Engine swap?

[Kyroskane]

Heyas i just picked up a 1994 Talon DL and im looking to see what i can drop under the hood JDM wise without big trouble. Currently its got the 1.8. I wanted to know if the 2.0 is a direct drop in and if the 2.0 turbo is. Any info would be great.


Thanx
-Max

 

[99GSBBTurbo]

I believe it is, the 4G63 should bolt up, BUT... That does not mean the wireing will, or the Trany Mounts might NOT bolt up. Also, I'm not sure about the exhaust if it exits the same way either. Before you do ANYTHING, I would consult with a Professional!! Like Road Race, or Mach V, or Ext. Motorsports... GOod Luck

 

[Kyroskane]

Anyone eles know?

 

[DrZiplok]

Nothing. Engine conversion work would cost you more than selling the car and buying a turbo to begin with. As a general recommendation, research first, buy second.

Don't mention "JDM" in connection with these cars, either; the DSM is a US model not sold in Japan(2) and there are no significant differences between the powerplants available here in the USA and those from overseas markets(1).


(1) The yellow-top/16G engines and the Cyclone intake do not constitute "significant" differences.

(2) VR4 Galant notwithstanding.

 

[eclipsed95]

I agree, just do the research. Anything's better than the 1.8 in the first gens.

 

[Kyroskane]

Well basically its like this. I bought it for 500 bucks with a broken timing belt and im wondering if the 2.0 Cyclone JDM engines will bolt up in place of the 1.8 and what i have to do wireing wise ect.



Thanx
-Max

 

[DrZiplok]

Sell it for $500 and put the money towards a turbo DSM.

Seriously.

If you have a $500 1.8 nonturbo, add in the cost of doing the conversion and you can buy a 2.0 turbo car in similar condition.

It would be cheaper to sell the 1.8 with a broken motor, buy a 2.0 turbo car with a broken motor, buy a used motor (do not buy a Cyclone motor) and swap it in.

In your case, I would look for an unbroken 1.8 motor, swap it in and try to recover your costs (or just drive it as a beater; the 1.8 is uninspiring but quite reliable).

 

[Kyroskane]

But ya see turbo isint the big factor. I just want to know if i can use the 2.0 Cyclone N/A and what it takes to bolt it in.

 

[rubbersidedown]

pleeeease just listen to everyone here. do not try and do a "JDM" swap. You can get the same indenitcal motor here in america for a lot cheaper. Or at least i haven't had any problems finding a cheap one around here. the whole "JDM" thing is a joke. its a waste of money and time. If you plan on drag racing the car then you'll end up throwing out the cyclone intake (providing you did by a "jdm" engine") because the cyclone intake is only meant to improve low end power and in effect robs you of what little top end you have. bleh...

 

[talon96tsi]

Is there a power difference bettween a cyclone turb and a dsm turbo?

 

[rubbersidedown]

no such thing as a "cyclone turbo". but if you're referring to the turbo engine as a whole... there is no difference. its possible to get a evo3 motor w/ slightly larger injectors and a 16g but that's nothing huge. other than that its the same engine w/ the same stock turbo (14b i believe?)

 

[ivanr4g63]

first off, do you want to make some seroius horse power...? if so, you don't need to go "JDM", the japan turbo engine has 10 to 20 difference in horses to the american one, and the japan engine it's alot more expensive, besides, it's just the intake manifold that make the difference "cyclone", here you can find engines for your swap:
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/4g63motorsearch.htm
But in my opinion I'll just look for a used 6 bolt complete engine and install it in... then if you have the time and money to do it you can go ahead and port the head, intake mildly, install new timing belt, and head gasket, after this you'll have a great power plant as good as new, and by less the cost, you can also try to get a 7 bolt engine, but probably you'll find it more expensive, you can always check dsmtrader.com, ebay.com, and other sites for used engines, like they say, "Do the research first, and then take your decision...!"

 

[ivanr4g63]

Oh i forgot, and there's alot of web sites out there related to 4G63 engine swaps with alot of technical information... Again, try to do some research...
hope this links help...
http://mirage.fateback.com/turbo/body_turbo.html
http://seekthelight.jcsmp3s.com/mirage/4G63T_Swap.htm
After checking this out, you'll probably get a better idea of what you want, and what you can do...!

 

[Kyroskane]

Anyone know if the non turbo jdm 2.0 bolts right up? Im not really looking for HP as much as just some fun.

 

[Race94]

well i know that the EVO III engine has 280bhp and a 16g so i guess it has more than 20-30 horses than the regular DSM engine.

 

[rubbersidedown]

won't you people stop talking jdm? the only reason the evo3 has more hp is cause of the 16g and larger injectors. even so, its not as easy to find one of those as you think. i don't even think there is sucha thing as a "jdm non-turbo" anyway. i don't know that for sure but i haven't heard of one before either.

 

[ivanr4g63]

Originally posted by rubbersidedown
won't you people stop talking jdm? the only reason the evo3 has more hp is cause of the 16g and larger injectors. even so, its not as easy to find one of those as you think. i don't even think there is sucha thing as a "jdm non-turbo" anyway. i don't know that for sure but i haven't heard of one before either.

Agreed...!

 

[Kyroskane]

Well i do know on ebay i can buy a non turbo Cyclone 2.0 so my question is what does it take for me to drop that in to my 1994 talon?

 

[rubbersidedown]

well if it comes w/ a cyclone intake mani and you plan to drag race then you'll need a stock USDM or an aftermarket intake mani to replace it. If you really want to buy this "jdm" motor then go ahead. In my opinion i think we should change the term from "JDM" to "WOM" when referring to DSMs.

(WOM = waste of money... or WOC = was of cash... or anything you feel)

 

[Race94]

well i refer to the EVO III motor because i know a guy who sells them here in Puerto Rico and has them in stock all the time.
sorry

 

[zac83]

thought some clarification is needed here...

everything in japan came with the 16g...
if you have problems seeing why the US is 'exactly the same im power numbers' then you obviously havent ridden in completely stock setups running the same boost with a US and a JDM motor.

The JDM intake makes alot better low RPM torque, and its high RPM torque is just as good minus 1% or 2 % flow (big whoop...)

Their trannys own ours... enough said

Their exaust manifold port (to the turbo flange) is 2 inches, ours is 1.75 roughly. heres where about 25 of the extra maximum wheel horses that they have stock comes from...

the 16g is obviously better than the 14...

if you get the 510 injectors... well thats self explanitory.

Im not very sure if the JDM ecu makes any difference, its probably just the same, (i know its an eprom unit tho...)

US o2 sensor is... gASP! better than the japanese one because its heated. other than that, i can find no real reason why a US motor 'owns' the JDM 4g63, can you?


NOW...
your normal JDM motors consist of:

Lancer motors: motor/tranny mounts 180 degrees from what 2.0 DSMs do. if youve got a drivers side tranny: its alot of work and you dont get to use the AWD not to mention its a nightmare worth of mounting problems and wiring problems. who knows how many variations of there are out there.

G-vr4 motors which are NORMAL 4g63s with 16gs and 450cc blues on them. Direct boltin to the 2.0 turbo DSM (use the US o2 sensor and US upper thermostat housing...) and it also bolts obviously right into the Galant vr4 over here too...

AND then theres the cream of the DSM crop: G-vr4 big 16g setup. 510 injectors and a factory port/clip job on a 16g turbo. obviously nice since they put out about 240-245 ponies (30 more than their US counterparts worth of MAX horsepower and their power curve OWNS the US one all the way though...) these numbers are at the same boost levels, the big 16g should hold 2-3 more PSI (for even MORE power...) without any problems and it will spool better and spoil later, any ?s...

now you ask yourself why buy a JDM motor? well i got a tranny/harness/ecu/turbo/manifold/motor for about a grand, im sure you could dig around and find an american motor for less than that, but with rougly 50 extra horses worth of stock potential and a curve that owns, how can you go wrong? did i mention my motor came with 30k and my JDM fifth gear with a USDM final drive gives me killer gas milage?

meh, any ?s i just hate everyone dogging these motors when they dont have any good info on them

ohh and dood, just buy a turbo car, it'll be cheaper.