97 Talon Conversion (I searched)

[cdct99]

I cant seem to find any info specifically dealing with the conversion of a 97 talon to eclipse. The main problem I see is the strakes on the sides of the Talon looking funny. Can those be removed? I believe there are holes under the pieces, but can the doors themselves maybe be swapped? Also, are the doors contoured differently? It could just be the way the black roof looks, but it seems like the doors dip slightly lower beneath the windows. Anyways, does anyone know of any pics of 97+ Talons with the full conversion, preferably ones which still have the black roof or strakes?

Thanks,

Steve Parry

 

[DarkTalon2GNT]

The doors are the same. The difference is alot of talons have a trim piece/dent gaurd thing on 'em... I dunno how they're attached, my didnt have 'em from the beginning...so it could just be heavy duty double sided tape..but then again could have lil pop-rivet things as well...

 

[cdct99]

Yes, that door trim was what I was referring to... I think someone called it a "strake"? Anyways, anyone have a definitive answer on how it's attached? Or any pics (photoshopped even) of how these pieces look with an eclipse front and rear? Would it be possible to fully swap doors with a "non-straked" car? I know it would be a lot of work, but I really dont care for the way they look.

Thanks again

 

[Defiant]

There are holes in the doors, I don't know if there are any in the fenders. 2G sheet metal is all the same shapes. Change bumpers and side moldings, and your car will look just like the thousands of other Eclipses, and you'll be an individual just like all of them are.

 

[HighPsi92GST]

Change bumpers and side moldings, and your car will look just like the thousands of other Eclipses, and you'll be an individual just like all of them are.

Couldnt agree more.

the side skirts are held on by clips and double sided tape.

 

[Attack Eagle]

Strakes are double sided tape for the short piece and holes in the door.

If you are contemplating an eclipse conversion please realize that any door you "swap to" will either be an RS or you will have holes for the door cap that would either need to be filled, or you would need to add holes forthe skirts...


After working on a car with skirts I have to admit I don't want them for my 97 anymore. Big PITA IMO

Best bet is leave em for now since you will still have the talon wing... once you have everything ready you can have the holes shaved and the doors repainted... or better yet the whole car?

You might just consider blacking out the headlights... too many people do the 97+ conversion just to get black headlights... check my sig for the beauty ofa 2gb talon once the lights have black housings.

 

[spiritturbo]

I can't personally see the logic of doing the conversion. Sure the cars are one in the same, but basically you would be driving a Talon, skinned over with Eclipse badging.

If you like Eclipses to this level then I would sell the Talon and purchase an Eclipse. Then you have a "pure" Eclipse rather than something skinned over. You'd thank yourself in the long run.

 

[HighPsi92GST]

I can't personally see the logic of doing the conversion. Sure the cars are one in the same, but basically you would be driving a Talon, skinned over with Eclipse badging.

If you like Eclipses to this level then I would sell the Talon and purchase an Eclipse. Then you have a "pure" Eclipse rather than something skinned over. You'd thank yourself in the long run.

except that for ALOT less money and not having to go through the trouble of finding another car and selling his, he can have the look he wants by just bolting on the eclipse parts.....

 

[95eclipseGST008]

Change bumpers and side moldings, and your car will look just like the thousands of other Eclipses, and you'll be an individual just like all of them are.

Come on, the looks of the 2GB is one of the only things Mitsubishi has done right in the past decade. However, I would rather own a 97-98 Talon than a 2GB Eclipse.

 

[dsmjay]

Couldnt agree more.

the side skirts are held on by clips and double sided tape.

i did the complete conversion and my side skirts dont use any shitty double sided tape. it uses clips on the sides and then screws underneath. and its perfect

 

[dsmjay]

I can't personally see the logic of doing the conversion. Sure the cars are one in the same, but basically you would be driving a Talon, skinned over with Eclipse badging.

If you like Eclipses to this level then I would sell the Talon and purchase an Eclipse. Then you have a "pure" Eclipse rather than something skinned over. You'd thank yourself in the long run.

the logic is talons sell for cheaper than eclipse's do. also in my area anyway...there are far more 2g talons than their are eclipse's.

 

[cdct99]

Thanks for all the replies guys... If you must know, I am buying a Talon because i found what I think is a great deal on one. I am getting this one for 9000. I think I have decided to leave the front bumper and side strakes and just do an Eclipse rear. That should confuse a few people

 

[Attack Eagle]

then don't sell the talon rear...

you are going to wish you had it back once you see the anemic fatbutt Eclipse bumper in contrast to the 2gb talon bumper...

 

[EclipseSH21]

To each his own. If you want an eclipse, do the conversion, it will be worth it everytime you look at your car. For example, the frankenstien DSM i am bulding- 97' talon front, 2GB eclipse skirts, 2GB high-rise wing, 2GB eclipse rear bumper, all of this on a 96' RS. Oh yeah, and the turbo kit is on it's way....when its finished I think i may have the first Eclipse RSi !

 

[DarkTalon2GNT]

To each his own. If you want an eclipse, do the conversion, it will be worth it everytime you look at your car. For example, the frankenstien DSM i am bulding- 97' talon front, 2GB eclipse skirts, 2GB high-rise wing, 2GB eclipse rear bumper, all of this on a 96' RS. Oh yeah, and the turbo kit is on it's way....when its finished I think i may have the first Eclipse RSi !

Gotcha beat, check out my cardomain, I've got a 2gb eclipse rear waiting paint to replace the current 95, and some sideskirts waiting installation... It started life as an ES, then was an ES-T, then due to problems beyond my control, is back to an ES until I do a full rebuild so I can actually get the HP I want... www.cardomain.com/id/darktalon

 

[spiritturbo]

the logic is talons sell for cheaper than eclipse's do. also in my area anyway...there are far more 2g talons than their are eclipse's.

IF that's the logic and the intent, then it's also called FRAUD. One should be very careful of that, because you can't rebadge a vehicle and call it something else, even if it is the "same" vehicle. A check of the VIN will show the truth, as will the title, and the buyer will most certainly see that the car is, in fact, a Talon rather than the Eclipse he thought he was buying. THAT alone enables the former buyer to file a lawsuit against the seller for fraud, and/or the seller could even face criminal charges. Seems like a big deal out of something "trivial", right?

So basically, to convert a DSM from Talon trim to Eclipse trim and try to sell it off as an actual Eclipse is fraud. Is it a big deal? In today's civic court system, yes. It's not worth trying to make $300 or $400 more, only to be sued or jailed and have to pay court costs, miss time at work, lawyers fees, damages, punitive damages, and other legal costs associated with such an action.

Here 1G Eclipses are rarer than 1G Talons, but with 2G's it's the other way around.

 

[TangNinja]

IF that's the logic and the intent, then it's also called FRAUD. One should be very careful of that, because you can't rebadge a vehicle and call it something else, even if it is the "same" vehicle. A check of the VIN will show the truth, as will the title, and the buyer will most certainly see that the car is, in fact, a Talon rather than the Eclipse he thought he was buying. THAT alone enables the former buyer to file a lawsuit against the seller for fraud, and/or the seller could even face criminal charges. Seems like a big deal out of something "trivial", right?

So basically, to convert a DSM from Talon trim to Eclipse trim and try to sell it off as an actual Eclipse is fraud. Is it a big deal? In today's civic court system, yes. It's not worth trying to make $300 or $400 more, only to be sued or jailed and have to pay court costs, miss time at work, lawyers fees, damages, punitive damages, and other legal costs associated with such an action.

Here 1G Eclipses are rarer than 1G Talons, but with 2G's it's the other way around.

I don't think he's saying that he wants to turn Talons into Eclipses and sell them at Eclipse prices, just that he wanted an Eclipse but it was cheaper to buy a Talon and convert it, that's my impression from his post anyway. I definitely think the 2Gb Talon looks better myself, but I could be biased.

 

[HighPsi92GST]

So basically, to convert a DSM from Talon trim to Eclipse trim and try to sell it off as an actual Eclipse is fraud. Is it a big deal? In today's civic court system, yes. It's not worth trying to make $300 or $400 more, only to be sued or jailed and have to pay court costs, miss time at work, lawyers fees, damages, punitive damages, and other legal costs associated with such an action.

Looking alittle too deep into the whole conversion thing.

 

[dsmjay]

IF that's the logic and the intent, then it's also called FRAUD. One should be very careful of that, because you can't rebadge a vehicle and call it something else, even if it is the "same" vehicle. A check of the VIN will show the truth, as will the title, and the buyer will most certainly see that the car is, in fact, a Talon rather than the Eclipse he thought he was buying. THAT alone enables the former buyer to file a lawsuit against the seller for fraud, and/or the seller could even face criminal charges. Seems like a big deal out of something "trivial", right?

So basically, to convert a DSM from Talon trim to Eclipse trim and try to sell it off as an actual Eclipse is fraud. Is it a big deal? In today's civic court system, yes. It's not worth trying to make $300 or $400 more, only to be sued or jailed and have to pay court costs, miss time at work, lawyers fees, damages, punitive damages, and other legal costs associated with such an action.

Here 1G Eclipses are rarer than 1G Talons, but with 2G's it's the other way around.

please dont be a dick. nowhere in my post did i say anything like that. i did the complete conversion because i love the 97-99 eclipse look but didnt want to pay 10k + for a awd 2gb car.

when i sell my car will it probably be worth alittle more because of the conversion...probably...but will i advertise it as a 99 eclipse...hell no. its a 95 tsi awd. thats what it would be sold as. everything logo'd as an eagle on the interior is still there.

 

[spiritturbo]

please dont be a dick. nowhere in my post did i say anything like that. i did the complete conversion because i love the 97-99 eclipse look but didnt want to pay 10k + for a awd 2gb car.
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I'm not being a "dick". If I were being a "dick" I would have returned juvenile insults. I have not insulted anyone, so please don't insult me.

"the logic is talons sell for cheaper than eclipse's do." That comment expresses intent to make more money by selling a Talon dressed as an Eclipse. That was the only point I was making. I couldn't care less if someone puts a "Civic Type R" badge on their Talon. Makes no difference to me. I am only saying that IF such was the intent then it could lead to problems down the road. The key here is INTENT. It's just advice.

I may be biased myself, but I think all generations of DSM look best in Talon trim, though I like the high stance ESi spoiler for the second generation application. I just think the Talon looks more aggressive in that trim.

 

[HighPsi92GST]

I think what was actually ment by the "Talons are cheaper then eclipse" is that he can afford to buy a Talon faster then an eclipse, then just convert it to make it look like one. Although...now that I think about it, the difference in price is probably less then what the bumpers and paint cost to convert. Although it still allows you to mix parts. Its really no different then putting a body kit on a car.

 

[dsmjay]

I'm not being a "dick". If I were being a "dick" I would have returned juvenile insults. I have not insulted anyone, so please don't insult me.

"the logic is talons sell for cheaper than eclipse's do." That comment expresses intent to make more money by selling a Talon dressed as an Eclipse. That was the only point I was making. I couldn't care less if someone puts a "Civic Type R" badge on their Talon. Makes no difference to me. I am only saying that IF such was the intent then it could lead to problems down the road. The key here is INTENT. It's just advice.

I may be biased myself, but I think all generations of DSM look best in Talon trim, though I like the high stance ESi spoiler for the second generation application. I just think the Talon looks more aggressive in that trim.

wow some ppl really are thick.

saying that talons are cheaper to buy than eclipse's is a fact. i can remember a newbie one time asking someone on here what was the difference between a 1g talon/eclipse/laser. and i believe the response was something like this. "their all the same except for badging and the value of the car...an eclipse is like gucci, a talon like jcpenny and a lasers like k mart..."

by saying that they are cheaper to buy doesnt express intent to make more money by selling one dressed as an eclipse. i mean come on seriously WTF .

this is the bottom line...go to kbb.com and check out the private party values. we'll use for 98's for comparison being the last year of the talon. and "normal" milage for the year of the car (105k). a 98 gsx in excellent shape is valued at $7,000. a 98tsi awd is only valued at $5,700 now this is only based on my zip code. look through the classifieds...9 out of 10 eclipse owners are going to want more...and expect more for their cars than talon owners. mitsu has a higher resell value than eagle ever had. its called economics.

you probably are biased in your opinion being that you own a talon. im on my 4th dsm and my first 2nd gen. having owned a 90,91 and 94 talon before this one. but in most ppl's opinion and mine also the 2gb eclipse was by far the nicest body design.

 

[DGajre777]

There are holes in the doors, I don't know if there are any in the fenders.

2 holes in the rear fender on my 98 Talon.