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[98talonAWD]

hey all what's goin on.... hope you aren't going through what i am. today was the first time i took my car out in about a month. i was driving around and i hit the gas..... and she went! i let off the gas and i look behind me and i see a lot of blue smoke. My car was doing this for a while, but i took the car to an engine shop and they rebuilt my head( bent all 16 valves when the timing belt blew. GOD DAMN interfiernce motors!!!!!!) so they totally rebuilt it... new cams,new valve seals, new valve guides, and all new valves! i have only put around 700 miles on the car since the rebuild... but 600 of those were breaking in my new ACT 2600. i thought maybe the turbo blew or the shaft cracked. i barely made it home, but i took the intake pipe off the turbo and tried to move the compressor fins ( nothing at all ) so i took the car out again... this time for a seriosu run. floored it and ran throught the gears..... fast as hell... so that rules out the turbo. but now i am still blowing smoke... like a lot. and there is a weird sound coming from cyclinder 4...like a constant tapping noise. i am gonna do a compression test today, i'll keep you updated. does anyone know what it could be? and what i should do about it.... like take it back to the engine shop??

thanks guys


TIM

 

[crashed97tsi]

blue smoke is oil i think, so your burning it somewhere. Did you get the headwork done by a respectable machine shop?

I really have no idea man, this is a little out of my league.

sorry

 

[98talonAWD]

NEW NEWS!!!!! today around 4:00 i was driving my car to warm it up to do a compression test. when it was cold these were the numbers.
#1...... 128psi
#2......74psi
#3......72psi
#4......122psi

NOW- i know that isn't good... but what does it really mean... my rings are shot??? but anyway... i was driving it around to get it warm and the car all of a sudden made a smacking sound and a little after the engine seemed to seize up! i can't start the car or nothing. crankwalk maybe??? does anybody know what it could be???????? i really need some help!!! hopefully one of you guys might know something.

thanks
TIM
broke ASS DSM!

 

[ILOSE]

Well it's pretty hard to tell waht the problem could be without some more info.

I would pull the plugs and see if maybe something fell off in the cylinders.

I would also check the timing, it may be off.

 

[crashed97tsi]

when you do the compression test, i think your supposed to put a little oil in the cylinder to se if it makes the compression go up. If it does, its your rings. If it doesn't its your valve seals. I think i read it on vfaq

 

[DrZiplok]

With 75psi on 2 and 3, you should not have been driving it.

In fact, with that much *smoke* you should not have been driving it. What was originally a fairly inexpensive problem is now probably major internal engine damage.

You'll want to look at the engine to know what's wrong, but I'd guess that you've done at least one of:

- Skipped teeth on the timing belt (bent/broken valves, holed pistons, etc)
- Broken a ring land
- Broken a rod

So, learn something from the experience: when your car starts making funny noises, STOP DRIVING IT.

 

[2gTurboS]

Yeah I almost learned the "when car is making wierd sounds DON'T DRIVE IT" the hard way, but luckily I figured out that my crank pulley seperated and was smacking my T.belt cover..new pulley and a little while later no noise and back to boosting, as for your problem, that sucks and I am assuming your engine is most likely fugged, but that just means you can upgrade internals while you are in there, good luck.

 

[all2muchfun]

What if the rings didn't seat. Would that be the problem? I know after you get your engine rebuilt you are not supposed to use silicon so your rings can re-seat. This might not be it though.

 

[98talonAWD]

when i was driving the car i thought that the smoke was from maybe the valves seals or something... youre right though i should not have driving the car! and it is kinda my fault. but when i had the company rebuild my head and i put 600 miles on it and nothing went wrong i thought it was cool! can the company be faulted for any of this???? if my engine internals are toast( which i think they are ) shouldn't i buy a 1st gen block( 6bolt ) rather than 2nd gen( 7bolt )???? they are exactly the same and i can bolt my 2g head on it without any problems!

thanks

TIM

 

[crashed97tsi]

depends what is wrong. If your tbelt jumped a tooth and the place installed it, you could try and say they didn't install it properly. If they didn't machine something properly then they definetly are responsible.

Only problem is that might not be the case anymore. If the engine is seized then you have bigger problems than that. Does the engine crank at all when you turn the key, or is it completely seized?

good luck man

 

[onegee]

sorry to hear that bro.....hope its not a big problem...latez

 

[98talonAWD]

I haven't looked at the engine yet to see if anything is wrong, i am thinking that i am not going to be able to see anything anyway! but maybe. today i think i am gonna go look at the car( it's not at my house.. it's on the side of the road about 5 miles away ) DAMNIT. haven't really run into these problems before so i have no idea what is wrong...
CRASHED97TSI- the car does crack over!! which is a good sign... but it won't start. the weird thing is that it just shut off when i was driving it! I am beginning to think that the piston rings might be gone. because it would still crank over, but not start due to no compression! anyway thanks for the replys all!! has anybody ever heard of these types of problems and what was the outcome?

THANKS


TIM

 

[GalantVR41062]

600 miles for a 2600??? I would drive it for 80 or 100 and then beet on it but thats my opininon. and on the motor you are going to want to check batery, alternator, fuel, sparkplugs, coil, compression w/o and with a tea spoon of oil(will help seal rings if that is the problem) and if you have the means to do so a leak down test, and check timing, oil level, if the filter is tight. Ither the rings are shot(but it does no sound like they were blown when the head was redon) and sence the 2 and 3 cylenders are the problem I would not rule out blown head gasket, no to tell if that is the problem I would make sure the valves are closed on the cylender your on and presurize the cylender with compressed air(90-100psi) then listen/feel for air leaking out of places, exaust(exaust valves bad) intake manifold(intake valves bad) out the dipstick/oil cap(hole in piston/s, or rings are shot, gouged cylender walls) radiator (blown head gasket, cracked block, cracked cylender head, which with bent valves is always a possability did the shop pressure test the head to see if it did crack or not?) and then if there is colent in the oil that is never good. Good Luck

 

[krott5333]

if your gonna check the compression with oil, dont use a thin synthetic.

 

[GoSpeedRacerGo]

I had the seals done recently and they said there may be some smoke while it was setting...seemed like BS to me, but 20 miles after i got it the little bit of smoke outta the engien bay went away...Take it back to the shop if it is reputable and they should diagnose it for free.


Good Luck

 

[98talonAWD]

the shop is doing a free estimate to see what is wrong with it... and if they did something wrong they will fix it! but if not then i am gonna have to pay for it!

TIM

 

[AWDGSXownsU]

i would be careful about beating on your car in that condition. i did and it shot out the piston rings out of my number 3 cylinder and boy did it chew up the turbo. seals were gone there was more shaft play than me or any of my friends have seen and it was completely destroyed. 6 months later. new built 6 bolt and L2r turbo (which might still be for sale) dont know if im going to go ahead and keep the turbo or sell it and go bigger now that my project is almost done.

Manny
92 GSX

 

[Benwah93awd]

So what's the verdict???

 

[hypnos]

Alright so you said you had a shope rebuild all your stuff...i just ran into a similar problem...i was stopped for a stop sign..touched the gas and my 95 tsi died so i have it towed to a shop and wut i would think would be something inexpensives turns out to be them telling me...my harmonic balancer got chewed u which broke my timing belt and messed up all the lower part of the engine...i have no clue what to do..it only had 70,00 miles on it, i paid 5500 for the car is it worth it to have the engine rebuilt or get a new one? or get a new car?

 

[larryd]

whats the deal, im curious to here what happened.

 

[DrZiplok]

Originally posted by hypnos
Alright so you said you had a shope rebuild all your stuff...i just ran into a similar problem...i was stopped for a stop sign..touched the gas and my 95 tsi died so i have it towed to a shop and wut i would think would be something inexpensives turns out to be them telling me...my harmonic balancer got chewed u which broke my timing belt and messed up all the lower part of the engine...i have no clue what to do..it only had 70,00 miles on it, i paid 5500 for the car is it worth it to have the engine rebuilt or get a new one? or get a new car?

That doesn't make sense.

If the timing belt went, it would mess up the upper half of your engine; head/valves/pistons, not the lower half.

Either you made a mistake here, or the shop is trying to rip you off.

If you like the rest of the car, having it rebuilt will be the way to go. Unless you love the shop, consider getting a long block from one of the vendors here and just have the shop install it. No matter what the shop tells you, it will be cheaper to have it built by a pro.

 

[Bino]

Did anybody notice that he said when he bent all sixteen valves that they didn't touch the lower part of the engine (completely rebuilt the head)? Said nothing about having the pistons replaced, or putting new rings and bearings in it, etc. Seems very likely that the valves could have chipped and got into the rings and #2 and #3 and completely screwed them up, probably gouging the cylinders as well.

I hope maybe I misread something here, because the thought of bending the valves on the aluminum pistons... and not replacing the pistons.... bother anybody else?

Rebuild the rest of your engine and get back to us.

 

[hypnos]

Originally posted by DrZiplok
Unless you love the shop, consider getting a long block from one of the vendors here and just have the shop install it. No matter what the shop tells you, it will be cheaper to have it built by a pro.

What vendors? How much will it be?

 

[my95tsi]

how many miles did your car have on it when the belt broke??

 

[KenTSIII]

Sounds to me like the Tbelt skipped & valves impacted pistons again. Alot of shops have no clue how to work on our cars, but they will attempt to anyways.

The valves hitting the pistons does not neccesitate the pistons needing replaced... unless under very severe conditions. Alot of times if the piston is just nicked... then the inedents in the pistons can be smoothed to help eliminate hot spots.

The 2nd guy that said the shop said his bottom end was toast.. is kind of a common practice from what I hear. Requiring a full rebuild... so they make more $$$. Also I've rarely heard of someone actually bending 16 valves when after a Tbelt problem. It's normally 8 or less. But they just replace all of them anyways... again more $$$.

On the 1st case I would put the motor at TDC & check the timing marks on the cams. My method for doing this is
1: remove the cam gear cover
2: remove #1 spark plug (closest to the Tbelt)
3: insert a long skinny screwdriver or 12" extension into the hole resting on the piston
4: using a 1/2" drive... crank the motor over to TDC by hand at the crank pulley (turn the steering wheel to the left & you can get at the hole using a 1/2" drive w/ a 4" extension... w/o removing the wheel)
The engine will be at TDC when the the extension/screwdtriver is at the top of the piston's travel... also make sure that the dowels in the cam gears are at the 12 o'clock position... if not.. crank the motor over till they are & then put the motor at TDC.
5:check the timing marks at the center of the cam gears.. they should be lined up w/ each other & the head gasket