PTE 50 vs PTE 52

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

I am doing a little research on turbos, so I can get my base mods in order to fit the turbo, and I think I want to go with a PTE 50 trim (very popular, and pump gas capable). While I was looking at prices I noticed that the 52 trim was the same price and yet capable of 600hp vs the 50's 450 hp. Other than the obvious size difference 50 trim compressor vs 60 trim compressor (54 vs 59 mm) What overall difference is there? Would the 52 still be pump gas capable or would I run into problems? I'm assuming spool time would be different, but the 52 seems like a better buy than the 50. Im not a turbo expert though, so could somebody shed some light? (Btw my target is streetable 11's on pump gas, hard to do I know but 11.99 would count and I'd obviously not be running an 11's boost/fuel setup for daily driving)

 

[SummerWolf]

sounds like you need a 57 trim

 

[Squackdiddy]

i think the 50trim would be fine if you just want to hit 11.9.also works well with pump gas (the pump gas king).
you want it to be streetable, so the 56trim (i think it is) would be a bad choice because it hits full boost after 4k rpm :thumbdown thats like a full race turbo.

 

[SummerWolf]

if hes looking for 11's, I'd say go with the bigger turbo......57 trim will spool some PSI but your right it doesn't hit full boost til later.....fortunately with the right mods he'll have 4,500 rpm of full boost to play with....leave the line at 5,000 or above, he'll never be out of boost while hes running down the track, and it'll still have some decent street manners

 

[aliengotpsi]

I have a 50 trim and i run 28-30 psi at the track with 110 octane. I run 11.2's all day long all on a stock 130k mile engine

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[SummerWolf]

I didn't say it couldn't be done.....and done easily, I'm just saying, I think it would be better to go with a bigger turbo

 

[STECARS]

yOU SHOULD HAVE POSTED A POLL. nE WAY IF YOU WANT STREETABLE YOU WANT SPOOL FAST AND THE 50 TRIM WILL SPOOL Faster (CAPS, SORRY) and it will run 11's at track or street properly tuned. Also the pte 50 trim is underated and can do more than 450 hp Its done more than 450 whp, the pte 5o trim.I vote 5o trim thats why i got one. I was in same delimna. Other than that you might want to look into a dual ball bearing turbo cuase you basically want spool up fast on the street.

 

[STECARS]

Also if you are going for low end torque you are gonna have to sacrifice some some high end power. Its tricky but basically be carefull on what supporting mods you pick. If this is gonna be a strret car you want mad low-mid end torque and fast spool upand a very firm ride, weight reductions, very lightweight rims and good rubber.Oh, good driver too.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

My big question is would anything bigger than a 50 trim be able to perform on pump gas, or am I going to run into problems? All of PTE's 50 series turbos are essentially the same prices therefore I was wondering why not go with the slightly bigger turbo, but you all just told me the 50 trim was good for better than 450 hp. Race gas is expensive, that is why I am worried about pump gas. Race gas around here especially is very expensive indeed. I probably will not get a dual ball bearing turbo, just because they are VERY expensive for decent ones. Right now you can get 50 trims for about 850 bucks. A ball bearing anything is going to be 1200 plus. And for those of you who have the 50 trim, where does it start spooling, and when does it reach full boost?

 

[STECARS]

My big question is would anything bigger than a 50 trim be able to perform on pump gas, or am I going to run into problems? All of PTE's 50 series turbos are essentially the same prices therefore I was wondering why not go with the slightly bigger turbo, (becuase of lag) but you all just told me the 50 trim was good for better than 450 hp.( So why go bigger) Race gas is expensive, ( ya think, Regular is at $2 already in N.J. premium 94 is $3)that is why I am worried about pump gas.( me too) Race gas around here especially is very expensive indeed. I probably will not get a dual ball bearing turbo, just because they are VERY expensive for decent ones. Right now you can get 50 trims for about 850 bucks. A ball bearing anything is going to be 1200 plus. And for those of you who have the 50 trim, where does it start spooling, and when does it reach full boost? ( full boost anywhere from 3600-4400 depend on many things)

IMO Plese reread the quote

bigger turbo = more lag
Race gas =$$$$$$$$$$
Rgular 89 octane is at $2 in N.J.
93 octane is at $3 and going up
full boost anywhere from 3600-4400 depend on many things

 

[njshift]

IMO Plese reread the quote
Rgular 89 octane is at $2 in N.J.
93 octane is at $3 and going up

I have never seen $3 a gallon for 93octane in NJ.

 

[nanokpsi]

If all you are concerned about is pump gas performance, then get the 50 trim. At 20 or so psi they are going to flow the same amount of air (discussed a lot around here) so why not pick the one that gives you better response? That larger turbo won't flow more untill the 50 trim reaches its limits. You would have to run a lot of boost to notice.

 

[STECARS]

I have never seen $3 a gallon for 93octane in NJ.

Well you need to go get some gas.
As of about an hour ago
Regular unleaded (usually 87 or 89 octane ) was at $2.03
which was what i got cuase premium was at $2.80....something. 93 octane
will be at $3.00 by next week

and as for 94 octane which around here only sunoco carries is probably at $3.00 or more. They dont even put this one on the chart you see when you drive by.

 

[Squackdiddy]

Well you need to go get some gas.
As of about an hour ago
Regular unleaded (usually 87 or 89 octane ) was at $2.03
which was what i got cuase premium was at $2.80....something. 93 octane
will be at $3.00 by next week

and as for 94 octane which around here only sunoco carries is probably at $3.00 or more. They dont even put this one on the chart you see when you drive by.

damn, looks like i have it lucky up in minnesota. its 2 dollars average for 93 octane.

 

[STECARS]

damn, looks like i have it lucky up in minnesota. its 2 dollars average for 93 octane.

I feel bad for the people in the city (New York city)
they are payin $7-8 for a pack of cigarrettes and i get them In jersey 15 min. over the bridge for $5. the gas in the city should be over $3 dallars probably. Sales tax in new york is 18% and in new jersey its 6%.

 

[badgsx]

I dont feel bad for anyone paying 8 bucks for ciggerettes. The simple solution is dont smoke.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

Yeah it was funny, I was on my way to the dealer to get a few things, and I saw an old lady in a wheelchair hooked up to an oxygen tank, and in one hand she had a cigarette, how dumb. BTW gas is 2.20 for 93 octane here. So the general consensus is yes on the 50 trim? Or do you say bigger? Will the 50 Trim get me my streetable 11's?

 

[STECARS]

Yeah it was funny, I was on my way to the dealer to get a few things, and I saw an old lady in a wheelchair hooked up to an oxygen tank, and in one hand she had a cigarette, how dumb. BTW gas is 2.20 for 93 octane here. So the general consensus is yes on the 50 trim? Or do you say bigger? Will the 50 Trim get me my streetable 11's?

You know whats funny after all the street racing horror stories you want to build a 11 second street car . To each his own. And again yes a 5o trim can do 11's regardless of street or track, just find a straight road on the street thats 1/4 mile long and its just like being at the track. I cant even believe this thread is still going based on wether or not a 50 trim can run 11's.

 

[njshift]

Well you need to go get some gas.
As of about an hour ago
Regular unleaded (usually 87 or 89 octane ) was at $2.03
which was what i got cuase premium was at $2.80....something. 93 octane
will be at $3.00 by next week

and as for 94 octane which around here only sunoco carries is probably at $3.00 or more. They dont even put this one on the chart you see when you drive by.

My point exactly, I'm not talking about tomorrow or in the near future. You said it was $3.00 a gallon for 93 octane (not 94) in NJ. All I said was I haven't seen that high a price. Don't tell me what premium gas WILL cost in the future. We're talking about the price it is now (TODAY). If you're paying $2.80 a gallon anyway your getting robbed. 93 octane goes for $2.10-2.40 at any moderate volumn gas station.

NJ average gas prices
Just to further prove my point.

 

[STECARS]

My point exactly, I'm not talking about tomorrow or in the near future. You said it was $3.00 a gallon for 93 octane (not 94) in NJ. All I said was I haven't seen that high a price. Don't tell me what premium gas WILL cost in the future. We're talking about the price it is now (TODAY). If you're paying $2.80 a gallon anyway your getting robbed. 93 octane goes for $2.10-2.50 at any moderate volumn gas station.

NJ average gas prices
Just to further show my point.

I'm not getting robbed cuase as stated above i got regular at $2.03. And your link further helps my arguement. Dont forget the AVERAGE in your link is $1.93 for regular. Oh and I'll tell you what take a ride on the parkway and take one of thier fuel up pit-stops. Even more than what i paid.Oh and deisel is at $1.67 or $1.76 can't remember.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

However I am not going to be running 11 sec passes on the street. i want a car that I can take to the track, run my 11's and still drive it home and to work everyday (without having to do much more than lower the boost and change the fuel settings.. Smoking is bad no matter what.

 

[njshift]

I'm not getting robbed cuase as stated above i got regular at $2.03. And your link further helps my arguement. Dont forget the AVERAGE in your link is $1.93 for regular. Oh and I'll tell you what take a ride on the parkway and take one of thier fuel up pit-stops. Even more than what i paid.Oh and deisel is at $1.67 or $1.76 can't remember.

You keep changing the subject to avoid the truth. I have been talking about premium gas not regular. To further prove my point, again, the link provided gives the average of low, mid and high octane gas. The whole reason I even responded to your ridiculous statement was based on your $3.00 a gallon remark for premium gas.. Don't try to use the parkway as an example of common gas prices. The parkway gas stations are high volume gas stations which have notoriously have had higher prices (no wonder you pay alot). Places like that can and always have charged more based on there location and convenience.

Stop changing the subject to avoid the inevitable fact that you made a mistake
I'm not here to argue with you, just don't make posts that are not true. Simple enough...

 

[my_precious]

i looked at pte turbos for awhile, but i decided they were too big for me. go with a t4, look at sheps car, it runs 8s on a t4. (granted thats probably on race gas etc..) but, the t4 can easily get you to where u want to go with some tuning and mods. now im not sayin that ptes are bad, im just saying ptes spool way high... u would be spoolin (like someone else said) at like 4k. but with a t4, depending on boost and what not...u could be running at say...3k. so it all depends on spool time i guess. there are many tubos, even the 20 g will help u out.

 

[njshift]

i looked at pte turbos for awhile, but i decided they were too big for me. go with a t4, look at sheps car, it runs 8s on a t4. (granted thats probably on race gas etc..) but, the t4 can easily get you to where u want to go with some tuning and mods. now im not sayin that ptes are bad, im just saying ptes spool way high... u would be spoolin (like someone else said) at like 4k. but with a t4, depending on boost and what not...u could be running at say...3k. so it all depends on spool time i guess. there are many tubos, even the 20 g will help u out.

A pte 50 trim was too big so your recommending a simliar turbo to what shep runs???
That makes absolutely no sense, unless you're being sarcastic then I apologize.
A 50 trim will accomplish BlackbirdOfPrey's goals. 50 trims will hit full boost before 4k.

 

[G_S_X]

i looked at pte turbos for awhile, but i decided they were too big for me. go with a t4, look at sheps car, it runs 8s on a t4. (granted thats probably on race gas etc..) but, the t4 can easily get you to where u want to go with some tuning and mods. now im not sayin that ptes are bad, im just saying ptes spool way high... u would be spoolin (like someone else said) at like 4k. but with a t4, depending on boost and what not...u could be running at say...3k. so it all depends on spool time i guess. there are many tubos, even the 20 g will help u out.

When you say "t4" it is very vauge, there are so many different "t4's" made by all these companies...