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Eclipse Center Tail (ECLIPSE) Illumination

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InfiniteGSX

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Dec 10, 2002
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Some people have been asking me to make one, and honestly its not worth it to have me do it. Its really easy to do. You ever oven bake your headlights or tail lights? I do all the time to mod headlights or tail lights for someone.

There are 5 10mm bolts holding the center tail in place. Undo those and pull it.

PreHeat the oven to 250. Place the center tail inside on a metal pan... like a cookie sheet, on the bolts so the plastic doesn't get to hot. Leave it in for a few minutes, but keep an eye... you want it to be too hot to touch with your hand, but not soo hot it melts ya know.

Then you need to pull the part out and quickly work to separate the red lens with the body. The center tails weren't given much thought like the tails and headlights were. So it should be extremely easy. However be careful, I'd hate for you to damage your tail. But if you do, its cheap at the local yard.

Next you need to get yourself some sand paper. I chose the Sponge Prep Sand Blocks... They are soo easy to handle. Get a heavy grit. You'll notice on the inside of the Red Lens, there is a silver reflective coating. You need to sand this down. Try to go as far down as possible. To get more light. To get more of an LED Look, sand it down to where there are tons of red dots.

Next, your going to have purchase some reflective paint. AutoZone sells this stuff. The type of paint that if you point a light at it, it reflects back really bright. Find something white, or silver. Non of that Amber or red crap. And you need to spray the inside of the Black base of the 3rd Brake Light. I laid mine with aluminum foil, that was a mistake! You could also use white paint... but that just doesn't look good enough. So for best results use the reflective paint. And before you go onto the next step, please make sure you let the paint dry so you can adhere stuff to it.

Next, your going to have to order an LED Strip from Ebay. You need one that is a little longer then double the length of the Center Tail. If you've seen the LED Gauge Cluster mods in here, thats what your going to do. Your going to wrap the LED Strip up inside. Get some Double Sided Tape or Hot Glue to stick it to the edges. Try to expand out as much as you can and make sure its up against the back.

You can stick the wire for this in one of the holes on the bottom.

Next is the hard part. If your center tail still has the ECLIPSE badge on it, PERFECT! Its also nice if you got a finner grit sand paper for paint prep... but if not, thats ok, just might cause problems in the end. Leave the letters on. And sand the outside surface to get a good scuff out of it, try to get as close to the letters as possible.

Next you have to make a choice of what color you want it to be. Since you have a red car, I'd assume your going to use a matching red paint. Once you've made your choice, make sure the surface you prepped is clean and your in a good clean area. Start spraying even coats on the face. Don't worry about the letters yet. Just make sure you get a few good coats on, if not your going to have issues with light flowing through the paint. If you want to prevent this entirely, buy some black primer and start out with this first... Then you can go over the black primer with the base coat (red if thats what you chose). Make sure you do even coats, following the instructions on the cans, you don't want any runs...

Once the paint has dried, the hard part emerges. Your going to have to peal the letters off. I used a small but very sharp knife. You have to be super careful, stick the knife under the letter and start to pull up on it. You might get very unlucky and the letter will come off and leave the sticky stuff. This is annoying! Cause it just makes the process soo much harder. But do not rush anything. If the paint didn't stick enough, it will stick to the letters and peal with the letters and this we do not want. A way to completely prevent that will be to take a razor, pref. an X-acto knife and go around the base of the letters, cutting the paint so when you peal, the paint is already cut and wont come up with the paint.

Once you get the letters off... your almost finished. Hold the piece up high to the light and watch the letters shine on through.

I recommend going over it now with a clear coat. Makes it look soo much nicer and protects the letters from chipping as you wash the car or anything of the sort.

Now you just have to snap the lens and the base back together, put the 5 10mm bolts back on and tighten up. And wire the led's into whatever source you see fit. Pontiac Fiero's have something similar that say PONTIAC in the back, it turns on with the Ignition wire. I wired the Spyders up to the Parking Lights. The White GST is wired to the Ignition... I think wiring it to the ignition is nicer. If your at a drive thru at night, don't have your lights on but the ignition is on to listen to the radio, everyone gets to see the nice ass of your car.

Some cool tricks is to go over this with VHT if your going to use VHT on your tail lights... Light still shines through, but you can't tell it says ECLIPSE until the light lights up. thats something new I wanna try out on the White GST's center tail.

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I hope this has been Informative.
 
Great guide, I think I might make one that just says DSM or something...

You can, I forgot to mention that in the guide... cause I'm doing something like that now with something that has no letters. a 1g Talon rear end. If your center tail is already debadged... get a Vinyl! paint shops, Pimp My Ride, tons of places use vinyl as masks for paint. Go to a sticker sh op and get a vinyl made to say what you want. The new ECLIPSE letters. To say TALON, DSM, AWD, anything like that... place it and then follow the guide. I'm doing a 1G pretty soon to say TALON in the back, and were VHT'ing it...
 
Lol I baked my spare center tail in the oven a while back, be carefull of old school small ovens! I melted the bottom left edge and it dented in. Luckily my uncle used to do body work. We put on some fiberglass resin and fixed er all up. Still sitting in my room waiting to be painted. Canada's weather sucks!, just snowed again a few days ago WTF
By the way my center tail is going to be black with black letters and a chrome ring arounf the letters :D
 
And you need to spray the inside of the Black base of the 3rd Brake Light. .

Awesome write-up, I plan on doing this soon. Couple questions. When you say spray the inside of the 3rd brake light, did you mean the inside of the black piece that you seperated? With the LED strip, do you just basically loop it around and place it on the black plastic piece?
 
Yes. To your question. The black plastic peice, the main base that the red lens attaches to, you want to make it reflective for the best light distribution. And yes with the LED's... IF you look at the LED Gauge Cluster Conversions, the same way... You dont want the led's to point towards the red lens, you want the LED's to point at each other so the reflective paint will cause a bright glow so the Light will shine through the lens at a good bright intensity. You can play around with it till you get the proper light... I was going to do this, and then add another light pointing directly at the lens so I can have it get brighter when I hit the brakes.

No I have not done a 2G Talon. If its anything like a 1G Talon center tail, your screwed! Its almost impossible. Right behind the amber on the center tail is this molded metal peice that its glued to... Its f'n ghey. Cause I wanted to do it to my talon.
 
Some cool tricks is to go over this with VHT if your going to use VHT on your tail lights... Light still shines through, but you can't tell it says ECLIPSE until the light lights up. thats something new I wanna try out on the White GST's center tail.

i plan on doing this to my car VERY soon. i am going to use the VHT nightshade on the lights, and was going to do the same with the center. got to reading this, tho, and decided that it would be cool to make it solid black so that u can't see the eclipse unless the break light is on. with that said, here is what i was thinking of doing. let me know what you think. i was going to use a black primer with the lettering still on, let it dry, remove the lettering, spray the VHT on top of it, then clear over it. this way the light will ONLY shine through the eclipse lettering and would still only be visible when the break lights are on. you think that would look alright with the primer under it?

also i have a question about the lighting. i am going to be eliminating my spoiler which has a 3rd break light in it. would i be able to move the lights in that and use them in the middle piece with the reflective paint rather than buying new LED's?
 
also i have a question about the lighting. i am going to be eliminating my spoiler which has a 3rd break light in it. would i be able to move the lights in that and use them in the middle piece with the reflective paint rather than buying new LED's?

You can crack open the third brake light housing and get just the red LEDs strips out to use them. I would try to mount them at the bottom pointing up and see how well that lights it up. You may want to spray the inner back of the housing silver or bright white to help reflect the light evenly. You could also lay some flourescent light grid plastic at an angle across the gap between the lens and the housing to catch some of the light that is shining up.

Don't forget you will also need to tap into the 3rd brake light wire from behind the driver's side rear panel and pull a new wire into the center housing to light up the strip.
 
You can crack open the third brake light housing and get just the red LEDs strips out to use them. I would try to mount them at the bottom pointing up and see how well that lights it up. You may want to spray the inner back of the housing silver or bright white to help reflect the light evenly. You could also lay some flourescent light grid plastic at an angle across the gap between the lens and the housing to catch some of the light that is shining up.

Don't forget you will also need to tap into the 3rd brake light wire from behind the driver's side rear panel and pull a new wire into the center housing to light up the strip.

i plan on using a silver reflective paint on the inner back of the housing.

as far as using the black primer on the face, and then spraying the night shade and clear over it after the lettering is removed, do u think this will look alright? i plan on testing it on an extra fog light i have laying around.
 
Just tried this with my center section and I am not too happy with the results.

two questions, you mention aluminum foil was a mistake - why? I used foil, contact cement and rolled it smooth, are you saying paint reflects more?
What light strip did you used? I got 2 48 led strips from ebay and doubled them up and it is not bright enough...
 
If you use Silver or white paint or reflective paint yes ofcourse. Chrome isn't reflective in the right way. And Aluminum foil is practically chrome. It will only reflect a certain way. Notice how a reflector on your car reflects light, the entire thing looks lit up. Chrome will not do that, chrome will only reflect a mirror image of whats being pointed at it. So you'll get horrible lighting. Use White, Silver, or a reflective white/silver paint to get the best light distribution.

We used only half of what your using and pointed the LED's Up to make the entire inside of the lense light up bright. We didn't point the LED's towards the "ECLIPSE" cut outs.
 
Well now that I have another Eclipse, Black AWD :) I'm making another one!
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However with this one I plan on clear coating it after!
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So this won't work on a Talon you say? There is a chrome piece in the center taillight? Couldn't I just cut that piece out??
 
Well I'm not exactly sure on 2gb talons since I've never played with the insides. But 1gb Talons are pretty similar. Behind the plastic lens is a metal bracket. The Eclipse tail lights are a whole unit. 24x5x2" case. You could spray paint over like I just did, and pull the Talon Logo/Sticker off. But As for illumination I'm not sure.

Its not a chrome piece. Its a reflective paint. You have to sand it down so the lens is transparent.

However now that I think about it I have seen someone do something else. I'm not sure how they pulled it off but they prob used EL Glow Wire and they outlined the letters but inside the unit. I forgot where I seen it, maybe it was on here. Or maybe it was in town.

you just have to be creative!
 
Ah, I had something like this planned for my car. I think you did see it on here before, I've seen it too on here, it's in someone's avatar, theirs is glowing amber though. I plan to make mine glow red. :cool:
 
...i did something the same on my old 2g Talon, but on the brake light...i think i have posted this before somewhere.


With the light off...
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...and on. Pretty badass!
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did it with a sticker on the lens itsself...painted over with paint...removed sticker...then light layer of VHT. Easy stuff!!

My new Talon is most likely getting...Pedobear. ha
 

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did it with a sticker on the lens itsself...painted over with paint...removed sticker...then light layer of VHT. Easy stuff!!

That was my new Idea....
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I don't have a light yet, I'm only using a flash light to see what its like. But I do plan on installing 3 24" long LED Strips totaling up to 180LED's directly behind it. Should be pretty sick! Going to wire them into the ignition so they turn on with the car. Just like Pontiac!

My initial Review of this new Tint paint from Rustoleum, OVERKILL! But much cheaper than VHT. VHT you can go thin, this you can't. Its instant dark! I did my test subject first, side markers.

Lighting:
I'm thinking of some of these...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Whit...ccessories&hash=item3f0323b954#ht_4283wt_1048

Just because of the price and its perfect sized. But Prob going to order a crap load. And try to load up the inside with as many as I can. Prob wont be more than 6 tho. 3 in the surround, 3 on the base.

Anyone have a good idea on kick ass illumination?

***EDIT***Actually I think I came up with a good idea.... using 5 LED Strips. Going to use some of that actual reflective paint, the shit that reflects light back ten fold! It spreads the light pretty good. So Above the ECLIPSE and below the ECLIPSE I'll stick a strip of the LEDS on the actual lens pointing toward the back of the housing that was painted with the reflective paint. Then on the housing itself, two on the top wrapping around to the sides, and one on the bottom making a complete circular pattern. That should be the best way I think to get clear, bright light without any hot spots.
 
So this won't work on a Talon you say? There is a chrome piece in the center taillight? Couldn't I just cut that piece out??

Yes it can.
Go to the appearance section on DSMTalk, IIRC it's a sticky.
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Almost completely invisible! Gonna clear coat it more with real clear coat to get it high gloss. Maybe it will get rid of the bumps around the letters. :)
 
Back in the day we took a clear set apart and used the stock 3rd brake led light and installed in the housing. It work great to light it up. When I say clear I don't mean Altezza I mean the real all clears.
 
Just sold the only spare set of clear tails I had to a guy at the beginning of summer....they were off of a local show car, and literally had never seen rain let alone the elements. They were as new as used could possibly be. I'm sort-of kicking myself because I've yet to find a set in the same condition.

Right now I only have the ones listed in my avatar pic, and if I'd get rear-ended or something it's back to stock tails for me I guess.
 
Hmm, I have a set of the clear tails on my car, been thinking about putting the stock tails back on and selling the clears.
 
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