2.2L Stroking Poll

[Fotowntalon]

First off, not 100% sure this is the best place to put this, but I know this is where many of the 420a members reside so seemed appropriate to get the most exposure.

Now as to the poll, we have a good size amount of these 2.2L 420a Stroker Cranks(3.543 stroke). Problem being there were problems in production, and the cranks do not have the timing notches put into the cranks, and there may be some roundness problems which can be fixed with grinding 10/10 on the rods mains.

I guess the point of this is to find out who all would be interested in a product like this in its current state (needing finished) and if you are not interested, to find out what we can do to make you interested. Lastly, how much would you be willing to pay for a product like this? The Cranks are made of a 4340 Forging and are extremely strong, durability is not an issue. Please ask any questions you may need. And let me know anything that we can do to interest you in this product (such as dyno charts, pics Aero-Shedding, timing marks, grinding etc.)

Thanks for you time!

 

[Slo2gen]

I would be interested in it down the road probably. Been wanting to do a nasty all motor set up and seems like the 2.2 has a better R/A ratio. The biggest thing that would make me want one is if it was true and didn't need any work other than the timing notches. I would honestly probably run some type of trigger plate on the end of it and shave the crank down instead of messing the the notches on the crank itself. So in for details pretty much

 

[Fotowntalon]

Also wanted to add, would you Slo2gen or anyone else for that matter be more interested in this had it been proven in My Car? Or perhaps someone else (if someone else than whom)?

 

[Slo2gen]

Not really man, I know you and know the product that your advertising. Just a matter of funds really. I have a 2.4 now and want to keep it but woudln't mind getting another motor to use the 2.2 in another car.

 

[Austingrace24]

I have one and i love it

95 eclipse rs

 

[koryto2012]

OP is already getting me one. (;

 

[8BoltDSM]

I've never had an interest in stroking the 2.0. We do plan to work on a 2.6-2.8 build using the cloud car 2.4 block.

 

[Fotowntalon]

The nice thing about a 2.2 build is its a straight up swap of the crank and pistons, well recommend the rods as well. Where as going with a 2.4 or bigger requires much more work.

 

[TheEagle]

The only thing that would make me say no is because it isn't finished. If I was going to buy I'd like to know that the production problems are fixed and that I could just put it in and go with out a lot of messing around (even though there will always be some when differing from stock, minimal is better). The timing marks for me are a must though it would be nice to have it be fine without having to do any grinding or other work on them.

A kit is usually nice (or at least recommending the parts that would complete the kit).

Another selling point would be that yes the 2.2l stroker isn't going crazy with mods.

Maybe more would be inclined to buy if you post specs (like a before/after even tho many just care about the after). Dyno charts and the works would just be better at advertising and marketing.

And with the last question on price is a tough one. I havn't worked with newer stroker motors and kits all too much. My experience on the older ones however (like the 350-383 converts and such). An Eagle 4340 foraged and internally balanced crank runs around 600 usually.
The price can easily be adjusted a bit depending on what performance output and how the flaws are worked out.

The only reason I don't stroke right now is I haven't heard a lot of good word on howell in general and cant seem to find anyone else with a kit for this. I believe there are more interested, but just are discouraged because it isn't widely available/accessible. I wish ya the best and lets see where this goes Sounds good to be ending off 2013 with a 2.2l 420a

 

[Fotowntalon]

Howell gets there cranks through us, and while I have herd many problems with Howell on delivery problems, for the cranks, they are not entirely his fault, he has had them on order, it has been through us that delivery was been significantly delayed (in our defense we did tell him that there is no real ETA on these before he sold them). But that is not for here or there.

Cranks should be in the home stretch on timing notches, I am keeping in constant contact with the Machine shop putting them in, and should have some more info by the end of the week on that end.

For comparison and dyno, On top of that, My car is already dynoed for all the current mods, and will be redyno'd after rebuild. Granted, it wont be 100% accurate, it is rebuilding an 140k block so gains would be seen even on a stock rebuild, compression is being upped to 10.5 with gapless rings, and I upgraded from a 57 to a 60mm TB, but nonetheless comparing it against Teklein's build should be a rather close comparison.

 

[Fotowntalon]

**UPDATE**

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Kits take an average time of 6-8 weeks to complete after the order is placed. Pricing starts at $2000 +shipping. Cranks will start off accepting a -10/-10 bearing, include Eagle Rods, Wiseco Pistons(and rings), Clevite Bearings, Callies Compstar Crank (balanced). Other options available by request. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread, PMing me, or calling the number in the add. To achieve a true 2.2L you will need the bore the block to +.040 (+.020 gives a 2.19L)Thanks and have a good day!

 

[jayson427]

so im a little lost on reading this. if we ordered a crank who would make it true again or is that on the person who buys it? and i didnt know howell had issues with his stroker kits since my buddy is looking into one right now. for me on my set up i have everything upgraded top to bottom but my crank, its stock. how much would just the crank alone run me? i have a high compression build im already bored .020 over and wouldnt want to get another set of pistons. im cool with 2.19L as long as its a real stroker crank. i want to turbo my set up within a year or two.

 

[Fotowntalon]

so im a little lost on reading this. if we ordered a crank who would make it true again or is that on the person who buys it? and i didnt know howell had issues with his stroker kits since my buddy is looking into one right now. for me on my set up i have everything upgraded top to bottom but my crank, its stock. how much would just the crank alone run me? i have a high compression build im already bored .020 over and wouldnt want to get another set of pistons. im cool with 2.19L as long as its a real stroker crank. i want to turbo my set up within a year or two.

Jayson, most of this thread is from a year ago when I was trying to move these cranks that were incomplete. Since then I have done the work to piece together rotaters, as well as find outside contractors to fix the cranks.

Simply put, yes we can sell a finished crank, you would need to change your bearings, as well as your pistons. The pistons you currently have I'd imagine are set up to run for a stock stroke crank. IIRC the crank runs $650

 

[jayson427]

Jayson, most of this thread is from a year ago when I was trying to move these cranks that were incomplete. Since then I have done the work to piece together rotaters, as well as find outside contractors to fix the cranks.

Simply put, yes we can sell a finished crank, you would need to change your bearings, as well as your pistons. The pistons you currently have I'd imagine are set up to run for a stock stroke crank. IIRC the crank runs $650

yeah i just noticed the date but damn your right i forgot all about that. i have eagle rods and je pistions on a stock crank. so i would need to move the wrist pin location right? or i would have to get new rods and pistions?

 

[Fotowntalon]

The stroker crank uses the stock length rods (so your rods would be fine) but it would change the compression Height, so would need new pistons (or keep the pistons and get custom rods is another option)

 

[99 gs iowa]

id be interested, but first id like to see it pushed hard on a high hp 420a to see how it holds up,

im not hating on it at all or saying its not a good solid product im just more skeptical to buy something that i know can handle having alot of power thrown at it consecutively

 

[glowryder]

Its a forged callies crank... If "callies" isnt enough proof...then IDK what would be. It would handle far more than the OEM one. IMO theres really nothing to prove, its an old Product, thats simply been revived and offered by Fotown. Its been around and used and beaten, and I don't recall anyone having issues with the crank quality. Its good stuff for those wanting to do a 2.2 stroker.

my .02

 

[Fotowntalon]

Its a forged callies crank... If "callies" isnt enough proof...then IDK what would be. It would handle far more than the OEM one. IMO theres really nothing to prove, its an old Product, thats simply been revived and offered by Fotown. Its been around and used and beaten, and I don't recall anyone having issues with the crank quality. Its good stuff for those wanting to do a 2.2 stroker.

my .02

Thanks for the words Glowryder, but I understand the name Callies is a bit "foreign" to the tuner scene, but we have been producing crankshafts for well over 15 years. Our crankshafts are used in some of the top builds in the world, Mark Carlyle, pushing over 2800 horses is using our LS Billet crank!

Now granted, that was a 4330 Timken billet crankshaft, not Compstar 4340 forged crank, but regardless, just using that as an example to let you know we are not new to the crank game. We have been around and if you ask the muscle crowd, we are upper echelon.

Currently the 420a record holder is pushing around 700 horses iirc, on a stock CAST crank, I will say our forged crank can do that an more!

 

[glowryder]

No Prob. You elaborated on the point I was trying to make .

I have a few friends that run Callies in their Larger displacement motors, and i hear nothing but compliments.

 

[dsmaz]

I would get one when I have more funds. I want a knarly all motor build. My pistons are .050 over, how much would custom rods cost