3000gt engine in my dsm???

[lopezboard]

I guess everyoen probably thinks i am crazy, i doubt this has ever been done befor so i doubt it works but its worth a shot, does anyone know if the 3000gt twin turbo engine would fit in a dsm, even if all the mounts were bought and axles and all, i really want power and i want more than a turbo.

 

[mavisky]

find one and measure.

that should answer your question.

 

[fiveliterfrenzy]

Unless i miss my guess, the new eclipse has very similar underpinnings to the 1 and 2G and it has the mits 3.0 DOHC 24v engine in it. After having seen under the hood of a fewof them now, i would think that swap couldnt be terribly difficult.

 

[98Turbbo420A]

Accually yes it can, and it has been done before. I will try to find the link, remember it's a TON of custom work, but when it's done I bet it would rock.

 

[silvereclipse]

Wee here it is, im pretty sure this is the 6g73 or whatever from a 3kgt. might be a 6g72 but its basically the same.

 

[bryan_tberry]

WOW THATS AWESOME!!!! thatd be heavy though. and i see no turbos... like theyd fit anyways? no way! but still thatd be a beast. im sure a somewhat modified GSX could walk all over it.

 

[bryan_tberry]

well i can see some hope for turbo... remount the battery and squeeze a single turbo in there.... maybe an 18G.... i just dont know. still doesnt seem possible

 

[guedo512]

their is no fun in it i guess. the money you spend doing that will get you a nice fast gsx.

 

[JWoodley]

i'd give my plasma for a 2G w/ the VR4 setup. it be safe to say you'd own ALL the streets in your state.. the only problem would be the transplant would need to be placed into a GSX. theres no way to get serious HP to the ground w/ only FWD. since VR4's are AWD, i think it would be a hell of an idea. you'd have a "6 speed GSX-VR4". that just sounds like it would hand you your ass..

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by silvereclipse
Wee here it is, im pretty sure this is the 6g73 or whatever from a 3kgt. might be a 6g72 but its basically the same.

Negative. That's the 3G Eclipse engine, not a 3KVR4 Engine. Nice Photoshop BTW.

I don't understand why everyone nutts themselves about the thought of having a VR4 engine in a DSM. The 4G has gone MUCH faster in a DSM than the 6g has in the 3KGT, now of course much of this is due to the weight of the 3KGT's. However, even if the swap was concievably possible, which it's not, would you not be adding more weight to the DSM, since the 6G is a much heavier engine? And would it not be twice as expensive to modify, since two of everything must be purchased?

I'd like to mount the 550Hp V12 out of the 575M on my 82 Kawasaki 440LTD, but it's not going to happen.

 

[hardrive07k]

I dont agree, ANYTHING can be done if you really want it to, but you gotta have the skills,money and the time, go for it man

 

[al010101]

90gsx: you're ignorant. Anything can be done if you have skills to do so, i put a 500ci caddy engine in my rx-7... just because you lack the skills to do such a project, doesn't mean it cannot be done. i've also put a 5.0 out of a mustang into my mazda b2000 truck.
as long as you have the brains, some metal to work with and a welder, anything can be done.

oh and if you really wanted to mount a v-12 on a motorcycle frame, it'd take a lot of effort, and wouldn't be much of a `motorcycle` but it could be done, I’ve seen Porsche engines put on motorcycles, so what’s to stop someone with to much time from putting a v-12 on a bike..? They have v-8 motorcycles in production by some small company's as well...

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by al010101
90gsx: you're ignorant. Anything can be done if you have skills to do so, i put a 500ci caddy engine in my rx-7... just because you lack the skills to do such a project, doesn't mean it cannot be done. i've also put a 5.0 out of a mustang into my mazda b2000 truck.
as long as you have the brains, some metal to work with and a welder, anything can be done.

oh and if you really wanted to mount a v-12 on a motorcycle frame, it'd take a lot of effort, and wouldn't be much of a `motorcycle` but it could be done, I’ve seen Porsche engines put on motorcycles, so what’s to stop someone with to much time from putting a v-12 on a bike..? They have v-8 motorcycles in production by some small company's as well...

Do you dislike Mazda engines?

Here's one of the more popular V8 cycle companies.
http://www.bosshoss.com

 

[al010101]

it's not that i dislike them, it just that i picked up the 5.0 with auto tranny for 200$, so i put it in my b2000, hell of a lot better than it's 4banger, and the rx-7 needed the rotory rebuilt...and i had the caddy 500 with tranny layin around, so i figured it'd be interesting they're in storage but i'd like to get some pics, the 500 sticks out of the rx-7 hood, i had to cut a big hole in the hood (bout 2x2', i'm currently finishing up automotive tech school
(UTI) though, so no time/access to my cars for now to finish them

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by al010101
it's not that i dislike them, it just that i picked up the 5.0 with auto tranny for 200$, so i put it in my b2000, hell of a lot better than it's 4banger, and the rx-7 needed the rotory rebuilt...and i had the caddy 500 with tranny layin around, so i figured it'd be interesting they're in storage but i'd like to get some pics, the 500 sticks out of the rx-7 hood, i had to cut a big hole in the hood (bout 2x2', i'm currently finishing up automotive tech school
(UTI) though, so no time/access to my cars for now to finish them

Interesting projects, we'd like to see pics.

 

[idriveascoob]

i met a guy a couple years ago with with a 5.0 in his mazda truck, talked about it a little with him, apparently it's not very difficult. I've never really looked into but the mazda trucks and suv of the early 90's are the exact same things as the rangers and explorers, toyed with putting my '75 472 caddy engine in a '95 chevy s-10... thought that would be fun.

 

[al010101]

yeah the b2000 5.0 swap was fairly easy, had to make custom motor mounts and a custom crossmember, other than that...it was all wiring and cooling, well had to have the driveshaft shortened too.... when i get back home where the car is, im planning to put a ford 9" in it and get rid of that rickety mazda rearend.....

the rx-7, with the 500 caddy though, wasn't so easy, that one doesn't drive yet. but the nice thing about that is once i get the engine set, the wiring won't be much of a problem, good ole carb engines

 

[AWDtsimang]

IF you were going to be paying for the VR4 swap, I've got some nice farmland in Mexico to sell you.

 

[redeclipse97]

Originally posted by silvereclipse
Wee here it is, im pretty sure this is the 6g73 or whatever from a 3kgt. might be a 6g72 but its basically the same.

This is a photoshop job, it still has the stock non-turbo eclipse intake, and all the A/C hoses...I don't buy it! If it is, it sure as hell isn't a 300GT engine. You cant make an engine built for rear wheel drive fit and work as a front wheel drive car.

 

[JWoodley]

not all 3kGT's are RWD. The SL which is a NA v6 is FWD, just to let you know. and noone is trying to get you to buy into it. its an idea....a simple idea for thought provoking, not flaming.

 

[The1Bill]

Actually, that pic is not a photoshop. That is an Avenger 2.5L V6 plopped into a 2GNT. That is why the intake tube looks like the stock 2GNT tube. They are the same. That is the 6G73, which is a 2.5L. The 3.0 6G72 would be difficult to fit. It can be done in SOHC trim, but the DOHC block is slightly wider. Fitting the intake and exhaust streams into the 3000GT/Stealth was difficult enough, with a larger engine bay.
Another thing, a FWD motor works perfectly well as a RWD, and vice versa. An AWD motor in a Mitsubishi is set up the same way as a Mitsu FWD, laterally mounted. The AWD in the Skyline is set up like a RWD, longitudinally. Going AWD isn't a terribly big deal on the FWD 2G, and it has been done a couple of times.
So, to recap. The 3/S motor sits laterally, like our motor. The 6G73 is smaller then the 6G72 Twin turbo, so it fits where the 6G72 doesn't. Also, the 6G73 was available in the same direction as our motor, with the transmission on the driver's side, where the 6G72 isn't. Lastly, the 6G73 is capable of bolting to the same transmissions as the 420a, with a bellhousing swap.
Sure, it could be done.
Give me a sawzall and a huge budget!
-=B-=

 

[JWoodley]

horsepower estimations on the 2.5l motor? performance mods?

 

[guedo512]

Originally posted by JWoodley
not all 3kGT's are RWD. The SL which is a NA v6 is FWD, just to let you know. and noone is trying to get you to buy into it. its an idea....a simple idea for thought provoking, not flaming.

some are all wheel drive also.

 

[JWoodley]

AWD + AWS + active suspension + active aero + TT = VR4

 

[The1Bill]

The base and SL models were FWD. The VR-4 was AWD. There were no RWD 3000GTs. As for the 2.5L V6, there is very little available for it, in terms of performance. ERT is woking on a turbo kit for it, but I don't suspect that it will be a better engine to work with then a 420a.
-=B-=