dsm girl performance help

[dsm girl]

Hey everyone I have my car in a shop here where I live in palm springs I have a 1990 eagle talon AWD and I when my car was running I had put a ACT 2600 clutch and 2.5 down pipe, 2.5 cat, 2.5 exhaust from mach v dinomax, and k&n cone filter open box, but my car started to throw smoke realy bad so I decided to get a new engine and i went to a shop that all my friends go to and they get along with the owner and I asked how much would he charge me for a new cyclone motor because I told him I had been saving up to get a motor in san diego ca. a shop called ard performance and they were going to charge me 3000 installed with a small 16g turbo but he said he could do it. He said he had some used parts he coud sell me that were in good condition he would give me a t3/04 turbo from garret, hks manifol,wastegat, cyclone motor, hks intercooler with upper intercooler piping, so I told him to do it and added a blow off valve from blitz and manual boost controller at extra charge, but he said just to leave it at 14 psi untill i get injectors and fuel pump but unfortionately ran out of money. He hooked me up because he wanted my friend's car club to come up and be faster. Now that i have bored you here are my

questions are the garret t3/t4 turbos good its ball bearing.

What can I expect to run with this set up with a deasant driver set at 14 psi for now but the guys i hang out with dont think I will be able to be fasterthan a crx with b16, apex exhaust and cold air intake, running mid 14's if that they are honda believers and dont think my car can be fast. The info would really be apreciated and hopefully when i get my 550cc rc, injectors fuel pump and afc controller i can show them what this cars are all about what time can i expect running 18psi maybe 20psi if thats not to much well thanks i just want your opinions dont necesarely have to be to acurate just what you guys trhink because you guys have more experienc.

 

[venom42]

I do not know a great deal about the Garrett turbos. However, if it is comparable to a 16G, methinks you should have no problems laying waste to a 14 sec Honduh. Especially with an AWD launch. Be sure your Cyclone has the 510cc injectors (most are from VR4's and have the 450's) before you go running 14 psi. Again, that is assuming your turbo flows similar to a 16G.

 

[oosoosloo]

what do you expect from your set-up. you will be doing some serious spanking. will you spank me! (jk)

 

[dsm girl]

Originally posted by oosoosloo
what do you expect from your set-up. you will be doing some serious spanking. will you spank me! (jk)

Real funny well thanx for the info and any more thoughts and opinions from others will be appreciated well as far as I know i think it flows beter than a 16g. what do you guys think I should be runing.

 

[2G_TURBO]

Originally posted by dsm girl
What can I expect to run with this set up with a deasant driver set at 14 psi for now but the guys i hang out with dont think I will be able to be fasterthan a crx with b16, apex exhaust and cold air intake, running mid 14's if that they are honda believers and dont think my car can be fast. The info would really be apreciated and hopefully when i get my 550cc rc, injectors fuel pump and afc controller i can show them what this cars are all about what time can i expect running 18psi maybe 20psi if thats not to much well thanks i just want your opinions dont necesarely have to be to acurate just what you guys trhink because you guys have more experienc.

if the crx is running mid 14's, you shouldnt have any problems, a stock 1g AWD is able to run mid-high 14's, .... seeing what's instore for your car, that crx wouldn't stand a chance, unless you're the worlds worst driver.....

i dont know much about the t3/t4, but like with any other turbo + supporting mods. upgrade, it wont run to it's full potential untill you get it tuned.

 

[oosoosloo]

i'm no expert. but 2g turbo is right. with the right supporting mods and tunning you will be on the right track. I myself using a 14b turbo and some supporting mods made me to run 13.6 in the 1/4 mile. my set-up is basically just bolt it on and run to the strip. this is without tunning.

 

[Dieselboy]

Originally posted by dsm girl
but the guys i hang out with dont think I will be able to be fasterthan a crx with b16, apex exhaust and cold air intake, running mid 14's if that they are honda believers and dont think my car can be fast.

LMFAO!!!! :laugh: (This coming from a traditional Honda enthusiast/believer)

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by dsm girl
questions are the garret t3/t4 turbos good its ball bearing.

There is approximately 11 million combinations of Garrett turbos. Your performance will entirely depend on what type of t3/t4 you have. But in general I like Garrett turbos much more than bolt on turbos.

As for what to expect from your setup I honestly have no idea. It is so ass backwards replacing your turbo manifold and intercooler before adding a fuel system or controller. I don’t know how a shop recommended that to you with a clear conscious.

 

[marshall]

did you say he gave you an HKS manifold?

HKS mani's only bolt up to T4's...

marshall

 

[Violater101]

Not only that, they are like over a grand ..Then again, she has listed HKS Exhaust Manifold listed in her mods. Seems rather odd

 

[Novtec1]

ok dsm gurl...im a old honda head now i gotta 1g awd talon.... you should have no problem with a b16 crx AT ALL!!!!! i walked a accord type-r IN MY TALON WITH A 14B AND A EXHAUST ......if your are a competent driver...F**k what they say i know you can do it. its not hard..and make sure you practice your launch ...thats the ket.

 

[Oreopride18]

Hehe..I was thinking the same thing about the manifold.

Are you rocking a T-66?

The T3/T4 Garret one have a great spool up time and hold boost well into the low 7 grands of your revs. Still, a stock AWD should be running 14.8 in the 1/4 without and free mods. Do the free mods + a K&N and you can probably get down to a 14.5-14.6. The intercooler cleaning will do the most justice as far as the free mods go. I just did mine a week ago and I can say it pulls a bit harder (I had about 18 bent fins)

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by Oreopride18
The T3/T4 Garret one have a great spool up time and hold boost well into the low 7 grands of your revs.

English do you speak it? Next time reread your post then hit the submit button. This will save all of us the hassle of trying to decode what you are trying to say.

 

[dsm girl]

I dont know i should talk to the owner of the shop to specify what kind of turbo it is exactly. And yeah i thought that it was weired that the shop decided to put the manifold and intercooler befire fuel system upgrades but I thought it was a prity good deal and ould not say no. I have to talk to the shop about the hks manifold because I dont think there is any either and this is what everyone tells me and i am sure he said hks manifold because it says that in the reciet and the turbo is written t3/04. I guess i will find out what he is giving me when i get my car and it shouldnt be to long before i get my fuel control. Thanks for the info.

 

[Dieselboy]

i walked a accord type-r IN MY TALON WITH A 14B AND A EXHAUST ......[/B]

Accord Type-R? Only if...

1). It was a riced-out Accord with a ghey "Accord Type-R" sticker/badge
2). You'd consider an Accord with an H-22 swap(rare) a "Type-R"
3). Or this person actually had an actual JDM Accord Type-R (right hand drive, H-22A motor, recaro's, and all the JDM goodies STOCK) shipped over here which he'd have to have mass bread to ship over and make it legal here emissions and registation/VIN # wise.

Not trying to be a c*ck or anything, I just want you to know 95% most likely it wassnt an Accord Type-R (although an Accord H-22 swap would be a rather sick race )

 

[efeezie]

Originally posted by Dieselboy


Accord Type-R? Only if...

1). It was a riced-out Accord with a ghey "Accord Type-R" sticker/badge
2). You'd consider an Accord with an H-22 swap(rare) a "Type-R"
3). Or this person actually had an actual JDM Accord Type-R (right hand drive, H-22A motor, recaro's, and all the JDM goodies STOCK) shipped over here which he'd have to have mass bread to ship over and make it legal here emissions and registation/VIN # wise.

Not trying to be a c*ck or anything, I just want you to know 95% most likely it wassnt an Accord Type-R (although an Accord H-22 swap would be a rather sick race )

Check out where he is from

 

[CBgst]

With your previous set up before the new engine you should have been in or real close to 13s so with this motor and turbo set up that CRX will get stomped. Well that is if he really runs mid 14s. They might not really know and could have just said he runs mid 14s. Find out what it really runs and make some money off of the people that dought you. Oh yea and when you pass the finish line 6 car links ahead get a picture of everyone watching That's my favorite expression.

 

[LaserRST]

Ask your mechanic about compressor trims and turbine trims... you could be getting something good or something not so good. Check the A/R ratios too. If you have a .63 intake and a .83 exhaust or sumthin than better look into your set up. It just may be a T4, ive seen sum idiots on EBay tryna pass off a Garrett M-10 as a Hybrid turbo. Get your turbo specs, and if you paid for the engine already hold on to the 16g just incase, I kinda smell rapage if they didnt go into detail as to what the turbo entails... especially a T4 ball bearing center cartridge, this is freakin expensive Dual ballbearing just the center section can be 600-900+ (I can find exact numbers). If its all real though expect some quick spooling and hard pushin outa the turbo, Garrett is by far more durable than a Mitsu. Depending on which combo you have it can be up there with the 18c or 20g.

 

[Novtec1]

Originally posted by Dieselboy


Accord Type-R? Only if...

1). It was a riced-out Accord with a ghey "Accord Type-R" sticker/badge
2). You'd consider an Accord with an H-22 swap(rare) a "Type-R"
3). Or this person actually had an actual JDM Accord Type-R (right hand drive, H-22A motor, recaro's, and all the JDM goodies STOCK) shipped over here which he'd have to have mass bread to ship over and make it legal here emissions and registation/VIN # wise.

Not trying to be a c*ck or anything, I just want you to know 95% most likely it wassnt an Accord Type-R (although an Accord H-22 swap would be a rather sick race )

before you post next time CHECK OUT MY LOCATION!!!!!!!! and i just want you to know YES it was real type-r THANKS!!!!!

 

[GSX_RCR]

Originally posted by Novtec1


before you post next time CHECK OUT MY LOCATION!!!!!!!! and i just want you to know YES it was real type-r THANKS!!!!!

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[TRBOTSI]

Well, my guess is this shop saw you coming from a mile away. They probably spray painted your valve cover red and told you that it's a cyclone engine...Oh well, it's only money....And I wouldn't be surprised if this car is slower than a civic. By the sounds of things this shop took you for a ride and probably bolted on all mismatched parts or just lied about everything and now you have a stock 1G all for $3k...

 

[Oreopride18]

The T3/T4 Garret one have a great spool up time and hold boost well into the low 7 grands of your revs.

Jesus #@%#@%#@%#@%ing Christ.

The T3/T4 Garret one has a great spool up time and holds boost well into the low 7 grands of your revs.
I screwed up on 3 letters. Shoot me.

There is approximately 11 million combinations of Garrett turbos.

In proper written documents you write out the number rather than putting down the number itself. So you should change the "11" to "eleven." But do I care? No. It's just a message forum. If it is too illegible then don't read it.

*sigh* I just do not have the patience for people anymore.

AS for you dsm girl, just run it at the track and see what happens. If this really is a mid 14 second CRX then it will realy come down to the driver. I can say that in the 1/8th your AWD will own the FWD because he has to fight the traction problems; with your setup you should kill him in the 1/4 too. If not then you are either having troubles shifting or your "550cc large trim T3/T4 turbo" isn't really what they said.

 

[dsm girl]

turbo tsi thats prity laim how can I have a stock talon just because ime a girl dont mean I dont know some #@%#@%#@%#@% and not tell if they give me good parts or not and thats stupid just paint the valve cover red. I dont think this guy would want to rip me of my friends have known them for a while and my girl friend is the owners wife I know them prity good. But your entitled to your own opinion I just wanted some advice.

 

[984G634LIFE]

Personally I think that any car can smoke a CRX becuz I HATE Honduhs. They piss me off. Anyways yeah, I think you're smart enough to recognize the difference between a cyclone engine and a painted valve cover but other things like the turbo and manifold you really should ask more questions to make sure your getting what you paid for even if you know the person. You also want to know exactly what you have for your own reference as to future mods. When you get your car back I would highly recommend that you get some gauges and perhaps other equipment to tell you whats going on under your hood instead of a boost controller and SAFC. Trust me having A car is better than a fast car.

 

[dsm girl]

thanks dsm4life I know i can tell the difference between a cyclone motor or not and thanks for the info this is why i cam in the forum to find out more and as far as gadges i have a boost controll gadge and oerdered a A/F gadge. But hey even if its not a really big turbo I think I still got a prity good deal because I am geting a motor,turbo,waste gate,and hks front mount including labor for 3 thousand that was I was going to pay in San Diego Ca. at ARD Performance with a motor labor and small 16g turbo whitch I know the turbo I am getting know is bigger than a small 16g.