help me out with this fmic, t-25 question

[empie1]

can some one please give me the exact dimensions of the u pipe necesary to connect the t-25 to my fmic? thanks

 

[daren_p]

A little more info would be very helpful, such as what FMIC kit you are running or what style of pipe routing it is/where the pipeing ends. Its hard to answer a question when you have no idea what setup the person is running.

 

[empie1]

i have a t-25 turbo and a xs power fmic with short piping...i know i need a upipe but what are the exact dimensions?

 

[madman]

i have a t-25 turbo and a xs power fmic with short piping...i know i need a upipe but what are the exact dimensions?

Normally if you have a fmic with short piping, it includes all the piping you need.

What is upipe.... you mean the pipe off the trottle body? The upper intercooler pipe with BOV on it?

Your first question was to fit the T-25 to the fmic..... if it's like my xs power fmic then the endtanks face opposite sides (one faces passenger side one faces driver side) I would say cut off the elbow off the t-25 because it's now facing the wrong direction and replace it with a silicone elbow or weld the origional elbow back on facing the driver side.

The t-25 is only 2" diameter and your fmic is probably 3" so you could go 2.5" piping with reducer couplers 2" - 2.5" and 2.5" - 3" and that would hook up the t-25 to the fmic. This would probably be the best if you are thinking about upgrading the turbo anytime soon, but may be to big for the t-25. the t-25 may no be able to push enough air for that large piping so you might use 2" instead so you don't loose a lot of pressure. Anyone else have a thought on this?

Your throttle body is at the largest opeing 2 3/8". Roadraceengineering.com sells a TB elbo that is 2 3/8 and would work nice. Then do 2.5" piping from the elbow to the fmic.

If you are asking for the length the pipe should be, your best bet is to tear everything down and start to fit the piping and the cut to length as neseccary.

Everyone's lengths may very due to the turbo, routing direction, angles, how many bends, ect......

 

[empie1]

id rather not cut the turbo, i am aware that the opening is at the oposite end, i was searching and found taht some one used a u shaped pipe in order to connect it to the t-25 as an alternitve to cuting it...

 

[Fayt]

Then use a U shaped pipe to connect it, or use couplers to reduce the piping down. I'd upgrade to AT LEAST a 14b, 16g, or evo 3g before using the FMIC. Just because your T25 won't see any benefit. It might actually be harmful because it can't move that much air.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

The stock T-25 is barely powerful enough to heat soak the stock SMIC. You will be hurting your turbos performance making it run faster and work harder which translates to more heat. The T-25 will spin a lot faster then normal to keep even stock 12 psi in your new FMIC setup. After that point, you will be just blow hot air from the T-25 to your throttlebody and that will lead it to its grave and a early death of the turbo.

I would upgrade to a 14B at least which you can get for very cheap. Then you will benefit from the FMIC.

 

[bastarddsm]

2G guys are funny. Both of you who told him to get a bigger turbo, should goplay in traffic becuase you honestly don't know what your talking about. A frontmount will probably be more beneficial for a t25 than anything you guys listed, AND he didn't ask for a turbo recemendation anyway.

original poster~ go to the hargware store and get a chunk of some very stiff wire, then take this and bend it into the shape you need for you pipe. take this to an exhaust shop and have them bend you one out of some 2-2.25" pipe.

 

[empie1]

2G guys are funny. Both of you who told him to get a bigger turbo, should goplay in traffic becuase you honestly don't know what your talking about. A frontmount will probably be more beneficial for a t25 than anything you guys listed, AND he didn't ask for a turbo recemendation anyway.

original poster~ go to the hargware store and get a chunk of some very stiff wire, then take this and bend it into the shape you need for you pipe. take this to an exhaust shop and have them bend you one out of some 2-2.25" pipe.

thank you! that is all i was asking...i know that the t25 doesnt need a fmic, but my stock side mount has a hole torn in the bottom of it so i am positive that a fmic will make the t25 perform better then a torn sidemount! as for a bigger turbo, i just dropped 2000 on the engine/exhaust/fmic so its out of the question for now...besides, i wanted to do fuel and other upgrades BEFORE i put in a big turbo so i dont run around with fuel cut and other problems like a lot of the other aholes on this site! i like to do things correctly the first time, so everything works the way it should....thanks again

 

[Nonrml4]

thank you! that is all i was asking...i know that the t25 doesnt need a fmic, but my stock side mount has a hole torn in the bottom of it so i am positive that a fmic will make the t25 perform better then a torn sidemount! as for a bigger turbo, i just dropped 2000 on the engine/exhaust/fmic so its out of the question for now...besides, i wanted to do fuel and other upgrades BEFORE i put in a big turbo so i dont run around with fuel cut and other problems like a lot of the other aholes on this site! i like to do things correctly the first time, so everything works the way it should....thanks again

You should have read more and gotten a different turbo before buying some of the things that you did. You can safely run a 16g/Big T28 on a stock fuel system car by keeping the boost down. The intercooler is going to destroy your turbo and budget faster than if you had gotten a different turbo and done it right the first time. Everything is not going to be working correctly as you will be destroying the turbo by having it try to maintain the same pressure in the intercooler. The other option is finding a stock intercooler at a junkyard and installing that, you will be better off in the end. Not trying to be a a$$, just trying to help you out.

 

[exile]

I think the answer to his original question is: "Buy a J-Pipe" ???

 

[ericbev]

To suggest that adding that FMIC will raise intake charge temps is madness. Also, the minor differences in static pressure drop between the two cores will not cause the T25 to work hard enough to cause it to prematurely fail based on that fact alone.

Many people including myself have dont exactly what you are going to do with no ill effects to performance or the turbo itself.

Build yourself the pipe you need and good luck with the rest of your upgrading.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

If you follow the DSMTUNERS upgrade guide (Which is a really good guide), you don't even need to do your FMIC unless your startingto make over 275HP. The stock SMIC can handle anything the T-25 throws at it (Unless your boosting like 18 psi).

Basdarddsm, get your facts straight as well. Here is MORE proof that strapping on a larger intercooler isn't necessary benefical. It can hurt performance as well.

http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intecoolersMR.htm

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Exactly. Your best bet would have been to just replace the sidemount with a used one and spend your money elsewhere but that's neither here nor there. It doesn't matter whether he was asking about a new turbo or not. That was the best advice given.

 

[eclipsegsx1736]

Saying that you can't heatsoak the stock SMIC with the T25 is simply NOT true. I know most of you guys only care about straight line, but even running my T25 at 13 psi on a road course got it VERY hot. The power started to fall off about 10 minutes into my run at the track session due to the horrible heatsoaking.

 

[cb3016]

thank you! that is all i was asking...i know that the t25 doesnt need a fmic, but my stock side mount has a hole torn in the bottom of it so i am positive that a fmic will make the t25 perform better then a torn sidemount! as for a bigger turbo, i just dropped 2000 on the engine/exhaust/fmic so its out of the question for now...besides, i wanted to do fuel and other upgrades BEFORE i put in a big turbo so i dont run around with fuel cut and other problems like a lot of the other aholes on this site! i like to do things correctly the first time, so everything works the way it should....thanks again

HAHAHA i find it very funny that you people are annoyed that someone is being considerate enough to tell you what others learned the hard way, your going to kill that T-25. anyone could have told you to get a U bend, infact you sound like you already knew to get a u bend if you don't want to cut the turbo, so i'm confused as to why this thread was started. As for being a baller and dropping 2000 on engine, exhaust and the fmic, would you rather protect that investment? Or risk running the t-25 and messing the turbo, engine, and sensors. Look foreward to seeing you in the problem diognosis section of dsmtuners with me and my boost happy self.

 

[Turbocharged]

Those other posts were real helpful... Dejon offers a nice option:

http://dsm.dejonpowerhouse.com/edit/2-03_T25-Pipe.jpg

This is the best option as a u-pipe will result in added restriction and pressure drop.

 

[empie1]

HAHAHA i find it very funny that you people are annoyed that someone is being considerate enough to tell you what others learned the hard way, your going to kill that T-25. anyone could have told you to get a U bend, infact you sound like you already knew to get a u bend if you don't want to cut the turbo, so i'm confused as to why this thread was started. As for being a baller and dropping 2000 on engine, exhaust and the fmic, would you rather protect that investment? Or risk running the t-25 and messing the turbo, engine, and sensors. Look foreward to seeing you in the problem diognosis section of dsmtuners with me and my boost happy self.

people like you annoy the shit out of me.......as for being a "baller" and spending 2000, most of that was for maintence things (timingbelt, lifters, headgasket ect...)....if your stupid ass could read, you could see that...i asked what the dimensions where because i read it was an alternative to cutting the t25.....i happen to know a couple of people that ran fmics on there t25s for a long time and never had any problems, im sure lots of people have burned out their turbos, but mine is in mint condition with absolutly no shaft play (i believe the previous owner replaced it very recently) therefore i figured i could go a month or two before upgrading...obviously i have full intentions of upgrading the turbo and i will do so sometime in the near future...i just wanted to get the timing belt,waterpump, headgasket, lifters, cams, valve springs done first, then i was planning on doing my fuel system then the turbo...i know i could of bought a new sidemount, but that is an even bigger waste of money because i would eventually end up getting one anyway....i am trying to upgrade stock parts as i need or when it is relavent (like replacing cams when i do the headgasket)so there is no backpeddling.....i dont understand why my route of modding doesnt make sense to you (im just trying to buy things as i need to replace them), but then again you dont seem like that intelligent of a person, after all, who wouldnt like to drop a couple of grand on their car if they could afford to? i worked hard to buy the stuff just like anyone else so dont get mad at me because your broke

 

[GSntncT]

people like you annoy the shit out of me.......as for being a "baller" and spending 2000, most of that was for maintence things (timingbelt, lifters, headgasket ect...)....if your stupid ass could read, you could see that...i asked what the dimensions where because i read it was an alternative to cutting the t25.....i happen to know a couple of people that ran fmics on there t25s for a long time and never had any problems, im sure lots of people have burned out their turbos, but mine is in mint condition with absolutly no shaft play (i believe the previous owner replaced it very recently) therefore i figured i could go a month or two before upgrading...obviously i have full intentions of upgrading the turbo and i will do so sometime in the near future...i just wanted to get the timing belt,waterpump, headgasket, lifters, cams, valve springs done first, then i was planning on doing my fuel system then the turbo...i know i could of bought a new sidemount, but that is an even bigger waste of money because i would eventually end up getting one anyway....i am trying to upgrade stock parts as i need or when it is relavent (like replacing cams when i do the headgasket)so there is no backpeddling.....i dont understand why my route of modding doesnt make sense to you (im just trying to buy things as i need to replace them), but then again you dont seem like that intelligent of a person, after all, who wouldnt like to drop a couple of grand on their car if they could afford to? i worked hard to buy the stuff just like anyone else so dont get mad at me because your broke

I don't know why this turned from a thread asking for help, to a child-like rampaging session. Not only the post I quoted, but a post I read earlier. Knock it off. If people have nothing better to do here than to bash and wish bad luck on others, I'm very sure there is another website you can join. Don't bring that nonsense here.

In any event, you went to a FMIC early imo but it's already done. I must say that I'm surprised that you didn't get all the piping from wheverever you bought the FMIC from. Perhaps contact the shop you got the FMIC and have them ship you one? Or make one yourself if you feel comfortable enough to do so.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

Yeah I think the rampage and bashing is just childish. Why don't you make your own piping, thats what I did. Got some UJ bends measured and cut to fit. The FMIC is going to be more of a show off thing at this moment then a performance adder.


And for the Autocross guy, not many people run there cars hard for over 10 minutes. SMIC is more then enough for your typical WOT here and there for the T-25. I don't think this guy is going to autocross his car.

 

[empie1]

i wasnt trying to turn anything into "child like rampage session"....but it seems you cant ever ask a question with out someone turning into a dick and insulting you....all i did was politely ask a question and i thanked everyone who helped me...then cb3016 turned into something else...this is why i dont post to many questions on this forum because there is a lot of bored teenagers on here

 

[ZmanIV]

people like you annoy the shit out of me.......as for being a "baller" and spending 2000, most of that was for maintence things (timingbelt, lifters, headgasket ect...)....if your stupid ass could read, you could see that...i asked what the dimensions where because i read it was an alternative to cutting the t25.....i happen to know a couple of people that ran fmics on there t25s for a long time and never had any problems, im sure lots of people have burned out their turbos, but mine is in mint condition with absolutly no shaft play (i believe the previous owner replaced it very recently) therefore i figured i could go a month or two before upgrading...obviously i have full intentions of upgrading the turbo and i will do so sometime in the near future...i just wanted to get the timing belt,waterpump, headgasket, lifters, cams, valve springs done first, then i was planning on doing my fuel system then the turbo...i know i could of bought a new sidemount, but that is an even bigger waste of money because i would eventually end up getting one anyway....i am trying to upgrade stock parts as i need or when it is relavent (like replacing cams when i do the headgasket)so there is no backpeddling.....i dont understand why my route of modding doesnt make sense to you (im just trying to buy things as i need to replace them), but then again you dont seem like that intelligent of a person, after all, who wouldnt like to drop a couple of grand on their car if they could afford to? i worked hard to buy the stuff just like anyone else so dont get mad at me because your broke

Your going to get banned if you continue to keep this tone up.

You should also take a look here and review the site rules http://www.dsmtuners.com/welcome.php

 

[LandoAWD]

Warning handed out. Cut the shit...NOW.

 

[cb3016]

people here just want to help, everyone looks at every angle, the good, bad and otherwise. people should be happy that others are looking out for their cars. My bad for my little rampage, but come on man take the good with the bad, consider what people here say, if they say there is a better way to do it you should consider it before just saying your questions not being addressed.

 

[empie1]

people here just want to help, everyone looks at every angle, the good, bad and otherwise. people should be happy that others are looking out for their cars. My bad for my little rampage, but come on man take the good with the bad, consider what people here say, if they say there is a better way to do it you should consider it before just saying your questions not being addressed.

fair enough...in response to my "warning" what exactly did i say that violated any of those rules? NOTHING....i gave attitude because i recieved it...there were no insults being thrown, nor did i violate ANY of the rules....my previous post explained what my thought was on the parts i had bought...so everyone RELAX