Improving an AWD from the roll and improving top speed? Max. reasonable s16g boost?

[Verticaljump1]

Okay, first off I'm supposed to race some 96 Firebird formula, 6spd, Lt1, yadda yah. I know I can take him from a launch, but I'm a bit worried because I'm afraid above 30MPH he'll kill me, is this true with AWD? Our power levels are pretty much the same at crank. Also, what can be done to raise an AWD's top speed potential, 75MPH at 3500-3600 rpms tells me I won't make it past 160, are there certain gears I can buy? And...is 24-25PSI reasonable for a small 16g (255 pump, 560cc Evo VIII injectors, supra smic, hard uicp)? Thanks and have a good day.

 

[NewB2dsm]

Okay, first off I'm supposed to race some 96 Firebird formula, 6spd, Lt1, yadda yah. I know I can take him from a launch, but I'm a bit worried because I'm afraid above 30MPH he'll kill me, is this true with AWD? .

Deponds on the power you are making and judging by this post you have no idea what your car will do in the the 1/4

Also, what can be done to raise an AWD's top speed potential, 75MPH at 3500-3600 rpms tells me I won't make it past 160, are there certain gears I can buy? .

Who races past 160mph? and why? and yes there are gears to make you go faster than that if you have the power.

And...is 24-25PSI reasonable for a small 16g (255 pump, 560cc Evo VIII injectors, supra smic, hard uicp)? Thanks and have a good day.

No, not on pump gas. get a logger and find out wha tyou can run.

And search is your new best freind, it can be found in the red bar at the top of the screen.

 

[diambo4life]

96 Firebird formula, 6spd, Lt1,

From my experience (seeing them at the track) they trap around 100mph stock, maybe a liltle slower at around 98mph. If you have a well tuned B16G putting down in the higher 200's (or 300AWHP+) , that is a piece of cake. Or you can make weight reductions. It's all about Power v/s Weight. Increase the power and/or reduce the car's weight. AWD drivetrain has very little to do with it. I have run an LS1 TA from a punch and beat him easily in my AWD. My car is not fast.

Racing on the street is dumb as it is but running your car to over 150mph (even when not racing) on a public road is suicidal.

 

[Verticaljump1]

I should've searched first, but I'm not gonna race up to 160 , I asked that question because I knew a higher top speed gear would equal a lower 75MPH RPM. It won't be a street race, it'll be in douglas at the track

 

[91gstman]

From my experience (seeing them at the track) they trap around 100mph stock, maybe a liltle slower at around 98mph. If you have a well tuned B16G putting down in the higher 200's (or 300AWHP+) , that is a piece of cake. Or you can make weight reductions. It's all about Power v/s Weight. Increase the power and/or reduce the car's weight. AWD drivetrain has very little to do with it. I have run an LS1 TA from a punch and beat him easily in my AWD. My car is not fast.

Racing on the street is dumb as it is but running your car to over 150mph (even when not racing) on a public road is suicidal.

Before tellin him that racin on the streets and public roads is dumb, why not respect the dude first by askin him where he plans to race before makin assumptions that he plans to race on the streets

 

[ChicagoGSX]

Before tellin him that racin on the streets and public roads is dumb, why not respect the dude first by askin him where he plans to race before makin assumptions that he plans to race on the streets

The topics says improving roll race...I don't know many people who roll race at the track.

 

[mavisky]

A common misconception amongst new dsm owners is that in the upper rpm ranges their awd dsm's aren't fast at all. While it is true that the awd typically has a lower trap speed than an equally modded fwd, the notion that the car is w/o topend power is just rediculous. Your engine makes as much power throughout the rev range as an identical one in an awd, the only disadvantage you have is the added weight and extra drivetrain losses of the awd system. The total difference isn't as big as it may seem. I frequently get out-trapped by one of our local awd's who has a 14b as well. He can outtrap me by as much as 4-6 mph whenever we go to the track. The average LT1 F-body isn't that quick. I can hassle a slightly modded one pretty easily from a roll, from a stop i have alot more problems. With a small 16g in a reasonable state of tune you shouldn't have that much trouble with him though, and you don't need 23-24 psi to get it done.

 

[Turbocharged]

You shouldnt have a problem. I beat a newer formula up a hill from a 40 mph roll. My car was FAR from being tuned and my boost was set at 16 psi.

What are your supporting mods?

 

[Verticaljump1]

Supra smic, hks uicp, 560cc injectors (evo VIII), datalogger, gm maf w/ translator, 3" turbo-back. We only have 91 octane here, so I was thinking I can probably tun to run about 20/21PSI, I'll find out though. Thanks for the help guys. I asked from a roll because I know awd's can launch good, but I didn't want the guy flying by me halfway through the track. Street racing is dumb, and no offense was taken by his comment, thanks again for all of your guys' help, or else my dsm would be trash

 

[91gstman]

The topics says improving roll race...I don't know many people who roll race at the track.

Okay, first off I'm supposed to race some 96 Firebird formula, 6spd, Lt1, yadda yah. I know I can take him from a launch, but I'm a bit worried because I'm afraid above 30MPH he'll kill me, is this true with AWD? Our power levels are pretty much the same at crank. Also, what can be done to raise an AWD's top speed potential, 75MPH at 3500-3600 rpms tells me I won't make it past 160, are there certain gears I can buy? And...is 24-25PSI reasonable for a small 16g (255 pump, 560cc Evo VIII injectors, supra smic, hard uicp)? Thanks and have a good day.



In the first sentence he mentions he knows he can take him from a launch, but above 30mph hes afraid he may get taken, in common posts with racin from a roll. They usually tell us though i can take him from a launch, he wants to race me from a roll.
So im just goin on what he was tryin to ask, though he may be able to take him from a launch, will he be able to stay in front of him knowin the gearin of the awd platform.

 

[ChicagoGSX]

In the first sentence he mentions he knows he can take him from a launch, but above 30mph hes afraid he may get taken, in common posts with racin from a roll. They usually tell us though i can take him from a launch, he wants to race me from a roll. So im just goin on what he was tryin to ask, though he may be able to take him from a launch, will he be able to stay in front of him knowin the gearin of the awd platform.

Whatever I really could care less. My point was that there was ample reason to believe he would be street racing and that you shouldn't have jumped down diambo4life's throat about it.

 

[pianoman]

Take your car out for a spin and learn how to launch, if you don't already. Also learn your car's shift points, if you have enough time before the race. just my .02cents

 

[91gstman]

Whatever I really could care less. My point was that there was ample reason to believe he would be street racing and that you shouldn't have jumped down diambo4life's throat about it.

What u mean about what ever? lose the attitude, did i disrespect diambo? no i actually agree with diambo and the original poster that street racin is dumb but i repsect people so thats why i posted in a manner that i hope diambo wouldnt take personally. I just said instead of assuming just ask him first so we know hes not racin on the street cuase it is stupid. So if diambo had a problem with what i said i would of told him no disrespect intended, and if u couldnt care less then dont post about what i said move on. Theres soldiers dyin everyday in iraq serious world problems and here u are whining about what i said about diambo comments, cry me a river and move on to another thread since u could care less.

 

[ChicagoGSX]

What u mean about what ever? lose the attitude, did i disrespect diambo? no i actually agree with diambo and the original poster that street racin is dumb but i repsect people so thats why i posted in a manner that i hope diambo wouldnt take personally. I just said instead of assuming just ask him first so we know hes not racin on the street cuase it is stupid. So if diambo had a problem with what i said i would of told him no disrespect intended, and if u couldnt care less then dont post about what i said move on. Theres soldiers dyin everyday in iraq serious world problems and here u are whining about what i said about diambo comments, cry me a river and move on to another thread since u could care less.

Seriously man you need to relax a little. All I did was make a statement, in fact to clarify to you why people might think he was talking about street racing. Stop writing me god damn essays about it.

 

[1fast97gsx]

Take your car out for a spin and learn how to launch

this is off a roll ... however since its only an lt1 in basically stock form you should be able to stay even at least. An LS1 is a different story.

 

[91gstman]

Seriously man you need to relax a little. All I did was make a statement, in fact to clarify to you why people might think he was talking about street racing. Stop writing me god damn essays about it.

Wait i need to relax? ur the one goin off how im jumpin down the guys throat, yea u clarified in ur first post so i clarified what i thought he meant, once i did that u should of ended it there but no u go on how u dont care and blah blah. End it already, what u want a scooby snack and i write what i want to write u have a problem, come fix it if not let it die already goodness.

 

[David15151]

ok could we take the drama to private tells please before this ends up getting locked.

 

[Logue]

i rolled my friend last night with an ls1 that went 12.8 on slicks.

we went on are local empty road were no one ever goes.

we went 3 times once from 30mph,40mph, and rolling a mph in 1st.

everytime i had a car length on him at 105mph we stopped there but he was starting to catch me.

i was on 20psi,b16g,550,190,safc,full exhaust,greddy 24r couple other things...

you'll take the lt1

 

[91gstman]

ok could we take the drama to private tells please before this ends up getting locked.

Yea ur right sorry Verticaljump1 and Diambo if my comment was takin out of text, i do feel u can take him and by the time he does catches up well seein that u do get the good launch down, the race will be over good luck dude.

 

[GRNDSM]

OK, even before the drama, this was a bench racing thread…

If you have some specific technical questions, I suggest that you ask them in separate threads in appropriate forums. And please, NO BENCH RACING!

Closed for several reasons.