Torn between 2 turbo's!

[shuluskyGST]

Ok, I have every supporting mod I need for a bigger turbo but as a lot of people, i'm having trouble deciding.

Big 16g Or Big T28 - Good price for both these turbo's. Both capable of 12's, which is my goal, but the turbo(s) has a little too fast spool and I have a FWD.

20g - Turbo is a bit pricey, but is definitely capable of big HP and 12's (or even 11's), and also gives a little bit of lag for some traction before it spools.

So the question is....

Spend alot of money for the 20g, or go for the cheap HP? Do you guys think that if I get a big t28, or the big16, that i'll just want a bigger turbo? Are there any other turbo's that you guys would suggest?

 

[peregrine]

the price difference between a big 16g and a 20g seems like alot but add it up after you buy the 16g, want more power, sell it for half the price you bought it for then end up buying the 20g anyway. just wasting money imo. get the 20g and be happy. good things are worth waiting for

 

[Nappy94]

Buy a 20G, too bad DSMotorsports sale just ended. You may want to look at the T3/T4 hybrid's they have. They will be stocking them very soon.

 

[slickster]

I just got my Big28 in along with a lightened flywheel and new act clutch.......im in love!!!!!!!!!!!! I havent had a 16g before but i can say that this turbo is all i was after...very pleased.
Good Luck Dude.
Slick

 

[candela]

You guys and your stupid ass excuse for traction...why choose a turbo for that? Do yu think that when 20g power comes on you wont spin cause youll be like 300rpm higher in the band??? Dont be dumb like the rest of these guys and induce lag "cause you have a fwd..." awww so sad! Get what will work for your goals, not a larger turbo because you think youll have traction problems. That is the lamest thing I hear from dsm'ers

 

[herostar]

I'd go with a 20g, it'll make your goals easier to achieve. on dsmtrader.com you can pick them up internally gated for around 850 bucks.

How well does your car run with a big greddy fmic and the T25?

 

[UndergroundR32]

Why dont you get a T-66, then you'll never have to worry about lag

 

[greyforestgst]

guy up there has never driven a fwd apparently.

dont get the bigt28 unless you have an auto. b16g or 20g; your choice.

 

[whatturbo]

I was having a similar problem when I bought mine. I wanted either a big16g or 20g. I did a lot of research and ended up in the middle...18g. There's a long post about 18gs at DSMtalk. Good luck.

 

[echo]

go for the 20g. you will regret getting the 16g later on and want to go bigger. so it will be a waste of money.

i wouldn't go for the 18g (not bringing down anyone who has one), but i have heard they aren't worth the money. they don't perform like they should. for a little bit more you could have a 20g. that's what i plan on doing.

 

[skier_du]

power without traction is useless. Get a Big 16G, or the Big 28 if you would like a little less lag, since they are almost the same compressor. Then take the money you saved from buying the more expensive 20G and external wastegate you will need with that turbo and increase your traction. Get some drag radials and an LSD, either Phantom Grip or give BM Tranny a call. Then with your Profec b you will be able to launch at low boost for traction and you won't be far from the GSX's.

 

[slickster]

I agree...good point
Slick

 

[umiami80]

T-28 would be a NIGHTMARE with a GS-T. You will be spinning all over the place. Plus I doubt it will have teh Topend of a 16G/20G although you will get instant boost in comparison.


Get a 20G, the lag will help with wheel spin and you want endless boost, get it you will be happier.

 

[62-1gsx]

I went with a 62-1 , and I am very happy with it

 

[candela]

guy up there has never driven a fwd apparently

Guy up there has absolutely no idea what hes talking about...

Im just saying guys, that it makes no sense to want to induce lag cause your FWD. if you want then do as skier_du says and get and LSD and some nice radials... why go with a huge turbo that wont be any fun and leave you with a crap power band. Im not saying that a 20g is crap by any means (though I do think a 18g and a 62-1 are ), but it just doesnt make sense to me. My friend has a turbo honda hatch that was making 270hwp (at low boost for the street), whic is much much lighter than our cars, yet he had a LSD good tires and adjusted his driving accordingly. Get a profec or a AVC and adjust as necessary. Dont be a retard like others and get the biggset turbo you can find cause "Im FWD and I cant get traction... "!

ANyhow to you shulsky-gst... I recommend the Big16g. Its a great turbo, used by many, proven by many (including myself) and loved by both FWD and AWD. Its not to fast spooling and you wont have trouble with it unless yo listen to these dufuss's. It will get you 12's if tuned correctly with the right supporting mods and good traction at the track. Even with crappy 2+ 6-ft's I could still manage 12's. Its a great turbo all around, and has a very nice mid-range torue band for the street.


Austin

 

[mlopez]

Get a 20g and call it a day. Don't waste your money on small turbos cause you'll eventually want more power. You're not gonna have traction no matter what turbo you choose.

 

[larryd]

I had a Big28 on FWD and it was really quick and very fun to drive but it did spin an awful lot. But dont let the get a bigger turbo it lags more so youll spin less thoughts get ya because thats BS as well. With my L2R I spun just as much if not more then I did with my Big28.

Personally if your goal is 12s I would just get the 20G. 12s on FWD is not easy with a 16G or T28 variant.

 

[skier_du]

Yeah, the reason its hard to get good times with a gst is because of traction. Address those issues with a well set up suspension, and, at the least, get some tires that hook and an LSD and it won't be so difficult. Going with a bigger turbo is silly if you want traction becasue you will make more (well, may make more, but) power and still spin when boost comes on.
Take care of your traction issues first. Then you will better be able to decide which turbo, based on your goals and your setup. Take your time and do it right. You won't be sorry.

 

[DCsGST]

Originally posted by umiami80
T-28 would be a NIGHTMARE with a GS-T. You will be spinning all over the place. Plus I doubt it will have teh Topend of a 16G/20G although you will get instant boost in comparison.


Get a 20G, the lag will help with wheel spin and you want endless boost, get it you will be happier.

Go with the BIG28 Killer. I just installed one one my GS-T and I love it! It's not a "NIGHTMARE" at all, if you know how to drive and put a LSD in you will have just as much fun. Are you gonna be doing a lot of drag racing or street driving? If it is street, get the killer, it has the same compressor as a big 16g and bolts up like stock.

It all comes down to what you want from the turbo. 20G guys are going to tell you to get the 20G, BIG28 and BIG 16G guys are going to tell you to get the 28 or 16. Either way 1st and 2nd are going to be worthless under full boost, it all depends on how soon you want to see the boost and wait for it.

Just get the killer and with the money you'll save get the B&M LSD insert and go kick some a$$

~DC

 

[1PHAT99]

Don't waste your money on anything less than a 20G. You'll just end up selling the 28 because a month after you had you'll get smoked on the road and want something bigger. Yeah, it may cost a little bit more but you'll thank yourself afterwards. Everyone chooses too small of a turbo there first time out. Don't be a statistic, . Good Luck!!

~B

 

[DCsGST]

It all depends on how much hp you want. I'm only looking for about 340 at the wheels, and that's plenty for my daily driver. I don't have the need for more than that so the killer is perfect for my needs.

 

[Ed98GST]

I agree -- how about a 2g 20g from slowboy? All turbo prices are about equal (28 variants, 2g 16g, and 2g 20g b/c no install kit needed). Like someone said above, it's all about what you want out of the car. I've come to realize that while I may not become a stoplight to stoplight monster, I can certainly have tons of fun up top with a 20g on the highway....especially if/when I go with an upgraded tranny mixed with all the suspension goodies.

 

[62-1gsx]

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I barely have any lag, no wheel spin problem thats worht trippin about,(but then again I have awd, but there is still some spin on the street) I love the 62-1, its well worht the money if you wanna put the money into the rest of your car to get its potential

 

[mlopez]

Originally posted by skier_du
Yeah, the reason its hard to get good times with a gst is because of traction. Address those issues with a well set up suspension, and, at the least, get some tires that hook and an LSD and it won't be so difficult. Going with a bigger turbo is silly if you want traction becasue you will make more (well, may make more, but) power and still spin when boost comes on.
Take care of your traction issues first. Then you will better be able to decide which turbo, based on your goals and your setup. Take your time and do it right. You won't be sorry.

No matter what suspension you have you're still gonna have traction issues even with an LSD. Trust me I know I have a Quaife. Get yourself an apexi-avcr boost controller and you can set your boost per gear.

 

[greyforestgst]

Originally posted by larryd
Personally if your goal is 12s I would just get the 20G. 12s on FWD is not easy with a 16G or T28 variant.

agreed, but a guy can always dream

as for traction - i can sling the tires up through first and second gear with ease on dry pavement. the b16g spools slower than the t25 for sure, but it still does it damn fast. it is gradual enough to feather it more easily, though.