megasquirt vs emanage

[selmerguy]

ok guy and gals i would like a little help with this one. if i understand it right(probably don't) the emanage and the megasquirt are both piggy back fuel and spark computers. i am still a little stuck on what i am going to do about fuel. so what i would like to know is what the difference in the two are and the pro's and cons of them both. also what would i need to run both in my 97 420a. and total price of the to complete systems. complete means everything i need on my car to make it work right.
thanks people i hope to do the install of what ever system myself.

 

[BigRand]

ok guy and gals i would like a little help with this one. if i understand it right(probably don't) the emanage and the megasquirt are both piggy back fuel and spark computers. i am still a little stuck on what i am going to do about fuel. so what i would like to know is what the difference in the two are and the pro's and cons of them both. also what would i need to run both in my 97 420a. and total price of the to complete systems. complete means everything i need on my car to make it work right.
thanks people i hope to do the install of what ever system myself.

1st off, you gotta search, I know there are a ton of threadz on megasqurit for sure, and if you found one of them, you would have noticed its a standalone system. www.2gnt.com has a crap load of info on megasuqirt.

When it comes to the e-mangage that I know there isn't as much information, but because I plan on running it myself, I'll tell you what you need.
If you go to the greddy website you will see there is more than just the emange box to run the system.

so here is what you need.

emange box
pressure sensor
pressure sensor harnesss
ignition harness
injector harness
support tool

All that should probably run you about $500-$600, and if you really want a bad ass system like me, I've been hearing that the eo1 boost controller attached to the e-mange is what really makes this system a kick ass system. Because now your regulating your boost and your fuel together, and if your fwd you can introduce boost slowly during a lauch to prevent wheel spin.

Anyways lots of different things look good with this system, but remember that the emange is actually made for jdm vehicles so there are somethings you have to to tweak.

Anyways that is some info on the e-mange, but there is a lot of good things about mega squirt that you should search for. A big plus for mega squirt is that it is a stand alone.

Good luck.

 

[XMasta19]

http://megasquirt.info/

I've read info there till my eyes were bleeding, then on here and the engine management forum on 2GNT. I plan on having megasquirt before winter is over, but the rebuild takes precedent at the moment. With megasquirt you'll need the box, sensors, 1:1 fpr, injectors, and some others depending on how you're setting it up. You can buy it pre-assembled, or you can buy a kit and do the soldering yourself. The megasquirt could be used in conjunction with your ECU, or as it's own standalone system controlling fuel and spark. Eh, I'm done rambling on now..

 

[selmerguy]

1st off, you gotta search, I know there are a ton of threadz on megasqurit for sure, and if you found one of them, you would have noticed its a standalone system. www.2gnt.com has a crap load of info on megasuqirt.

When it comes to the e-mangage that I know there isn't as much information, but because I plan on running it myself, I'll tell you what you need.
If you go to the greddy website you will see there is more than just the emange box to run the system.

so here is what you need.

emange box
pressure sensor
pressure sensor harnesss
ignition harness
injector harness
support tool

All that should probably run you about $500-$600, and if you really want a bad ass system like me, I've been hearing that the eo1 boost controller attached to the e-mange is what really makes this system a kick ass system. Because now your regulating your boost and your fuel together, and if your fwd you can introduce boost slowly during a lauch to prevent wheel spin.

Anyways lots of different things look good with this system, but remember that the emange is actually made for jdm vehicles so there are somethings you have to to tweak.

Anyways that is some info on the e-mange, but there is a lot of good things about mega squirt that you should search for. A big plus for mega squirt is that it is a stand alone.

Good luck.

do i need new fpr for the emanage? i have a sfmu in my shed. or would i need a afpr?

 

[BigRand]

do i need new fpr for the emanage? i have a sfmu in my shed. or would i need a afpr?

Well I'm not sure. I'll be using a 1:1 fpr because I'm planning on running a seperate fuel return line from my gas tank.
I think you can get away with using the stock fpr because the emange controls fuel via the injectors. (don't quote me on that), a fpr that is 1:1 would probably help and put less stress on the injectors.

You probably won't be using the SFMU at anypoint though.

 

[squeak10686]

Since I have learned quite a bit from researching on megasquirt and in the process of doing a full standalone megasquirt I will give my 2. cents on this...

First of all what is awesome about the megasquirt is that it has the capability's to be a piggyback and a standalone... you can use your stock ecu to control spark and IAC, etc etc and than run your fuel/stutterbox etc etc off of it...

Or you can pull the stock ecu ( in my case run a 1g cas to replace the 2g CPS and run the MS off of the coilpacks)... this setup is not entirely to hard, the only thing that you are going to have to mess around with is i guess the ( IAC sensor doesnt work exactly right at startup, but after the car is warm it works great)

 

[Forces32psi]

i just bought the megasquirt system today and paid $437 NEW.....assembled.. w/ everything inlcuding ALL sensors needed, and the box to run low or high impedence injec. and i can use my stock 1g CAS w/ my buschur COP kit. and i was looking at pretty much EVERYTHING as far as standalone on the market.. and this is the best and cheapest bang for teh buck.... im running a 2.3 stroker,fp3575, fpcam3's.. and 850cc inj to start w/ but will be uping them to 1050cc inj.

 

[WHite97RS]

im currently running MS on my turbo 420A. I suggest purchasing many of your parts from www.rs-autosport.com, they have excellent customer service and have some of the cheaper prices on a pre-built MS system around, also his wiring harness is amazing.

Everything i bought to run this setup...

Megasquirt $269 w/ 420a/neon hardware mods
3 bar Map (built into the MS) $30
Harness $50
Coolant temp sensor $16
Airintake Temp sensor $20
RS232 cable $13
Laptop
Injectors
1:1 FPR
Used stock injector clips
5 pin relay for power to MS $5-10
Miscellaneous connectors/electrical tape

TOTAL: $425 + shipping + Injectors + FPR + Laptop

MS can be used as a Full EMS or simply a Fuel controller. Pros are....Cheapest EMS w/ more options than SAFC, lots of support, upgradable. Cons are....Can be somewhat challenging to tune without proper base settings

 

[BigRand]

Okay I know I can't actually post the site, but anyone intersted on saving money on the emange and parts for it, please PM me and I can give you two links that have limited but (not on backorder) parts of the emange system.

Just to give you an idea I just ordered

Greddy E-manage
Injector Harness
Ignition Harness
E-manage Pressure Sensor Harness
PRofec E-01 & E-01 External Signal Harness
PRofec E-01 Pressure Sensor Harness
PRofec E-01 & E-01 USB Cable -> 6 feet
+shipping ($15)

Total: $455.84

And from another link I paid $476 for my e01 boost controller.

 

[squeak10686]

Okay I know I can't actually post the site, but anyone intersted on saving money on the emange and parts for it, please PM me and I can give you two links that have limited but (not on backorder) parts of the emange system.

Just to give you an idea I just ordered

Greddy E-manage
Injector Harness
Ignition Harness
E-manage Pressure Sensor Harness
PRofec E-01 & E-01 External Signal Harness
PRofec E-01 Pressure Sensor Harness
PRofec E-01 & E-01 USB Cable -> 6 feet
+shipping ($15)

Total: $455.84

And from another link I paid $476 for my e01 boost controller.

great at the end of the day your E-piece of shit, still wont touch what a megasquirt will do

 

[BigRand]

great at the end of the day your E-piece of shit, still wont touch what a megasquirt will do

Wow are you seriously, trying to come at me with all that nonsense. Ayo man, speak ya mind and all, but don't knock what you don't know nothing about.
All I was trying to do was offer people who are interested in the e-mange a cheaper way to do it.
Notice, not one time did I say the emange was better, in fact I've been saying people should go with megasquirt if they have the technical know-how behind it.

Anways like I said before, anyone intersted in the link's I have, just PM me.

 

[selmerguy]

well i ordered my wideband today. $365 and i bought a safc too. so i will use my sfmu and my 440cc injectors and shoot for 18psi daily for now. maybe around tax time i will do a megasquirt or emanage.

 

[dr1665]

great at the end of the day your E-piece of shit, still wont touch what a megasquirt will do

Wow. I certainly agree that there is no equal to the MSnS set up due to it's nearly infinite customization possibilities, but calling the eManage a POS is weaksauce. What does your comment contribute to this discussion? Not one damn thing.

MSnS is a better value, imo, because it is quickly becoming the primary tool for tuning a 420A. Be that engine built, stock, boosted or sprayed, it can do damn near anything if you just take a little time to do some research. 2GNT owners are paving the way for MS tuning right now. Whether you build it yourself or purchase one ready to install, you can always find how to fix anything about it. There is no sending it back in when something fails. Just like your car, when something isn't working right, you go to the MS forums (or 2GNT's MS forum) and search. Then you post your question if you don't find the answers you need and people come together to help you get back on the road.

The labor required to install each is more than likely similar, with the eManage possibly having a slight advantage, but the more you want to control, the more involved your install will be. Still, you can start out by just running the MS to control fuel on your stock engine, then start playing with spark when you're ready for it. As you mod the car, you can tweak the MS to make the most of your new mods. Beyond that, you can use different versions of code with various options like water injection, stutter box, even traction control if you want. It really has more options to it, but like I said, it requires a bit more effort during installation.

Either is a fine system. I have seen fine tuning one 2GNTs running both systems, but I prefer the MS for its upgrade potential.