new to non-turbos...some questions

[XxXEcLiPsE93]

alright well basically my car(92 laser rs turbo awd) is like really at the point where im gonna sell it...i dont really have the money to keep fixing what breaks ...not to mention the tail light that was just busted today..so im selling it..

and hopefully getting a 2nd gen...ive always wanted a 2nd gen..but.. i dont have enough money i dont think to get a gs-t or gsx
so im prolly gonna wind up getting a gs eclipse 2nd gen...which isnt really bad i dont care i like em

but anyway i was just wondering like i never drove a n/t dsm...i know the specs and all on the car...but is it really that much slower...like will it be easily feelable when driving it that its that much slower than a turbo awd?

cause i mean i still wanted to go with a manual and all and do some work to it im just wondering if its really as slow and bad and worthless as some turbo owners have told me..

also i was wondering i know it uses the chrysler 420a engine but does it use a different tranny than a turbo dsm??

also i was wondeing like what kind of mods i could do to it to get the most out of it..like performance wise....i already know about the typical n/t car route(intake, headers, exhaust) but i was wondering if there was anything else i could do...

and also with just an i/h/e what would be a estimated 1/4 time and what would that bring my horsepower and torque up to...i just want specs and input..please dont tell me"theres no way of knowing it depends on driver, yada..yada..yada"....but anyway just want some info, peace

 

[91 NT Eclipse]

It will definetely bet noticably slower than your AWD. No way around that. However, if you like the way it looks, go for it. Yes it will be slow, but there's more to a car than a 1/4 time. You might run low 15s/high 14s will bolt ons. Yes, the trans is different from turbo models.

 

[Beef Jerky]

The sad truth is N/T's are slower than piss. You're not going to put up respectable numbers unless you invest into a turbo kit or nitrous. I've yet to personally see one of these cars break into the 14's naturally aspirated. Atleast you'll look good.

 

[mike250]

you could also do some head work, ie: cams, oversized valves, springs titanium retainers, PT cruser rollers, cam gears, port & polish /w 3 angle valve job. After that you could up the compression by putting in different pistons, underdrive pulley, lightened flywheel. There may be a few more things, but that should hold you over for a bit.

 

[jdm93dsm]

thats weak dude, keep the first gen buddy.... specially if its a turbo. i wouldn't trade my 1st gen nt for any 2g nt. i like 1g because u don't see them every other car... specially a turb. i atleast wouldnt get rid of it unless u was going to get a turbo awd 2g. awd kits ass, i wish i had it.

 

[2gnt420a]

the gs is the slowest 2g because it has power everything but the rs isnt power everything and its the strongest motor that eclipses have(420a) nt and it can hold up to a stage 2 turbo with nothing done to ur car(stock) and the gst runs a 15 somethin and if u get an rs and put a stage 2 turbo u will be running 13 somethin so f*ck gst and gsx

 

[nutshot]

GSX and GST's can run 500+ horses on stock internals, something that the 420A has yet to do. Beside that, the 2g NA is heavier than the 1g, and the FWD on both is an open differential, leading to pronounced torque-steer with relatively few mods. You will probably like the low torque peak of the 420A, but will miss the redline eagerness of yer current car... I personally will steer clear of FWD's unless light, cheap and equipped with some LSD.

 

[DarkendSoul]

You may like the way the 2Gs look, but you have a really good car. If you really want a good running and not to mention fast car then you should stick with you car. Even though I hate the name, its a great car. You might want to take the money that you would spend on getting a 2G and rebuild the engine and entire power train. Or, if you insist on getting a 2G you might want to think about selling you car for parts and get a 2G GSX. You would get more money out of the car selling the parts off of it, rather than selling the whole thing even with you selling the parts for bargan prices. If you do I got dibs on the motor if its a 6 bolt. The 420A is a solid motor, but it just lacks so much of the power that a 4G63 has and there is alot you can do to the 4G63 that you cant do with the 420A. If you have the money and alot of it, then you can turn the 420A into a wonderful motor. But with the 4G63 you get more of your bucks worth. I was looking for a head gasket set (all the seals from the head gasket up) and most companys havent started making them yet. I finally found one and its more than I would really like to pay for a bunch of gaskets. Normally a head gasket set is around 40 dollars. Let me just say it was more than 2 times that price. Im still going to shop around and see what I can find, but thats just rediculous.

 

[Beef Jerky]

Originally posted by 2gnt420a
the gs is the slowest 2g because it has power everything but the rs isnt power everything and its the strongest motor that eclipses have(420a) nt and it can hold up to a stage 2 turbo with nothing done to ur car(stock) and the gst runs a 15 somethin and if u get an rs and put a stage 2 turbo u will be running 13 somethin so f*ck gst and gsx

 

[4G63luvr]

Hmmm, what's more important to you, looks or speed? The second gen cars just are harder to make fast then the second gen cars. I think everyone will agree, weight has a lot to do with it. I'm not saying which is better than the other, personally I like the second gen. Yeah, you'll notice a difference inbetween the cars (speedwise) and with alot of money the second gen. will be as fast as your first gen. stock, but hay, everyone has their own tastes, that's what makes this hobby fun! And as far as wanting to know all these spacific numbers about differnt parts, that's pretty impossible to say without knowing brand names and all those special things, good luck on whatever path you end up taking though, chris

 

[XxXEcLiPsE93]

i dunno what im gonna do these days but i know that MY car i need to get rid of...so will someone PLEASE buy my car for atleast 2500...it is the 6-bolt engine, and yes the 4-bolt rear, and yes it is like top of the line model, and yes it is giving me a headache

i dunno maybe ill just get another 1st gen but i NEED to get rid of this car its only making me waste more money and all so someone PLEASE buy my car, thank you, ...i need a beer, sorry for the rant

 

[Bdoublesharp]

Go test drive one before you make your decision. You will be able to feel the difference first hand. There are used DSM NT's all over the place.
Good luck

 

[miedosoracing]

I have a 95 Talon esi, and had a TSi just a couple of months ago. If I had the money, i would go back to the turbo, but i was spending money like it was going out of style. My esi is a five speed, and is faster than my auto was down low. If you are interested in light to stop light, an esi/GS is not bad. It can hang, but loses ground about the second 1/8 mile. But, you won't be spending money on anything accept you need good spark plug wires, because the stock ones suck. Ive replaced mine on 4 of the last 5 420a motors Ive had. It misses alot if you don't. Also, changing oil and putting in gas. The TSI was blowing oil, overheating, trans was bad etc. I recommend the ESI for now. Until you have funds to put a 1G motor in and work on a turbo model. Too bad you weren't closer, my ESI is for sale with only 76k miles. $4500. or best offer. It already has the cold air, muffler, side skirts etc. Anyways, just stay with the GS/ESI for now. Also, going with a RS model sucks. I had one, and I hate rolling down the windows and stuff. I would give up weight for work. Im lazy but happy.

 

[shortracer]

This will probably make me look stupid, but I am just recently getting into DSM's. Mine is a 94 Eclipse 1.8 SOHC. I have no idea what the difference is between 1G and 2G. I had a Honda Civic but it blew a cylinder and it would cost more to fix it then the car was worth.

I have 3 kids so tweaking my car has to be done a little at a time. Hell, I dont even know how much HP and torque I have.

Compared to my civic, Im driving a rocket. . Any pointers you all have I would appreciate.

 

[the5thelement]

Hey... we all had to learn at one point, it's cool that you're into DSMs now, they are a great platform for show and speed.

(pics of cars in URL's)

1g = 1st Generation http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11295&password=&sort=7&thecat=500

2g = 2nd Generation

1g are GENERALLY made for track/speed and 2g are GENERALLY made for show/cruising.

 

[big green]

Remember that 2nd gen n/t have more aftermarket support then the 1g n/t.

 

[ericismyname]

allright i had a 91 plymouth laser rs turbo, and i now i have 95 eagle talon esi. it is so much slower it makes me wanna jump and help push it to get faster. but on the other hand it is cooler looking in my opinion and in alot better shape. since the obvious turbo owners abuse there engine and if they try to abuse the motor with no turbo psh nothing compared to the turbo abuse. and yes i agree with the not getting the rs becuase i have never not had power everything in my car and i would hate not having it. i got my 95 talon esi for 4300 at a dealership. so yeah. took me a hell of a long time to find a good deal all the others were like 5000+ and in worse conditions without power options. its your call though.