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Goblin

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Jun 11, 2002
Here is what I've decided on for my DSM.

I'm going to buy a 1g that has ungodly high miles or an engine that is simply on it's way out (that way out I can get it for dirt cheap). My reasoning for getting one with a tired or bad engine is because I want to put in a "built" engine. But like the title of the thread says I want to do it right the first time I don’t care if the engine is good or not because it’s going to be replaced or rebuilt.

I've looked into some engine remanufactures and understand it's going to cost roughly $4K for an OEM engine, I'd rather spend that $4K and a little more on a "built" engine or building up the one that came with the car. I’m looking at a set up something like the standard ported head work with strong springs and seals, 1mm oversized valves, 3 angle valve job, street cams, forged pistons, rods, crank and POSSIBLY over-boring the block’s displacement to 2.2L

So I guess my question is who would people recommend to have this work done? I could go through a local shop but I would get RAILED on the labor and prices because they would just contract the job out to someone else. I figure it would be better to go through a company that does this sort of thing themselves so their costs are not as high so i.e. their prices aren’t as high.

I looked into Buschur’s “Stage 2” set up (which would cost almost the same as an OEM engine) but his site doesn’t list the details and I’m not going to call his shop and bother them until I have the $ together in about a year. If anyone knows the details and would take the time to send them my way I’d appreciate it. I’d like to keep this car “streetable” (ha ha rrrrrright).

Again because I’m replacing the engine period I might as well DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. I don’t want to put in an OEM engine just so I can buy new internals for it when the time comes.

I've got about $3k in the bank and I'll have another $5K by next summer PLUS w/e I make at my new job by then (at $10 an hour that will be a couple of grand). I’m willing to spend about $7k on an engine (and I’m sure some of the stuff I listed is overboard and will come off of my list later).

I’d appreciate it if people refrained from posting opinions on why I don’t need this engine set up or that I should my hard earned money on something else, that isn’t what I asked.

For those of you familiar with my posts you know by now that I like to learn as much as possible about things before I begin jumping into the sh][t or spending money so don’t post crap like “YOU DON’T EVEN OWN A GSX/TSI!” or “You don’t know what you are doing!” If I knew everything I wouldn’t post on this forum asking for advice/help now would I? :thumb:
 
First of all what are your goals? Why would you want to spend all that cash on buying another 6-bolt longblock, when you can rebuild the 6-bolt engine that comes with car that you buy :confused:
 
BR's engines are very good. But bare in mind that they are just the "short blocks". You will steel need a rebuild head, a front case and the rest of the little parts/gaskets which add-up VERY fast. Depending on how much you will get carried away, it might cost you $1000-$2500 in addition to the short block.

If you can't afford it, buying JDM engine is also a very good alternative. For $1200-$1500/shipped, you can have a very good used motor.

I had a couple of bad motor rebuild experiences and right now I am running 11's on a "jukn yard motor" with around 100k miles on it. This short block was only $500, it is not as good as JDM motor.

Leon
RR
 
Due to some stupid laws in Japan, keeping a car with over 40k miles is not practical. So many people dump their cars (or motors) That is why we have plentifull supply of JDM 4G63T motors. But they are no better than US spec counterparts.

They are recommended because you will most likely get a low mileage 4G63. But it is not guaranteed... Many people in Japan forge their mileage do make their cars last longer, so it is possible for "40k miles" JDM motor to actually have more than 60k miles.

I still think that they are worth a risk.

Leon
RR
 
Originally posted by Hobbes =^.^=
First of all what are your goals? Why would you want to spend all that cash on buying another 6-bolt longblock, when you can rebuild the 6-bolt engine that comes with car that you buy :confused:

Well idealy I'd like to have a mid 12 second daily (at this elevation that's about 11 at sea level). BUT when I get out of college I want to make this my drag car (because the new race track in Boise should be done by then) so that is why when I do the rebuild I want the right parts in it now so I'm not wasting money later. Also I said "Rebuild or replace" and most places that "build" just take your core and sell you a built "new" one so it's technically replacing the motor.
 
When you mean drag car, your not going to take it out on the streets? But in any case, you can get the stroker from either FFWD or Magnus. I don't think you'll need to send them a core or not. They don't mention anything on the site. Also get the craziest head out there. It will be most likely $1,000 for the head alone. FFWD has a nice selection, or you can go to BJ's for a good head job hahaha :p

Also, your going to have your tranny built to take all the abuse, especially the Stroker engines. I suggest going to TRE.

These prices may be off, but please correct me if I am wrong:

Magnus 2.4L: $4000
FFWD Lvl 4 Head: $1600
TRE Tranny w/ everything: $2100

That's just for the engine. Now you'll a turbo, FMIC, Standalone or AFC, Electronics, etc.

Guesstimate another $5,000???

Also keep in mind, you'll need some money to replace things that break, which WILL happen, labor, dyno time.

That will be sorta a crazy setup, but that is up to you. You can even go further with the head. Check BJs. This is kinda vague but you get the idea. This is going to be very, very expensive no matter what route you go. You may also want to have a daily driver as this car will be down alot.
 
Thanks a lot Hobbes

I'll keep it streetable for the next three years or so but when I get done with college it's going to be a track car only. I don't know if I'll go with a stage 4 head because it has to be streetable for the first part of it's life and reasonably dependable as I don't want to drive me NA all the time. When I get out of college I'll have a new daily driver and the TSI will be a track car.

I'm checking into a shop that is the ONLY DSM shop in Idaho, I'm going to hit them up and see what they can do for me. I don't know about the stroker kit because my upping the displacement was a big "maybe" and I think I'd rather spend that money on valve train work and as you said a Turbo set up and all of my fuel managment, cooling and tranny work.
 
Stroker are still very new. Plenty of very fast people are using the tried and proven 4g63 (Shepard, Jeff Hill) So there you go :)

Good luck with your car.
 
Well here is a better question.

Hobbes if you were given $6k to drop on a motor and you were in my shoes (had to be streetable for a few years) what set up would you go with?

I'm not a pro at motors and I'm not going to pretend to be, I just have an idea on what set = what ET (roughly).
 
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