By The Book: 16G questions

[focusedrage]

- Before you ask:
1. Be sure you have your vehicle's mods listed in your Profile.
I belive I do.
2. Be sure you understand what supporting mods are needed for larger turbos - check the Tuning Guide linked at the top.
Not sure if 16G is considered large.


- How to ask:
1. List your budget for the turbo and the supporting mods.
1000
2. List your goals - 1/4 mile time, hp, and what the car will be used for (drag/road race).
Road Race
3. Ask about specific turbos.
16 G
4. Title your thread specifically about the turbo you have a question on. No "which turbo should I buy?" titled threads.
DUH


anyway hear it is, i saw that slow boy racing has a big 16g kit that offers 350 hp and the talk about it as a bolt on. well a bolt on with thier 200 dollar instalation kit. What ese might i need to support this turbo. intercooler? or will the stock one sufice untill i have enough money? and what aobut the cars feul system? to realie that 350 hp woudl i have to really o all out. what would i expect to see if i jsut switched the b16 for my stocker?

thanks for advice

 

[insane147]

ive seen them pull almost 300 whp on dynos. you may need injectors if you raise the boost. the stock smic will not be good for road racing, may actually be your biggest draw back. it will have alot more pull and much added top end ability.

 

[mike9146]

Spell check? The 350 HP that the turbo is capable of would be with *all* necessary supporting mods and race gas. You aren't going to see anywhere near that kind of HP without going to a FMIC, larger injectors, 3" exhaust, fuel control, larger fuel pump, etc. Sure, you can run it at low boost, but you'd be crazy not to do exhaust with it. It's a large enough turbo that it doesn't like restriction. If I had a 2G, I'd probably just go with the Big28 for simplicity's sake.

Mike C.

 

[focusedrage]

hmm... well i have a 3" cat back, i woudl deffinetly get a 3" dp i i went with this turbo.. and yes i really want a fmic.

what are the advantages o the big28? i am lookin or about 300 to 350 of streetable hp

thanks for the info

 

[danthman3]

the big t28 will bolt in and is relatively inexpensive (~850)
it has been said to be good to almost 400 hp (i would say more like 375)
the spoolup is comparable to a small 16g (which is good for road racing)
another plus for you would be that it is able to be used with the setup you have (i would get a fuel pump, and exentually some fuel control, safc works well) as long as you keep the boost down until you have upgraded

i think that would be a good choice for your goals/setup

 

[focusedrage]

awsome then there we go... i just woasnt sure what kind of power it was capable of. 375? nice but what shoudl i expect with my set up? and how much boost can i run on 93 with the feul system you spoke of.

thanks

 

[danthman3]

with a t28, a fuel pump, and an safc you should be able to run about 18psi on 93
you should def get an o2 and egt gauge to be sure but that fuel system should support 18 on an upgraded turbo
set ups like that with t28 and fmic etc have run 12's with little problem
hope that answered your questions

 

[candela]

Well dont go into getting this turbo thikning it will be easy to get even near 375hp... not saying its not capable of it, but it will require great tuning and LOTS of supporting mods to get that much power from it. To me that is 20g power not t28/16g power.... anyhow, take a look at Larry's dyno with his big28 and others. More like 280-300whp turbo. Good luck though,

AUstin

 

[RetardedAWD]

I run a ported big 16 with all mods listed in my "mod list" I run about 16-17 psi with stock smic with no problems.. pulls like a champ. The spool is good top end is good.. a set of cams and fmic could be 11's easy.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by danthman3
the big t28 will bolt in and is relatively inexpensive (~850)
it has been said to be good to almost 400 hp (i would say more like 375)

Who has done that?

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by RetardedAWD
I run a ported big 16 with all mods listed in my "mod list" I run about 16-17 psi with stock smic with no problems.. pulls like a champ. The spool is good top end is good.. a set of cams and fmic could be 11's easy.

Easily huh? Boy are you in for a shock when you make it to the track. Keep us updated champ

 

[RetardedAWD]

Originally posted by rdrkt

Easily huh? Boy are you in for a shock when you make it to the track. Keep us updated champ

Thanks I sure feel like a champ!!
I know what 11's are there Captian, er uh.. sport, uh..Pal.. dont talk to me like Im some 16 year brat with no experience. I know its a little turb for 11's but driver has 99% of what the car can really put out.
I run mid 12's in my friends car NOTHING changed(I dont drive the car EVER) the best he can manage is 13.3's.. give me a break... 11's are fast especially for a 16g Im not saying 11.0's Im saying 11.99's@115 or so with a 1.5 60.
Again this is my street car not my track car. I run dead even with cars trapping 113-115mph right now at 17psi.
Let me rephrase... 11's with some driving..

 

[rdrkt]

A 16g wont make 113+ trap power at 17 psi plain and simple. Especially on a 3rd gear roll type of race. For you to say its “easy” is just hilarious to me. If it was easy a ton more people would be doing it. 6 tenths is a huge margin. When you get to the track and start trying it out yourself you will see what I mean.

 

[RetardedAWD]

I did say "let me rephrase" "with some driving".. high 11 are not out of the question with more boost, fmic, some mild tuning and some c116.

 

[candela]

I doubt that with cams and a FMIC and some "mild tuning" and good driving you will get any 11 sec. timeslip. I dont think anyone is dogging on you or anythign cause they havent done it, but I think to get that close to the 16g record (11.8 or so) you will at leist need suspension, good tires, excellent tuning, excellent driving skills, head work and more than some ic piping and a turbo back exhaust and mbc....

 

[Ludachris]

Originally posted by RetardedAWD
I did say "let me rephrase" "with some driving".. high 11 are not out of the question with more boost, fmic, some mild tuning and some c116.

Hey, all rdrkt is saying is that for many, it won't be "easy" to achieve 11's on a 16G. It may be easy for you, but there are a lot of other factors that must fall into place to run those times. Possible yes, easy, no.

 

[Ludachris]

focusedrage, have you checked the top of this page? There's a good deal on a T28 Killer that you may be interested in. Big 16g's are great for 1G cars since they bolt right up. 2G's on the other hand are better off going with a T28 for the cost savings and bolt on capability - no install kit needed. The power gains are arguably similar. Either way, you'll probably need a FMIC and a bunch of other supporting mods to reach the power goals you've set.

By the way, you said you have the supporting mods in place, but your profile mentions only 3 mods - hopefully you're not thinking that an intake, plugs and wires are the necessary supporting mods needed... or maybe you just need to go back in and complete that field with ALL of your mods.

 

[RetardedAWD]

Im pretty positive that with a good launch I could snag a high 11.. there are a few other things not mentioned in my profile.. I touched up the head removing casting marks and I put a slight blend from seat to bowl. A set of cams would help the mph a bit.. Im not trying to break any records but I do think 11.99, 12.0's are attainable with a 16g.
$hit Ive seen 12.0s with a 110-111 mph traps with FWD and a clutch-type lsd (1.70 60).
I know with a good 60ft it can be had.. $hit most guys are afraid to launch on their cars because they dont want to break either that or they are not a very good driver... If I have to prove a point Ill launch it hard, fuggit if it breaks it breaks..

 

[RetardedAWD]

I doubt that with cams and a FMIC and some "mild tuning" and good driving you will get any 11 sec. timeslip. I dont think anyone is dogging on you or anythign cause they havent done it, but I think to get that close to the 16g record (11.8 or so) you will at leist need suspension, good tires, excellent tuning, excellent driving skills, head work and more than some ic piping and a turbo back exhaust and mbc....
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I think its funny that guys on 14b's push mid 12's with minimal mods but there isnt anyway I could squeak out a 11.99 with with a slightly bigger turbo and some tunning.


Its all good Ill say you are right until I prove otherwise

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by RetardedAWD
I think its funny that guys on 14b's push mid 12's with minimal mods but there isnt anyway I could squeak out a 11.99 with with a slightly bigger turbo and some tunning.

Its all good Ill say you are right until I prove otherwise

] There might be a handful of guys out there running low 12s on a 14b. Most of them a VERY light with FANTASTIC tuning and really great driving. Not really minimal mods. I look forward to you proving us wrong but by the time you actually you do reach your goals I think you will be a little more realistic about what it actually takes.

 

[Blitz]

Originally posted by candela
I doubt that with cams and a FMIC and some "mild tuning" and good driving you will get any 11 sec. timeslip. I dont think anyone is dogging on you or anythign cause they havent done it, but I think to get that close to the 16g record (11.8 or so) you will at leist need suspension, good tires, excellent tuning, excellent driving skills, head work and more than some ic piping and a turbo back exhaust and mbc....

By the way the 16G record is [email protected] with a small clipped 16G.

60' 1.606
1/8 [email protected]
1/4 [email protected]
Driver - Chris Tichy
Car - 92 Talon Tsi
Track - Etown, NJ
Date - 11/22/98

 

[Ludachris]

Originally posted by RetardedAWD
Its all good Ill say you are right until I prove otherwise

I didn't see anyone say that you couldn't run an 11 on a 16g. The only thing anyone ever contested is that it's easy for everyone to do so. We're just trying to make sure that everyone who reads this thread doesn't think they can just go out and buy a 16g and run 11's, "easily".

 

[danthman3]

you guys need to keep in mind what (focusedrage)this guy sed
he wants to road race (quick spoolup)
and make around 300-350 hp (20g not necessary)
(plus he doesn't have the mods to support that turbo)

to defend my post, all i sed is theoretically the turbo can flow enough air for 375 (so im told on the Mach V chart and other places)

*btw all u nonbelievers of small turbos check out the boosted performance car which ran a 12.08 on the 14b 1g mas and stock injectors

i really don't like to see big turbo guys becoming like v8 heads there is a replacement for displacement and there is a replacement for a big turbo

 

[RetardedAWD]

Originally posted by Ludachris

I didn't see anyone say that you couldn't run an 11 on a 16g. The only thing anyone ever contested is that it's easy for everyone to do so. We're just trying to make sure that everyone who reads this thread doesn't think they can just go out and buy a 16g and run 11's, "easily".

Dude check it out.. I rephrased what I said.. see sometimes I talk to you guys and people on other boards like I talk to my friends.. easily for me might not be easy for you.. that simple. I know you cannot just bolt and go.. I dont think others here would think that either.. Im just saying "easily" to me is a awd 2g going 11s on a ported big 16g. Something that is not easy for me is getting my Honda to do 9's@150+ still street legal with inspection and legal plates.. so everyone has their idea of what is difficult and what is not..
its simple!

 

[focusedrage]

I updated my mod list... there are good chances that after Christmas i will have a gredy type s and ic piping kit. im glad that a few people remebered that i was a road race person. I mean i know what 11's mean but its not that helpful, but thanks anyway. i am deffinaly ookeing for quick spool, but i dont think i could afford a ball being turbo. well wadaya gonna do. so to suport a t28 (just as a starting point) i woudl want to add a
--down pipe,
--o2 housing,
--fmic (the only one that i really want is the giant greddy one, plus it fits with the pipes)
--new feulpump and wires
--feul controler? (i realy want the aem one, is dsm link good? or will the apexi one do what i need)


this is all really helpful thanks agian