Ball Bearing Turbo Help

[AdrenilineCrash]

hi!

i really dont want to be flamed for syaing anything in this thread so please cut the crap.

i have been looking at turbos over the last few months. i have a 7bolt motor (swapped, not by me). i am looking to make 525-575 hp.

i found out by common sense and reading that ball bearing turbos are better. now the question is which are gonna make that much hp? ive found many turbos that ARENT ball bearing but not many that make my "goal" hp.

thanks for any help!

-mike

 

[90AWDTalon]

Check out <a href="http://www.slowboyracing.com/GT_turbos.html">Slowboy Racing</a> and <a href="http://www.agpturbo.com/">AGP Turbo</a>

 

[larryd]

Is there a reason you want to make 525-575hp? Please dont take this as a flame but if you have to ask questions regarding what ball bearing turbo to make that much power then you arent ready for that much power. There are only a handful of DSMers that are actually making that much power and it takes a hell of alot more then just slapping on a big ass turbo.

 

[doug]

And if you're not AWD (and it appears that you are not), you'll be very hard pressed to get all, or even most, of that power to the ground controllably anyway.

 

[jltcat]

Forced Performance 3055-65 turbos will pull that. Just ordered one for A716MP's eclipse

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by jltcat
Forced Performance 3055-65 turbos will pull that. Just ordered one for A716MP's eclipse

Thats debateable

 

[AdrenilineCrash]

youre right im not ready now. i dont know that much. im still learing. but at least im willing to ask and face the proverbial "flame." that doesnt mean i like to be flamed. thanks to those who helped.

yes i know there are only a handful of DSMers making that much hp. but i will be one of them. it may take me awhile. and who knows, maybe ill even get another DSM that is AWD.

why wont this car (FWD) handle that much HP? i know AWD helps with the launch but is that the only reason? (if you havent figured it out, i want that much to race with). if RWD can handle that much and more why cant FWD? (yes, i know about weight transfer--> front to back).

thanks!

-mike

 

[greathuskie]

you dont even have a turbo car yet?

 

[candela]

yes i know there are only a handful of DSMers making that much hp. but i will be one of them. it may take me awhile. and who knows, maybe ill even get another DSM that is AWD.

I'd like to see that...

i found out by common sense and reading that ball bearing turbos are better

I disagree...

You have a NT dsm that you want to make 525-575 hp huh? There are a bunch of turbo's out there that have the capability to make that much power but you must realize that regardless of turbo size your car wont make crap for power unless your setup is insinc (sp?) with everything else. Your car has to have a lot mroe than the turbo to make that kind of power. If you ever do get even close to that goal number of yours be sure to post back on these forums and tell us how you did it...

 

[AdrenilineCrash]

dont worry candela i will. and why does nobody beleive that i can do it? sure it will be hard. sure ill have to put many hours oftuning. sure ill have to invest thousands of dollars but it is worth it to me. can anyone see that? everybody has a passion. if you dont you should get one, its great!

-mike

 

[DELTA_Rotary]

Originally posted by AdrenilineCrash
dont worry candela i will. and why does nobody beleive that i can do it? sure it will be hard. sure ill have to put many hours oftuning. sure ill have to invest thousands of dollars but it is worth it to me. can anyone see that? everybody has a passion. if you dont you should get one, its great!

-mike

Passion for a goal blinds some of us to reality...

 

[AdrenilineCrash]

Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary



Passion for a goal blinds some of us to reality...

what is that supposed to mean?

-mike

 

[twenty5psi]

hes saying that it might not be a realistic as you think it is and you cant see that because you have this "passion" for it anyways..but good luck to you anyways..

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Originally posted by candela

There are a bunch of turbo's out there that have the capability to make that much power but you must realize that regardless of turbo size your car wont make crap for power unless your setup is insinc (sp?)

insinc.... it's in sync. Or maybe you N'sync fairy boy..

 

[RapedApe]

listen to the guys who have been there, done that. i haven't been on this forum long enough to know who knows which end of the spark plug lights and who doesn't. nor do i know yet, who drives dsms or who builds dsms, but i'm sure it's not hard to figure out if you look at mod lists, times, and a persons most recent posts.

a passion is one thing. common sense is another. don't you think there are at least 5000 kids/young men across the country who have your same ambitions? and probably 500-1000 of them have the money to do it. of those 500-1000, less than 10 will probably ever hit 500hp and/or run 10's.

why? 1) they lack the experience. 2) they don't know anyone who knows anything about anything that doesn't have a pushrods. 3) they live to far from Buschur, Pruven, Extreme to take the easy way out. 4) as soon as they get the money to build a fast dsm, they buy a vette or bmw or whatever. 5) they had no idea what they were getting themselves into. 6) they'll blow it up on the first try and say "f#ck it, i'm buying a 260 hp mustang so my grandma can borrow it when she needs to."

feel free to ad to this list of why "Johnny from the block" in your town will never hit 500+ hp in his dsm.

 

[candela]

insinc.... it's in sync. Or maybe you N'sync fairy boy..

Whatever Mr. 80's buttrock

 

[DrZiplok]

Originally posted by RapedApe
feel free to ad to this list of why "Johnny from the block" in your town will never hit 500+ hp in his dsm.

Because making 500hp on 91 octane would violate the laws of physics.

 

[AdrenilineCrash]

duh! i know im gonna have to use race gas. its gonna be a RACE car. anymore help?

-mike

ps- i have seen posts on how much dsm people are a family.

 

[RapedApe]

i don't know what the hell your dsm family comment ment, but i hope you weren't rolling your eyes at ME. check the mod list pal. i'm one of the guys that have been there, done that. and i'm telling you to keep dreaming....a 525-575 hp fwd, get real. even if you do it, and i highly doubt it, you'll still run 12's. there's this thing called traction. there is a point where making more hp just costs money and doesn't get you any faster in a fwd. stick to 350-400 hp...it'll be plenty enough for you to try to steer thru.

 

[Dallas J]

On my FWD car I only made enough power to trap 98mph and that was a handfull to control the torque steer. At higher speeds that torque steer can be scary.

-Dallas J

 

[mike9146]

"Someday, I'm going to learn how to fly. Just because someone hasn't done it doesn't mean I can't. Sure, it will be hard, you just wait and see. Wait a minute, Peter Pan flew, right? Well, if Peter Pan can learn to fly, I can too...blah, blah, blah"

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by AdrenilineCrash
why wont this car (FWD) handle that much HP? i know AWD helps with the launch but is that the only reason? (if you havent figured it out, i want that much to race with). if RWD can handle that much and more why cant FWD? (yes, i know about weight transfer--> front to back).

thanks!

-mike

At just under 300whp I would spin my tires on my GST through 3rd gear. a 500whp FWD car would not be streetable unless you have a turbo that doesnt spool till 5000rpms just to keep you from spinning.

 

[Rez90]

you guys are funny
the whole peter pan thing was definately amusing
keep it coming, i need a good laugh at some point throughout my day

 

[Mo-Bo0st]

RapedApe, i love your old car. Where have i seen it before. I know i stumbled accross that car on another web site long before i even bought a DSM. Was that car or the red one the one that you were referring to when you said "been there done that"?

 

[RapedApe]

it's on TurboTrix's site. actually i've been there, done that with my silver 92 gsx, my current red 93 tsi awd, a 90 tsi fwd, a 90 tsi awd, a 93 gsx, a 94 gst, and a 97 gsx. no the rest weren't all mine, but friends cars in which i was there and greasy every step of the way.

the 94 gst has a big 16g, web cams, 3-angle valve job, .020 over 6-bolt with ross pistons 8.5:1 and eagle rods, s-afc, stock pump and injectors. due to the lack of fuel (which is due to the lack of $) boost is set at 10-12psi...and he can't even floor it there without heading for a street light or stray dog. this is why i say keep your fwd under 400hp and save the rest of your money for an awd.