386whp what will it take?

[jdmawd]

just curious what will it take to make 386+whp on pump gas *no n20*

 

[IPT]

Are you being picky?? could it be 387 WHP??

 

[jdmawd]

no i just threw that number out there, all im really looking for is 400 total hp

 

[glenneclipsegsx]

better use race gas and turn the boost up

 

[NJGSX96]

20G or Gren. My friend Andre runs 410WHP on pump with the Green.

 

[jdmawd]

well if he makes 410 on a green, i know i can make 425 on a ETE32 it just flows better

 

[hukster00]

what injectors is he using ? 720cc or more ? just wandering

 

[DeezGst]

"well if he makes 410 on a green, i know i can make 425 on a ETE32 it just flows better"

OUCH! Don't knock it till you try it.. As mentioned above any 20G sized turbo SHOULD do the trick,with proper mods of course and tuning. Green/20G/Frank3-4/maybe even a ETA32, but we don't know yet.... But it's ok, cause I have a nice Green waiting to go on if this one doesn't live up to my expectations.

Derek

 

[Silent2g]

lots and lots and lots and lots of tuning.
and even more head aches and broken parts
1g or 2g?

 

[jdmawd]

it was a joke you know how some love to hate dsm-performance products. the ETE32 will do just fine,its just a garrett turbo mated to a mitsubishi 7cm2 exhaust housing how can it not be fast

hukster00
im running 650's they should be just fine

 

[DeezGst]

it was a joke you know how some love to hate dsm-performance products. the ETE32.

yea...MOSTLY from people who have never even owned any of there products from what I come to see..I couldn't note which direction the sarcasim was swinging.

Derek

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by jdmawd
it was a joke you know how some love to hate dsm-performance products. the ETE32 will do just fine,its just a garrett turbo mated to a mitsubishi 7cm2 exhaust housing how can it not be fast

I don’t love to hate really I don’t. I like nothing more than to see people succeed and run good times. But stupid unfounded comments like that is why there is such hate towards them. When an ete32 runs an 11.9@119 and makes 420 to the wheels on a stock 7bolt on pump gas. Or duplicated any of what the Green labels have accomplished so far let me know and I will take back everything bad I have ever said I promise.

There is a lot of people that say oh it will do it but where’s the beef? Its like all these guys in my hometown with their 500hp big blocks. Where are they? Why haven’t I seen them? Will we see them at the shootout? You seem fairly knowledgeable. Are you going to carry the dsm-performance flag? Most of the big times that I have seen have been run by level elleventy millions not by the ones that most people are buying. From everything that I have heard coming from the dsm-performance camp these things are selling like hot cakes. If that is the case than a reasonable assumption could be made that there are a lot more of these than fp turbos. If they have been out for as long as they have why haven’t we seen anything yet? I’m not trying to be a jerk believe me I would love to have a debate and not a flame war. Do you think it’s the buyers? Do you think they need more time yet?

Making 400hp on pump gas is not easy at all. Its foolish to simply say oh I can do that too. I THINK I am at or around the 400hp level. My 116 trap and weight thrown in the calculator come out to about that again it’s just a guess not dyno verified yet. But I have a really big turbo so it’s a little easier. If I am not exactly at 400hp to the wheels now I should be well over that after a bit more boost and a bit more tuning with the wideband and the datalogger.

To answer your question you To do it easily, it can sometimes be done with an avocado an ice pick and a snorkel but most of us mortals (me included) its hard to replicate what some of the big names have done.

You will need a fairly large turbo (green, 20g etc)
a big intercooler (irc etc)
plenty of fuel (650cc+ injectors, modded mas, fpr and walbro 255hp fp or preferably a supra fp)
usually headwork (ported oversized stainless valves)
or cams (preferably hks)
then some way to tune it (safc, stand alone)

There is a lot of variables in here which is what makes this tricky. This is a basic list as stated previously sometimes people can do it will less sometimes people will need more. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

 

[StockSpyder]

You dont need much to hit that number.. I did 398 with a full exhaust, cat, and unleaded fuel with only a frank2.. motor? stock except for 1g head swap and cams, just ITC and afc.. Good luck

 

[jdmawd]

rdrkt:

thank you for that extremely long anti mutt post, because that's exactly what it was *lets be real* my comment was a light hearted joke, knowing how much controversy surrounds this turbo line. don't worry about this turning into a flame war, because 90% of the members here will not entertain such pointless flame related post's and points of view. if you want to flame back and forth about mutts and green try www.dsmtalk.com just dont talk bad about forced performance they dont seem to like it. however feel free to bad mouth dsm-performance all you like, they seem to like to see that shop slammed

 

[rdrkt]

Your right anyone that disagrees with you has to be one of them my mistake. If you don’t want to debate it that’s fine I brought up some decent points didn’t get pissy or call names either. I wanted to have a friendly discussion about it that’s all. In fact I would love nothing more than to see people start doing really well. I always want DSM people to succeed. Good luck working towards your 400 fwhp goal and if you are going up to IDRC this weekend give me a shout.

 

[Axis187]

So If you all want to add a big turbo and some supporting mods what about building up the rest of the car? If you swap on a big turbo wont you all have a lot of lag? Im not a really expert on the way turbos worl but Im planning on building up my car to about 400whp and would like to cut around all the repair and replace shenanigans! Has any1 done or heard about the 2.3 litre stroker motors out there? Imagine that with a lsd, beefedup tranny and you might not need such a powerful turbo plus you would get the extra kick out of knowing youve taken a different path.

 

[rdrkt]

Yes you can add a 4g64 crank to stroke it out that is a very attractive option a lack of funds is what prevented me from doing that on my motor build maybe next time. You can also go with slightly higher compression like the 95s(8:5:10 or the evos (8:7:1) but a built motor isn’t necessary for this goal. Lag is overrated you need a big efficient turbo to make big power on pump gas. Personally I hate the venturing off the beaten path more especially when it comes to cars. More often that not you will just end up spending a lot of money and get crappy results.

 

[jdmawd]

400 HP is not hard to do at all, given that you can afford the cost to do it and make it safe here is a proven 400+ HP list

20g or larger turbo *pick one* and supporting mods 24-25'ish psi

FMIC *pick one*

ported 95 or evo exhaust manifold and ported or tubular 02 with dump tube
3" exhaust no cat from the turbo back

ported 1g head and 1 mm oversize valves

arp head studs and hks metal head gasket

je 9:1 pistons, knife edge crank and crower rods

short runner intake manifold (sheet metal)

hks,web cams 264/264

hks vpc

cold air intake pipe (very important)

lightened fly wheel (very important)

underdrive pulleys


boda.... bing! 400hp that you can drive every day no comment on the trans

this is not the only way just one way

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by jdmawd
je 9:1 pistons, knife edge crank and crower rods

Is there any particular reason you went with that piston rod combo over some of the others available? Why would you recommend a knife edged crank?

 

[jdmawd]

a knife edge crank will create less turbulence as it cuts threw the oil in the pan. less rotational drag more HP

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Also I don't think you need a sheetmetal intake or a VPC. The stock mainfold and AFC are fine but your choices just make it easier.

Later,

 

[jdmawd]

The stock mainfold and AFC are fine but your choices just make it easier

exactly,

 

[Axis187]

22-25 psi of boost and no catalytic converter I thought you meant everyday driving. I like the 9:1 compression pistons. Ive read up on raising the compression on turbocharged cars and it doesnt seem scary anymore.

 

[crankbender]

9.0:1 compression and 22-25 psi on pump gas????????

You are going to need some really low intake temps to make this work without detonation.

10.5:1 is pretty standard for non turbo cars and 9.0 is getting a little too close to that for my comfort.

 

[rayden]

if anyone would like some proof on performance by Fp green or even their budget turbo the big 28 i will post a link. and just let me tell u when u see this i dont think they have had a problem with 11's or even 9's for that matter. and check out what the big 28 did with a full weight 99 gsx. http://www.forcedperformance.net/dsm_turbo_big28.htm