should i give up on the TDO6-2 19c project?

[TERBOLASER]

Okay here it goes.... About 2 weeks ago I recieved 19c turbo ( no exhuast housing good condition you will see I polished it . I have it in my signature its my right Turbo titty.But on topic okay so I got this turbo looked sketchy I was offered a tdo7 or a tdo6 19c. I know sounds stupid to refuse a 25a and get a 19c instead but for me the 25a is to big id only run like 2lbs of boost with it if I had it. Well Any ways I wanted to rebuild it and put a front mount on my car with it along with a fuel pump. i checked it out on MHI andthe flow chart for a tdo6 housing is nice. basically when I talked to mitsubishi they said it was there attempt to make a inbetween big16 and 20g turbo. So now im all excited with it and I begin the rebuild. I found a crack in the compresor wheel so I scrapped that and the turbine wheel was huge and had a couple bent fins. No problem I had a tdo6-1 11a turbo so I took the turbine wheel out of that. Its alittle smaller than the 19c wheel. okay breathe....



Okay now I was surpised at the litte difference in the turbine wheels. So I decided id spend the 195 on a new Compressor wheel cause I deemed it worthy. And it just hit me what exhuast housing can I use to fit on it im almost done with the rebuild waiting to buy the wheel and housing. its a MHI tdo6-2 19c turbo only change is the turbine wheel is froma tdo6-1 11a not a bigg difference in size ican take pictures . But some one around here said I could fit a 14b housing on it cause the clamps are the right size but what about the turbine? my only concernis will the turbine side fit? If any one had pictures or the exhuast housing of different mitsu turbos showing the side with the o2 port and exhuast ports and the clamp sides and what the what there compressor wheels look like that would be greatly appreciated aswell as some definite for sure answers. and any ideas on how well this will work.

Sorry about the long ass post and any mispellings. Im tired and frustrated with this turbo.

 

[TERBOLASER]

No one has any comment after 39 people read this?.... You have got to be kidding me.

 

[mccurdy]

I have a 19C turbo ported and clipped 15 degree's. I got it cranked up to 21 lbs of boost on 550's, 255 lph and a SAFC2 tuned. Ive never had any problem with the turbo except for my turbo lag for the 15 degree clipping.

What exactly is the problem with yours???

 

[mccurdy]

I suggest contacting extreme motorsports who makes the 19C turbo and asking the tech's about it

 

[pneumo]

When you said,"right turbo titty" I quickly scrolled down expecting to see a photoshopped picture of Janet Jackson with her top torn off exposing a large, curvaceous TURBO!!! Either I'm very, very sick, or I'm just a typical DSMer.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

God, where do i start? In a nutshell, the 19C is a POS. ALL of the C family wheels (17c, 19c) are HORRIBLELY inefficient at any boost levels above 20psi. As for the housings, are you going to need to find a turbine housing machined out for a TD06 turbine wheel. You can use a 7cm housing off a 16G, but you need to get it machiend out to accomodate the 06 wheel.

In all honestly, get all the money you can out of that turbo, sell it, and go buy a 20G. It's gonna be cheaper in the end, and you will have a MUCH better turbo to work with.

Mike

 

[TERBOLASER]

well there is nothign wrong with it im inthe middle of the rebuild waiting on the compressor wheel 19c.i need to find an exhuast housig for it to bolt the damn thing up.every body has and there mother has a 20gand i dont plan to rum more than 20lbs withit any waysits tdo6 19c not a tdo5so how is it ineeficent after 20lbs? or do you mean just the wheels. I was told that i could take the turbine wheel and housing off a 14b or 16g and use there shaft and housing. But what will that do. how will it run bad after 20? Im interested in that if it has a nice size turbine wheel on it say a tdo6 wheel that comes with the 11a sure c style wheels are in effeicient to some degree but in a big turbo like that I dont think its that it gets that way at 20. 14bs pretty much loose worht after 17lbs.

Comments please in for me cause I wanna know.

 

[TERBOLASER]

Frankenstein Junior combines a 16G-like TD05H 7 cm exhaust (turbine) housing with a bored-out TD05H compressor housing and a 19C compressor wheel. (Note the 19C wheel and bored-out compressor housing okay I just read that on extreme motorsports now so what turbine wheel does the 16g have on it. I heard that all the tdo5h turbos have the same turbine wheel just different compressor wheels. So here is th question isnt the 14b turbine wheel and theand the 16g turbine wheel the same size just different compressor housing s and wheel. center sections are the same? How does that work.? well im gunna call extreme motor sports and ask thanks to yall helping keep posting stuff. o yea my turbo isnt a frank jr 19c its a Mitsubishi heavy industries TDO6-2 19c. the original . better flowing compressor housing yall are talking about the tdo5h one bored out.but im thinking hybrid with a tdo5h wheel.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by TERBOLASER
well there is nothign wrong with it im inthe middle of the rebuild waiting on the compressor wheel 19c.i need to find an exhuast housig for it to bolt the damn thing up.every body has and there mother has a 20gand i dont plan to rum more than 20lbs withit any waysits tdo6 19c not a tdo5so how is it ineeficent after 20lbs? or do you mean just the wheels. I was told that i could take the turbine wheel and housing off a 14b or 16g and use there shaft and housing. But what will that do. how will it run bad after 20? Im interested in that if it has a nice size turbine wheel on it say a tdo6 wheel that comes with the 11a sure c style wheels are in effeicient to some degree but in a big turbo like that I dont think its that it gets that way at 20. 14bs pretty much loose worht after 17lbs.

Comments please in for me cause I wanna know.

The "C" family of compressor wheels are very inefficient. They heat the air up too much as it compresses it and pushes through the intake tract. The 14b and 16G both use a TD05H turbine wheel. Yes, you can take one off there if you need it.

The turbine wheel determines your top end and lag amt. The compressor wheel usually determines the efficiency. When you look at turbo compressor maps, you only see them for compressor wheels. The design/placement of the blades determines how a specific wheel will act in a given environment. It's a known fact the C family of wheels aren't very efficient. Meaning the higher the boost level, the hotter theintake charge is going to be.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by TERBOLASER
Frankenstein Junior combines a 16G-like TD05H 7 cm exhaust (turbine) housing with a bored-out TD05H compressor housing and a 19C compressor wheel. (Note the 19C wheel and bored-out compressor housing okay I just read that on extreme motorsports now so what turbine wheel does the 16g have on it. I heard that all the tdo5h turbos have the same turbine wheel just different compressor wheels. So here is th question isnt the 14b turbine wheel and theand the 16g turbine wheel the same size just different compressor housing s and wheel. center sections are the same? How does that work.? well im gunna call extreme motor sports and ask thanks to yall helping keep posting stuff. o yea my turbo isnt a frank jr 19c its a Mitsubishi heavy industries TDO6-2 19c. the original . better flowing compressor housing yall are talking about the tdo5h one bored out.but im thinking hybrid with a tdo5h wheel.

OK, TD05H refers to the turbine wheel. TD04 (1G turbo automatic, 13G comp. wheel), TD05h (14b/16g/18G/20G), TD06 (TRUE 20G, Frank 4+5), TD06H (FP Green, Red), TD07 (25G) are all turbine wheels. Yes, the 14b and 16g have the same turbine wheel and same chra (20G has same CHRA as well, just diff. comp. wheel (also diff. turbine wheel if you get a td06 20G).

Honestly, stay away from the C wheel stuff. It's not used by a lot of people for a reason. Being different doesn't always mean being better.

 

[TERBOLASER]

welli know the air gets hot thats why invested mony in a huge front mount and a Ntercoolersystem I have a co2 sprayeer right now on my 14b alone. but im saying its not going to be any where near as in effeicent as the 14b I have now. the 14b I have is pretty usless past 17 right now so how is a much bigger turbo a tdo6-2 mitsu hevy industries gunna be just as efficient?that allim thing yes it will be in efficient just not on the level that yall are presenting to me( It isnt ineffiecent from the first pound of boost to the last. at a certain level it begins to becom inefficient). I understand whatyour saying bu I dont think it will be on the same level. I mean extreme technologies wouldnt have made the turbo if it wasnt worth buying I thik its a better turbo than abig 16 in my opion it flows more cfm doesnt it onthe compresso maps. and it has a housing that flows better to. Lol maybe im just stupid?but I got a feeling about it and its almost done
and with the exhuast housing problem solved its whole lot cheaper to get this than a 16 or a 20g. I could put a 20g wheel in it if I wanted to it fits in the housing . but I just dont wanna chance it.and I can get the 19c wheel cheaper? its not to be different persay. Just going with what I have but from what yall have said I should just quit.

 

[pneumo]

You should be able to find a turbine housing for cheap at www.bullseye-power.com
they have housings for internal and external wastegates.

If you want to keep going with that turbo you should build up the engine to make it's power at around 18 to 20 psi of boost. Doing stuff like cams, sheet metal intake manifold, stroker motor, and a big intercooler will all help make power with less boost. The one thing the 19c has going for it is it's ability to push massive ammounts of air, it just can't do it at high boost levels.

On the other hand, if you want a turbo that makes good power without all those expensive supporting mods, quit the 19c project and get a proven turbo.

A 20G or a 50 trim would make a really nice turbo titty!

 

[TERBOLASER]

19c is a proven turbo!!!! Extreme motor sports makes them. they are on mitsubishi heavy industries websiteand flow mapps for the housing s and such. they are proven which is why im suprised that yall all saiud it was highly inefficent. yea i want to get the full HP out of it. but i dont think its as in efficient as yall say. it should go ineffiecient after at least 30 lbs. cause you gotta think about what its orriginal apllication was for. The Fuso boxtruck. which is heavy to begin with then it getts loaded all the time. so mitsubishi made the turbo to be able to boost enough to carry a fully loaded to its max capacity. Those trucks boost like 25-40lbs stock. to handle that load? why would mitsubishi make a turbo thats inefficent and put it on a box truck that requires high boost. dont make sense why would it be inefficent at 18lbs a damn 14b can handle that.

 

[pneumo]

whups, sorry, didn't mean to upset you.

where did you see the compressor map for the 19c? I wouldn't mind checking it out.

 

[TERBOLASER]

MHI I have to find it yall didnt up set me im trying to get second opions but its not gunna change my direction now that its easier to do it now. But out of all the peole who said something who actually has had and driven on a 19c other than going off that since its a c style wheel its worthless and g style is the onyl way to go? well i think thats it
thanks yall

www.mhi.co
I think thats it

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by TERBOLASER
19c is a proven turbo!!!! Extreme motor sports makes them. they are on mitsubishi heavy industries websiteand flow mapps for the housing s and such. they are proven which is why im suprised that yall all saiud it was highly inefficent. yea i want to get the full HP out of it. but i dont think its as in efficient as yall say. it should go ineffiecient after at least 30 lbs. cause you gotta think about what its orriginal apllication was for. The Fuso boxtruck. which is heavy to begin with then it getts loaded all the time. so mitsubishi made the turbo to be able to boost enough to carry a fully loaded to its max capacity. Those trucks boost like 25-40lbs stock. to handle that load? why would mitsubishi make a turbo thats inefficent and put it on a box truck that requires high boost. dont make sense why would it be inefficent at 18lbs a damn 14b can handle that.

Proven by WHO?????????? Go look at www.dsmtimes.org and find me a 19C/17C turbo that has posted anything remotely close to a decent timeslip, that an avg. 16G couldn't put down. It is inefficient at anything above 20psi. Sure it will flow air past 20psi, but it will be very hot air. You will gain very little by running that much boost, if any, because the hot intake temps will offset the increased airflow.

Those trucks ran larger displament engines, so they didn't need to run higher boost levels to make the same hp. They do NOT run 25-40psi stock. Those are DIESEL boost levels, not gasoline engines. You need to either get your shit straight and listen to the people that know their shit, or just ignore everyone, quit posting on here and do what you want.

But before you choose the latter (because I know you will), just call up Robert Young at Forced Performance (prolly one of the most knowledgable turbo builders in the business for our cars) and ask him what he thinks about the 17/19C wheels. Then i'll post a quick little blurb by him with his opinion on the 17/19C.

Thank you

 

[hoffman]

Originally posted by TERBOLASER
19c is a proven turbo!!!! Extreme motor sports makes them. they are on mitsubishi heavy industries websiteand flow mapps for the housing s and such. they are proven which is why im suprised that yall all saiud it was highly inefficent. yea i want to get the full HP out of it. but i dont think its as in efficient as yall say. it should go ineffiecient after at least 30 lbs. cause you gotta think about what its orriginal apllication was for. The Fuso boxtruck. which is heavy to begin with then it getts loaded all the time. so mitsubishi made the turbo to be able to boost enough to carry a fully loaded to its max capacity. Those trucks boost like 25-40lbs stock. to handle that load? why would mitsubishi make a turbo thats inefficent and put it on a box truck that requires high boost. dont make sense why would it be inefficent at 18lbs a damn 14b can handle that.

Extreme doesn't make anything except Extremely well built pieces of overpriced shit. They aren't their turbos. They are junk yard rebuilds. If it was such a proven turbo why don't more people run them? Why do people stick to the "G" series turbo?

NOSLO2PT0 is absolutly right. Ask Rob. I'll be here on the edge of my seat awaiting your reply.

 

[lord_gufi]

... go back to english class, Listen to what they are telling you, and Please post cognitivly.

 

[TERBOLASER]

Well thanks that what I came here for to be informed I asked valid question im not here just have stuff yall say go in one ear and out the other. I have taken stuff in to account like price what i could get for the same price and such. I understand that it is a c wheel i couldnt believe it to be as bad as 14b wheel. extreme tech doenst make junk yard turbos they make hybrids? they make some good turbos as well. no one need to get really heated off this post. at all. sorry about misspellings especially the word inefficent( I know I murdered it all through this post)
I mean i told yall I was thinking of going 20g cause the wheel whill fit I just gotta find one. And my bad I didnt realize deisel boost was way different than gas engines do . Im not a tech I was making a comparison. toget yall opinions. but I mean I want to know what makes the c style wheel so in efficent? It looks like one has more blades than the other (g styles have less and are big small big small.)I was really lookingto hear about how people ran the turbo, people like Mccurdy tell me how there's worked I got about 5 people pm about it and yes they all said they would rather have a 50 trim and 20g over the 19c. yall said its usless after 20lbs? right well I never run more 17-18lbs due to fear of lifting my head off. When ever I plan to Go super high boost I will buy another turbo. Probably a 20g or a full garret. Im sorta looking at this in engineering problem solving stand point. Looking at what is given for instance the budget, time frame, what im trying to accomplish,what my max boost will be( actually used not on the turbo), etc. all im getting at is on my level its not inefficent. it will flow a good amount of air at low boost. Im not going higher than that 20lbs. and I dont get boost hapy. Sorry if I upset any one sorry for the second time about misspelling and grammatical errors. You allhave actually helped just because yall didnt hear what yall wanted ( drop the 19c and get a 20g) doesnt mean that yall didnt help and that i didnt listen. I have 3 turbos so if and when I get tired of this turbo I can go And sell it and use the money to help me get a 20g. for now this is wat i got thanks for the help.

 

[TERBOLASER]

Forced performance ask him if the 20g wheel will fitin the same housing as the 19c wheel. If it will ill gladly put that in housing. they cost the same amount on forced performance. if it will fit in the tdo6-2 thats a bet.

 

[TERBOLASER]

Wait asecond sorta make sense in way. why mitsubishi would put a turbo that charges hot air on a deisel. wouldnt that help on deisel truck in theory?. deisel workalot different from gas motors. deisel need that hot air to make there job of combusting deisel with out spark easier. So if hotter air is coming in( hot charge) wouldnt it detonate alot easier than a cold charge air deisel? cause im thinking when a deisel cylinder compresses the deisel and air it gets hot. when it compresses the gases and it get hot enough they ignite.so wouldnt that help on a deisel car or truck?

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

yall said its usless after 20lbs? right well I never run more 17-18lbs due to fear of lifting my head off.

Hell, if that's all you wanted to run, you could have just bought a new EVO III 16G and ran a turbo that actually made some power. AND you could turn the boost past 20psi on race gas and make even MORE power if you want. None of this junkyard turbo rebuilding shit. Also, you dont start getting into head gasket/head lifting problems until you run a bigger turbo at 25+psi. 20psi on any turbo (well, anything smaller than a T4) isn't gonna tax the stock head bolts at all.

Give up on this project, go buy an EVO III 16G, or follow one of your own suggestions. Go buy the 20G wheel, and finish your Frankenstein project. And learn some grammar and punctuation.

 

[TERBOLASER]

Its not a junkyard turbo it was run on a dsm before I Thanks for all the help. I am thinking on what yall have said. Sorry if I upset anyone but its the only way to learn about dsms, taking chances and asking questions and waiting to be corrected. Yea about proven I mean in flow charts and stuff not track runs. and the 19c isnt on thereso there is no comparison on there with them who says you cant run 12 second run with a 19. shoot if they are doing 11s with a 14b ( same style wheel 16 blades all same size) why not with a 19c that flows more air at the same boost. 14b air gets hot doesnt it? after looking at dsm time on that link it made me realize it isnt really just a turbo alone that get you good time and power. its tuning and the tuners driving skills. Ive seen 20gs that are slow unfortunatley. but thanks for all the help I learned alot

 

[hoffman]

Originally posted by TERBOLASER
Sorry if I upset anyone but its the only way to learn about dsms, taking chances and asking questions and waiting to be corrected.

Its a "been there, done that" thing. DSMs have been raced and built on for the better part of 14 years. There is very little chances taken now. We stick to what has been proven over and over again.

Originally posted by TERBOLASER
Yea about proven I mean in flow charts and stuff not track runs. and the 19c isnt on thereso there is no comparison on there with them who says you cant run 12 second run with a 19.

See above. There is a reason there are no times listed. It was done along time ago and was learned very quickly this doesn't work. Its the same principle as running a T25 at higher than 15psi. It doesnt work, not for our cars and not for that turbo.

Originally posted by TERBOLASER
shoot if they are doing 11s with a 14b ( same style wheel 16 blades all same size) why not with a 19c that flows more air at the same boost. 14b air gets hot doesnt it? after looking at dsm time on that link it made me realize it isnt really just a turbo alone that get you good time and power. its tuning and the tuners driving skills. Ive seen 20gs that are slow unfortunatley. but thanks for all the help I learned alot

Its a lot about tuning and driver skill. All turbos have a limit. Design plays a big part. Its all about knowing what you can do with a particular turbo.

The bottom line is stick to a proven forumla. You maybe thinking you trying something new, but 9 times out of 10, its already been tried.

Search engines and archives are your friend.

 

[TERBOLASER]

good point thanks. Ill post how it all comes out later on does any one know the fastest 19c time? I just want o know ?