FP-30 release.

[Intrusive97gsx]

All your questions about the FP-30 have been answered!

http://www.forcedperformance.net/dsm_turbo_fp30.htm

 

[DSMTurbos]

damn that looks nice... i can't wait to see one in person, wonder when that will be

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Intrusive97gsx
All your questions about the FP-30 have been answered!

http://www.forcedperformance.net/dsm_turbo_fp30.htm

those pics are actually quite old here are some better ones

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Anyway with that said, why would anyone choose that over a full Garrett GT30 setup? im just not understanding why would you buy another hybrid that's cloned from a full garret setup no matter how great his turbine housing flows? and you still have to get a custom 02 housing fabricated. The cost difference better be substantial to justify buying that turbo.

 

[LTUSPE]

schaaaawing!!!!
damn it........where's the woman!!!

 

[ZSPTurbo]

wow, I am seriously impressed.

I have 1 question, though.... on the site it seems like all they talk about is 30 psi this and that... how does the turbo work on lower boost? like 20 something. cause the turbo really impresses me, and I would rather go with a bolt on turbo than have to get all the new shiet with the t3/t4...

 

[2-0turbo]

The site goes on to say that this is the turbo that Dan Cokic was running on his SCC competition car. Check out the dyno--it is impressive, makes more power than a Red, but lags it by quite a bit. The slope on those dyno charts is very steep. The two turbos look quite close, but if you look at say, 52 MPH (I hate charts in MPH), the FP30 is giving up almost 150 HP to the red. Ouch! This is definitely a drag-only turbo. I think this thing would really suck for a street car. It is very pretty though! And I am impressed with the apparent quality of his casting.

 

[fusion_ta66]

Originally posted by 2-0turbo
Check out the dyno--it is impressive, makes more power than a Red, but lags it by quite a bit. The slope on those dyno charts is very steep. The two turbos look quite close, but if you look at say, 52 MPH (I hate charts in MPH), the FP30 is giving up almost 150 HP to the red

If you actually read what is printed under the dyno chart, and look at the chart itself, you'll see that they started the FP30 5mph higher than the Red. If they were started equally, the FP30 would best the Red almost everywhere along the curve.

Looks like FP is still the benchmark in which all other DSM turbos are judged.

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo
wow, I am seriously impressed.

I have 1 question, though.... on the site it seems like all they talk about is 30 psi this and that... how does the turbo work on lower boost? like 20 something. cause the turbo really impresses me, and I would rather go with a bolt on turbo than have to get all the new shiet with the t3/t4...

this is what ALOT of people are looking for including myself. This turbo is much like my L2R, the question though is on pump gas what can you make out of this turbo @ 20psi. I know what its capable of at 30psi and race gas but what about pump and 20psi.

 

[LTUSPE]

Originally posted by larryd


this is what ALOT of people are looking for including myself. This turbo is much like my L2R, the question though is on pump gas what can you make out of this turbo @ 20psi. I know what its capable of at 30psi and race gas but what about pump and 20psi.

Exactly!!!....show me some real world (my world=20psi w/ pump gas) numbers, and if they look good, sign me up.

 

[Karim]

I've also always wondered what turbo was the pump gas king?

Karim

 

[larryd]

pump gas king would be a T3/T4 50 trim stage 3 and .63AR.. or a Green.. they are pump gas kings..

 

[2-0turbo]

Originally posted by fusion_ta66


If you actually read what is printed under the dyno chart, and look at the chart itself, you'll see that they started the FP30 5mph higher than the Red. If they were started equally, the FP30 would best the Red almost everywhere along the curve.

Looks like FP is still the benchmark in which all other DSM turbos are judged.

Oh, I missed that at the bottom. I discounted the difference of 5-MPH on the X-scale--I figured it was different pulls overlayed. Some of my buddies did some dyno pulls this week (not me ) and every chart was different. Anyway, impressive turbo!

 

[mclaren55]

Originally posted by larryd
pump gas king would be a T3/T4 50 trim stage 3 and .63AR.. or a Green.. they are pump gas kings..

Pump gas kings relating to what area? Overall power, driveability, etc?

 

[Unreal]

I've seen 60-1s lay more power on pump gas. I bet a t61 or t66 could make even more. Are you saying all out power on pumpgas, or fastest times on pumpgas?

Strange thing is, I would say my l2r wasn't the best pumpgas turbo, but the l3r rocked on pumpgas. It loved it.

 

[ctnsupra1]

A guy out my way (Bethesda acutally) made 567 WHP at 15.4 psi on 93 octane pump gas on a T66. He has a fully built engine and all and is quite fast....

 

[racegate]

I think there are bigger turbos that will make more power than a 50trim on pumpgas, but no one has really tried yet. I would love to see someone try to wring out max HP out of a T61 or T66 on pumpgas. #### I'll bolt one on my car if someone donates the hardware.

 

[RocketBoy]

Originally posted by ctnsupra1
A guy out my way (Bethesda acutally) made 567 WHP at 15.4 psi on 93 octane pump gas on a T66. He has a fully built engine and all and is quite fast....

I'm going to have to call you out on this one and raise the BS flag. Do you have any charts, etc. to prove it? That number seems way above what anyone else has made with pump gas.

 

[ctnsupra1]

I'm pretty sure he had the work done over at Altered Atmosphere in Gaithersburg, MD. It was just put up for sale a little bit ago. I'll try and get a Dyno sheet and post it. And it was 537 HP, not 567, that was my mistake.

 

[UndergroundR32]

Originally posted by 2-0turbo
The site goes on to say that this is the turbo that Dan Cokic was running on his SCC competition car. Check out the dyno--it is impressive, makes more power than a Red, but lags it by quite a bit. The slope on those dyno charts is very steep. The two turbos look quite close, but if you look at say, 52 MPH (I hate charts in MPH), the FP30 is giving up almost 150 HP to the red. Ouch! This is definitely a drag-only turbo. I think this thing would really suck for a street car. It is very pretty though! And I am impressed with the apparent quality of his casting.

Dan just sold that car to a guy I know somewhat near me. I haven't seen it yet in person, but expect to see him come to the local car meet because a few people are not happy with him, including me, and we have some cars for him to run.

 

[<(-_-)>]

It all depends on what you want out of the "Pump gas king" I would choose my AGP T-28 as it just because there is NO turbo lag. But I am not saying it is king, because it all depends what you're looking for. If you can bear the lag, go with something bigger, if not, stay relatively small. IMO the best all around turbos are the 16g or the 20g, just my opinion though...

 

[larryd]

I guess I should have clarified in what I mean about pump gas king. I would say the 50trim is the best for its ability to make large power on lower boost levels with pump gas and still retain most of the cars factory driveability.

Nick.. I find it hard to believe that 60-1s have laid down more power on pump gas then the 50 trim as our resident 60-1 owner Dave (rdrkt) was trying very hard to get 11s out of the 60-1 last year on pump gas and has admitted to me several times that he would have been much better off on pump with te 50 trim.. Im not saying it hasn't been done but the 60-1 is a much larger wheel.

 

[mclaren55]

I got 12.2@118mph on pump gas with a horrible 2.0 60' back in November. She also put out 435whp on pump gas, so I must say I believe the 60-1 is right up there for pump gas king.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by mclaren55
I got 12.2@118mph on pump gas with a horrible 2.0 60' back in November. She also put out 435whp on pump gas, so I must say I believe the 60-1 is right up there for pump gas king.

Ian the problem is that the 50 trim would make VERY similar power but spool up several hundred RPM quicker which more than likely would result in better ETs. I also think I was making around 400 to the wheels I did a 12.1@117 and my wastegate fell off on the return road. I think I could have gotten another 2-4 MPH out of it but I also think I was nearing the limit of what I could do with a 1g MAS and SAFC. Had I put the Haltech on that setup who knows how much further I could have gone. What I really want to see is how my current setup will perform on pump gas (t3/t4 60-1, 4g64, 272s, Venom intake manifold) but I dont want to drag this any more off topic by speculating.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by ctnsupra1
A guy out my way (Bethesda acutally) made 537 WHP at 15.4 psi on 93 octane pump gas on a T66. He has a fully built engine and all and is quite fast....

I saw that car for sale on the DSMTrader. I nearly fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard. I would have to say to make that much power at that boost level you would need 10:1 or more CR and even then it would be next to impossible while being tuned by DSM gods. But even if it did make that type of power (I don’t think it did) it would still have a 1500rpm powerband. Area under the curve would be horrible with that setup. Not exactly the most street friendly setup.

 

[UndergroundR32]

Originally posted by rdrkt

What I really want to see is how my current setup will perform on pump gas (t3/t4 60-1, 4g64, 272s, Venom intake manifold) but I dont want to drag this any more off topic by speculating.

Oh give it a break Dave... jk it's the envy talking. I'm eager to see what that setup is going to do on pump gas. Mainly the killer torque and higher displacement of the 64. Keep us posted.