how fast should stock turbo Talon go?

[kr.k]

Hi! Today I made my first test 0-60 run and the best time i got was 9.3 sek!? I have 95 TSI AWD car so this is a little slow right? What would be good time for my car and any ideas why it is so slow?
thanks.

 

[skawty]

auto or manual?

 

[kr.k]

Originally posted by skawty
auto or manual?

5 speed manual

 

[underdogTSI]

whoa, somthing aint right. 6.6 0-60 is what car and driver gave a AWD 5speed. What are you launching at? How many miles? Something is wrong, check everything over dude. Even the N/A base models will run high 8 second 0-60, my advice, dont race anyone till you fix this.

 

[larryd]

how did u do the timing test?

 

[kr.k]

Originally posted by larryd
how did u do the timing test?

I took the time myself. I had the watch in my right hand and started the timing when I took off and ended it when the speed rised up to 60 m/ph.

 

[nine5raptor]

ouch!...i consistantly run 5.4 0-60's with the stock downpipe, turbo, fuel...

 

[kr.k]

does someone have any ideas why I am not getting full boost
How hi does your turbo gauge needle rise when you boost your car? mine does not go all the way to the top.. it stops somewhere around 3/4 of the scale.
Is it possible that I am having some sort of boost leak?
Or can the timing be wrong? Is it possible that some ECU-s don't set timing correctly?
btw, compression is ok in all of the four cylinders and no idle problems also. There is one thing that is very strange for me and I am pretty frustrated about it - some mechanics say that my car detonates. I have asked about it here on the forum and everybody keep telling me that it is very unlikely but still there is a brief metallic kind of noise in the engine if you rev it in the garage with open hood. it is pretty tricky to get this sound out but it's still there. Ecu reports no knock sensor failure.

 

[kr.k]

anyone?

 

[larryd]

the stock boost gauge is junk.. doent really tell you anything.

you cant really time yourself with a stop watch especially considering your the one driving anyhow..

 

[JoeG]

how fast does a stock auto do a 1/4mi? just out of curiosity...

 

[larryd]

i believe around mid-high 15s.

 

[kr.k]

Originally posted by nine5raptor
ouch!...i consistantly run 5.4 0-60's with the stock downpipe, turbo, fuel...

sounds almost too good!
Is there anyone else still with stock car that could list their 0-60 time??
thanks.
my best so far is 9 sek

 

[EuroGSTSpyder]

I even went 6,5 with my FWD Spyder....so something is really wrong if you go 9's.......Check it out!

 

[kr.k]

Originally posted by EuroGSTSpyder
I even went 6,5 with my FWD Spyder....so something is really wrong if you go 9's.......Check it out!

thanks man, there is obviously something wrong with my car.
I wonder if there is a chance that my timing belt is 1 tooth off?? How would such a car behave??

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[Enraged78]

If you're looking to start working with the car, there's a few things you should know. First, the stock boost gauge is not really a boost gauge. The computer estimates approximate boost by measuring the air flow through the MAF, injector rate, duty cycle, etc. Second, the gauge doesn't really work right. My car is set at 15 lbs. and I sometimes get spikes up to 19 lbs. The stock boost gauge in my car never reads full boost. It usually rests about 1/4 inch below the topmost mark. Many other people have claimed the same thing. If you want to find out how much boost you're really making, get a mechanical boost gauge. They're cheap (about $60.00 for an Autometer Phantom) and work very well. It is an invaluable tool. Third, don't try to time a 0-60 run with a stopwatch while you're driving. It's very innacurate, and will slow you down, considering you're driving a 5-speed. It's also kinda dangerous. As far as your detonation goes, you can either listen to the engine for detonation (sounds like someone dropping bearings into a coffee can, but softer), or get a datalogger. People around here love using the pocket logger. It's cheap, and plugs into a Palmpilot, which are also cheap. It will tell you EXACTLY how much detonation you are getting. By the way, you usually can't hear detonation unless the engine is under load (working hard), so the best way to induce detonation is to slip the car into 5th gear at about 28MPH, and floor it. The turbo is kinda loud, so you wouldn't hear it above that, but at 28MPH in 5th gear, if your car is detonating, you will hear it for a very brief amount of time. At least until the computer pulls the timing back.

Good Luck
Matt.

 

[kr.k]

If you want to find out how much boost you're really making, get a mechanical boost gauge. They're cheap (about $60.00 for an Autometer Phantom) and work very well. It is an invaluable tool.

I get it. I will search for it. Any information how to install and how to connect such a thing would be good!

Third, don't try to time a 0-60 run with a stopwatch while you're driving. It's very innacurate, and will slow you down, considering you're driving a 5-speed. It's also kinda dangerous.

I have tried several ways to check the 0-60 time and doing it alone works best for me. If I have someone else in the car I have extra weight and the car is even a bit slower. There is only one time when I need to shift gears - it's from first to second and holding that watch does not bother me at all. The point is that it's my car that's slow not me. confirmed.

As far as your detonation goes, you can either listen to the engine for detonation (sounds like someone dropping bearings into a coffee can, but softer), or get a datalogger. People around here love using the pocket logger. It's cheap, and plugs into a Palmpilot, which are also cheap. It will tell you EXACTLY how much detonation you are getting.

is this pocketlogger basically the same thing as the MUT II thing they have at mitsu service? what are the differences?

By the way, you usually can't hear detonation unless the engine is under load (working hard), so the best way to induce detonation is to slip the car into 5th gear at about 28MPH, and floor it. The turbo is kinda loud, so you wouldn't hear it above that, but at 28MPH in 5th gear, if your car is detonating, you will hear it for a very brief amount of time. At least until the computer pulls the timing back.

Yes that's exactly how I hear it!
But it's even possible to force my car to detonate if it stands still!
please give some versions on things that could be wrong.

I am in a pretty stupid situation here cause I live in a country where mitsu service has only seen on a picture of my car and they don't even have a service manual for it.
They have their MUT II tool to diagnose my car and it tells no errors so it must be fine! still I run 9 sek times with a car that is supposed to move as fast as 5 and a half seconds from 0-60 (according to one post above)
They are trying to tell me that be happy that it moves and that's the best they can do. no-one has any clue what to do with it.

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[Enraged78]

As far as how to install a boost gauge, go to www.vfaq.com. There are detailed instructions there. The only thing missing is EXACTLY where you should tap the gauge. You should open your hood and see on the back of the drivers side of the engine compartment, a fuel pressure solenoid with two vacuum lines coming out of it. There is one line leading to the top of the intake manifold (the thing with the ECI Multi plaque on it). That is the line you should tap.

For the MUT II thing, that sounds like a Mitsubishi specific OBD II code reader. If your CEL is not on, it probably won't tell you much (but I've never worked with one, so I'm not 100% on that). A pocket logger will tell you EXACTLY what your engine is doing, from explicit timing numbers to what your injector pulse width is. For the detonation thing, the first thing I would do is check your base timing. The vfaq's have a section on that too. If that's in spec, I would make sure that your plugs and wires are in good condition, as a misfire could induce detonation. Also, make sure that you don't have any intake leaks. Vfaq.com has a section on how to build an intake leak tester. Do all that, and you should be golden. These are all very low buck items, so you should have no problems learning to diagnose the car yourself. Read as much of the VFAQ's as you can. They will help you in the future. Also, go to http://manualcd.dsm.org, and you can order the factory manuals (backups) for $30.00

Later,
Matt.

 

[Ryan86]

Originally posted by kr.k
Hi! Today I made my first test 0-60 run and the best time i got was 9.3 sek!? I have 95 TSI AWD car so this is a little slow right? What would be good time for my car and any ideas why it is so slow?
thanks.

Dont mean to sound like Mr. Obvious, but did you launch it? Could be an easy answer right there Rev her up to 5k and slip out the clutch pretty quick

Ryan

 

[kr.k]

Originally posted by Ryan86


Dont mean to sound like Mr. Obvious, but did you launch it? Could be an easy answer right there Rev her up to 5k and slip out the clutch pretty quick

Ryan

thanks Ryan! I tried launching it from 5K and the time got better!
still no better than 8.4 sek tough...

 

[Spliff420]

you still are having trouble because i have a talon and i get 5.2 sec
0-60 all i have is turbo upgrade and exaust soon nos too

 

[kr.k]

hi, i am back with my slooow Talon and I need your help more than ever!
It has been real pain in the @ss for me to find an boost gauge from stores in my country so I ended up ordering one from outside of my country...
but meantime I managed to get in touch with one rally team and they were capable to measure the pressure of my turbo. It was exactly 1 BAR - It´s about 14.5 PSI if I am correct so it should be exellent right? So why does my car feel slow? Also I found another DSM-er right in my town who has the same car as I but his car is not running right now. He drove around with my car and he said that he thinks there is something wrong with my turbo but it was before I tested the turbo pressure that seems to be exellent. He also had this OBD II analysis soft on his computer and we run it on my car. It reported an EGR error "insufficent flow" or something like that. Is thet related to my problem of car being a little slow? People keep telling me it`s irrelevant

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[2boosted]

larryd I drive an auto and they are way slower than the manuels I belive the number i hears was high 15's, they said it was a second or a litte more slower thent he manuels!

 

[Grimace]

get an APEX rev speed meter ..liek 200.00 and i think it does you 0-60 automatically..i know it stores you 1/4 mile times and stuff liek that

 

[Enraged78]

This is going to sound very silly, but what kind of gas do you have where you are? If your car is making 14.7 PSI, knocking randomly, and you feel like you are losing power, then the computer might be REALLY pulling the timing back because of bad gas. Try finding some 93 octane gas using the RON/2 method, and a can of octane booster. And the EGR insufficent flow just means that your EGR valve (pushed exhaust gas into the intake for better emmisions) is getting clogged. That means that your throttle body is probably pretty dirty too. Look up on vfaq.com on how to clean the EGR valve and throttle body.