Subs

[jayman089]

Hey guys, I have a guy at work who has two 12 inch subs and a box. He said he'll sell it all for 150, now I don't think they are very good subs but would it make like a big difference if I got them for this cheap. He said they were something that starts with an "I". What should I be careul about getting these? If they are like low quality, what does that mean, I mean I'm not gonna enter like competitions and stuff, I just need that extra kick of bass. So you guys think I should do it, no matter what kinda of subs they are? Anyone know what kind of subs he may have? I think it might have been like Infiniti. No clue. I kind of rambled on but basically, should I get these or not?

 

[drivemusicnow]

Hey guys, I have a guy at work who has two 12 inch subs and a box. He said he'll sell it all for 150, now I don't think they are very good subs but would it make like a big difference if I got them for this cheap. He said they were something that starts with an "I". What should I be careul about getting these? If they are like low quality, what does that mean, I mean I'm not gonna enter like competitions and stuff, I just need that extra kick of bass. So you guys think I should do it, no matter what kinda of subs they are? Anyone know what kind of subs he may have? I think it might have been like Infiniti. No clue. I kind of rambled on but basically, should I get these or not?

Wow...


First of all figure out what sub (yes Infinity is a brand) and MODEL they are. 2 12s and box for 150$ seems somewhat reasonable, but just go with something you like the sound of. listen to music you like in his car and see what they're like.

You also have to consider what amp you're going to use to power them.

You should do more research before you put your money into any sound equip.

 

[jayman089]

I'm going to try and figure out the specs of everything and get back on here with it all. What are some important things that I should look for?

 

[sk8shorty01]

The max RMS the speakers can handle, the name and model of the speakers. Are the single voice coil or double. Thats about the most you will need to know for what you are going for. Just post up what you find out and someone can help you figure out if those speakers are right for you.

 

[Chuckster]

Wear and tear is a major factor with speakers too, especially subwoofers. Have the speakers pushed toward full excursion (played loud) and listen for mechanical noise that indicates a problem.

 

[sk8shorty01]

excursion is the amount of flex that the speaker has up and down as it is playing music, and yes that is very important. If you push on the speaker face with your two index fingers it should move up and down with very little noise, or interference. when you get these speakers make sure you do not play them until you hook them up because excursion when the speaker is not in a sealed container is almost always too much for the speaker to handle. Just not sure if you knew that or not, so dont do it

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

Damn and somehow I cant sell two alpine subs and a box for 150 and a no name brand subs people pick up. argh!

 

[sk8shorty01]

what size are those alpines. I can put them up on my own personal website if you send me some pictures. That is if you dont mind. The website is TIECC.net

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

what size are those alpines. I can put them up on my own personal website if you send me some pictures. That is if you dont mind. The website is TIECC.net

Sorry, trying to follow the rules and ill keep it to pm.

 

[NitroTalon]

usualy posed on the subs is the max and usualy 1/2 of that is the rms, i would say dont get anything that is less than 300 rms (600 watts max) , but make sure you get a good amp to power. make sure the amp will produce enough power for the subs

 

[jayman089]

Ok, so I saw everything I might be getting today. Its just a regular box with the holes for the subs facing up at like a 45* angle. And both subs have not been opened and are is still in the original boxes and all. On the boxes, it said 1240W Infinity subwoofers. So I'm guess they are these http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15549 . Should I go for it?? I might be making the deal tomorrow. If I should, any recommendations on a good amp? Oh and he also said he has some wires and stuff at his house that he could try and find for me.

 

[AndrewD5418]

If you listen to rap, stop. If you listen to rock/metal, don't get them. If you want your car to be fast, don't put in subwoofers. Subwoofers are just an annoyance to other drivers, or people trying to sleep. Most of my friends that got subwoofers, two years later got sick of them and got rid of them, or want to.

 

[drivemusicnow]

If you listen to rap, stop. If you listen to rock/metal, don't get them. If you want your car to be fast, don't put in subwoofers. Subwoofers are just an annoyance to other drivers, or people trying to sleep. Most of my friends that got subwoofers, two years later got sick of them and got rid of them, or want to.

... seriously, just don't say things when they offer no helpful advice or insight. It's obvious you don't know much about audio, or music. First, learn how to listen to more than one type of music. Second, try listening to a GOOD audio system, in which all freqs are respresented correctly. Third, not everyone listens to music irresponsibly, so assuming that all subwoofers are just an annoyance to other drivers and neighborhoods is just dumb. I have 1900 watts worth of audio equipment in my SVX... I have also never heard a complaint about it. why? Because I sound deadened my car, I listen responsibly, and I prefer sound quality over distortion/ghetto boom. And yes, I know that I'm not the norm, but comments like that piss true audio enthusiasts off more than anything else.



Those infinities are pretty clean woofers.... If those are in fact the ones hes selling you, its a great deal. find a 600W by 1 channel at 1 ohm amp for them, wire the speakers in series and you'll be set, you'll have to probably get a line converter to convert your amped speaker wires into a signal level line.

My suggestion would be to upgrade the headunit at the same time and use RCA cables for the signal, but if you can't afford that right now, the line converter will work.

 

[AndrewD5418]

... seriously, just don't say things when they offer no helpful advice or insight. It's obvious you don't know much about audio, or music. First, learn how to listen to more than one type of music. Second, try listening to a GOOD audio system, in which all freqs are respresented correctly. Third, not everyone listens to music irresponsibly, so assuming that all subwoofers are just an annoyance to other drivers and neighborhoods is just dumb. I have 1900 watts worth of audio equipment in my SVX... I have also never heard a complaint about it. why? Because I sound deadened my car, I listen responsibly, and I prefer sound quality over distortion/ghetto boom. And yes, I know that I'm not the norm, but comments like that piss true audio enthusiasts off more than anything else.



Those infinities are pretty clean woofers.... If those are in fact the ones hes selling you, its a great deal. find a 600W by 1 channel at 1 ohm amp for them, wire the speakers in series and you'll be set, you'll have to probably get a line converter to convert your amped speaker wires into a signal level line.

My suggestion would be to upgrade the headunit at the same time and use RCA cables for the signal, but if you can't afford that right now, the line converter will work.

Lol "audio or music" . Watts mean jack. And uhh.. Audio enthusiasts.. First time I've heard that. I like the term audiophile more. Fact is subwoofers are useless if you listen to good non wigger music.

 

[tom04841]

Fact is subwoofers are useless if you listen to good non wigger music.

WOW....music is music. Some have different preferences than others. Just because you don't like rap, don't bash it. If you don't like subs, state that and move on. Don't make comments like the one above....all it does is show your intelligence

Those infinities are pretty clean woofers.... If those are in fact the ones hes selling you, its a great deal. find a 600W by 1 channel at 1 ohm amp for them, wire the speakers in series and you'll be set

I think you mean parallel. Wiring (4) 4 ohms voice coils in parallel will yeild a 1 ohm load.

 

[LunarEclips]

Damn and somehow I cant sell two alpine subs and a box for 150 and a no name brand subs people pick up. argh!

haha, i know what your talking about.....i was trying to sell two BRAND NEW Kicker Comp 12's for 200$...

 

[drivemusicnow]

Lol "audio or music" . Watts mean jack. And uhh.. Audio enthusiasts.. First time I've heard that. I like the term audiophile more. Fact is subwoofers are useless if you listen to good non wigger music.

Audio... ie. the means of which you reproduce the sound
Music... ie. what you are listening too.

Watts mean "jack"? Yes the industry overplays the significance of power handling but it DOES have significance.

Audio enthusiast... As a true audiophile, I will not connect everyone who likes car audio into a category that only one in one thousand actually belong to. Anyone who has an interest can be an audio enthusiast... you have to actually hear the differences and have the money to be an audiophile.

The fact is there is an entire frequency range in most music. You've obviously not listened to much music on a GOOD audio setup or you would not make such comments.


As far as wiring them, Tom you are correct, mental slip.

 

[jayman089]

Any actual suggestions of amps to use? ie. different manufacturers?

*edit* Oh and I did previously upgrade my head unit

 

[bmason]

if u have ever been to a concert u will notice all music has bass


i sometimes listen to bluegrass on my sub anmd ity sounds fine


i know someone with 2 12 subs with only 200 watts to both of them and he hits 137 db on a sealed box

so realy watts means nothin its more like matching your sub and amp and thats what realy counts


yes once u wanna get into like 145+ db u might want alot more power but its not always watts to get a loud ass system

 

[drivemusicnow]

if u have ever been to a concert u will notice all music has bass


i sometimes listen to bluegrass on my sub anmd ity sounds fine


i know someone with 2 12 subs with only 200 watts to both of them and he hits 137 db on a sealed box

so realy watts means nothin its more like matching your sub and amp and thats what realy counts


yes once u wanna get into like 145+ db u might want alot more power but its not always watts to get a loud ass system

True but power handling does have significance as far as speaker design goes. Typically audio companies try to use it as just a "gauge" of how loud speakers are, which is not true, like you said.

As far as amps go, I'd go with any of the following for a budget buy:
phoenix gold
MTX
directed audio
viper
dei

etc... there are TONS of amps out there, check ebay, and ikesound for good deals

 

[sk8shorty01]

One of the biggest effects on the sound, and also how loud the system hits is the box. With a box that is built correctly (means no turbulance or "leaks") and to the specs of the speakers then the system should sound good. You have to get a box that is just right for the speakers and your sound will be so much better. Wattage does matter, and all types of music can benifit from the additive of subwoofers in the trunk, but I believe that all types of music go down when you have a system that sounds like crap and vibrates everything. If the car is equiped with sound deadening and the box is right, the music will sound good.

 

[LunarEclips]

True but power handling does have significance as far as speaker design goes. Typically audio companies try to use it as just a "gauge" of how loud speakers are, which is not true, like you said.

As far as amps go, I'd go with any of the following for a budget buy:
phoenix gold
MTX
directed audio
viper
dei

etc... there are TONS of amps out there, check ebay, and ikesound for good deals

First off, Viper, DEI, and Directed Audio are all the same company...

Second, "Viper", only makes alarms not amps....

And actually (sorry to stereotype "people" in general but from actually owning a small car audio buisiness this is my conclusion).... budget for most people now and days going in best to worst order (in my opinion):

Audiobahn (my favorite "cheapest" amps w/ style)
DEI (such as Orion, Directed Audio (AKA DEI), Cerwin Vega etc etc...)
Massive Audio
Performance Teknique
Kenwood
Lightning Audio
Sony
Pioneer
and the list goes on to useless no names......

 

[sk8shorty01]

Audiobahn (my favorite "cheapest" amps w/ style)
DEI (such as Orion, Directed Audio (AKA DEI), Cerwin Vega etc etc...)
Massive Audio
Performance Teknique
Kenwood
Lightning Audio
Sony
Pioneer

What about Kicker, alpine, rockford fosgate? Would you not consider those to be quality amps for a decent price?

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

What about Kicker, alpine, rockford fosgate? Would you not consider those to be quality amps for a decent price?

He rated audiobahn at the top

How bout (as said above) Alpine, MTX, Kicker? Decent amps for cheap prices.

 

[snyper1982]

True but power handling does have significance as far as speaker design goes. Typically audio companies try to use it as just a "gauge" of how loud speakers are, which is not true, like you said.

As far as amps go, I'd go with any of the following for a budget buy:
phoenix gold
MTX
directed audio
viper
dei

etc... there are TONS of amps out there, check ebay, and ikesound for good deals

Ikesound is gone buddy. Try woofersetc, or sounddomain. I would reccomend a kicker or RF amp, maybe even MTX. All three can be had for decent prices.

Actually I would reccomend this amp right here.

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=397

Should be perfect for your subs. Wire the subs in a series/parallel combo, and you will be good to go.