Is an evo 4-8 Motor swap possible?

[k_dog007]

Is it possible to put an evo 4,5,6,7,8, or the new upcoming evo 9 motor into an eclipse n/t?

 

[ImportModder]

It's always possible to swap in those engines, but it involves a good deal of fabrication to mount. The cost would really make me reconsider trying.

 

[evolvingGS-t]

You won't be just just swapping out the engine. You'll be doing literally everything.

Hey, I'm not saying though that it can't be done.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Moved.

Yes you can. But the money it would cost would outweigh the benefits.

 

[k_dog007]

After these pics I found, the answer is now yes, go here to see URL="http://www.dsmtuner.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50362992#post50362992"]http://www.dsmtuner.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50362992#post50362992[/URL]

 

[drivemusicnow]

Haha that = hilarious...

DSM 4g63 into a 420A is a biotch because of the motors being reversed.

EVO 4g63 into a DSM 4g63 is a biotch because of the motors being reversed.

EVO4g63 into a 420A not nearly as hard as the above swaps...

That said, You're still fabbing engine mounts, and the trans/differential/ (actually just all of the drivetrain) would be a PITA to figure out. It would be easier to run it as a FWD, however I'm not sure what trans would bolt up to the evo engine and run FWD except an EVO trans that has been modified.


Eitherway it is not worth it, but still funny that people have done it.

 

[cc8balla]

It's possible, maybe not feasible unless you are willing to spend the money.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Why wouldn't you just buy an evo?

 

[1fast97gsx]

Why wouldn't you just buy an evo?

Good point, but then again ... why didn't you just get a gst?

 

[k_dog007]

I was on another subject of rear brembo calipers off of an evo and whatnot when someone had sent in a link with the pics of how he had done it. I went to check it out and never bothered looking at the engine pics till I noticed something odd, an evo motor in them. I was like, no way. The only reason I was posting that I found these pics is that I started this thread long ago to see if anyone had tried it. At the time no one had, now I have found 3 different eclipses with them in it. Am I saying that its worth it? Maybe for someone who has time and tools, and got a good deal on evo parts, maybe they had a wrecked one or something. Otherwise, I don't know if its worth it. I feel if it was an evo 8 MR or 9 MR, I wouldn't mind having it done. If not, your right, I'd just get a gsx.

http://www.dsmtuner.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226978 is the thread with the pics.

http://www.dsmtalk.com/gallery/show...check=0&page=1&sortby=&sorttime=&way=&cat=500 is the link to his pictures of his rear brembo setup using galant knuckle setup.

http://www.dsmtuner.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213569 Is the link for the thread on 2g/3g interchangable brakes and evo rear brakes.

 

[dr1665]

Am I saying that its worth it? Maybe for someone who has time and tools, and got a good deal on evo parts, maybe they had a wrecked one or something. Otherwise, I don't know if its worth it.

Maybe for someone who has a wrecked Evo they can scavenge and doesn't mind the risk of their perfectly functional 2GNT never driving again...

If you wanted to try this Frankenstein action, the best bet would be to find a 2GNT shell with no motor or trans - a parts car, basically - then find your Lancer parts and start figuring out how to make it fit. Supposing you had the Lancer front clip for $1500 and the 2GNT shell for $500, you'd be out $2000 total investment and still have a shell and decent 4G63 to sell in the end. No DSM would die so you could experiment with this lame-brained idea that just keep popping up over and over and over...

 

[k_dog007]

And if its true there are these 3 running around, and they don't fall apart, its a good idea for people with NT. Just looking at these pics makes me think they should work.

 

[Turbo Shogun]

If you have the time, the space, the cash, and the effort needed to do the swap, I say go for it. Why not? Don't expect it to be easy or quick, though.

No one said straying from the beaten path was cheap, quick and easy. If you don't have any of the said "virtues", then make like a little easier and just swap a 1G/2G or Evo I-III 4G63 in.

 

[k_dog007]

I just like to see that its possible and someones done it. I know that the NT is similiar. I mean it does have a swap with a v6 2.5 mitsubishi motor. that 2.5 has relation to the 3g eclipse 3.0 v6 motor, because someone swapped the 3.0 to an avenger. That 3.0 has relation to the 2.4 4g64 for the 3g which some people have mixed or swaped with a 4g63t evo motor. Somewhere down the road, up and over, around the family tree, there is a very similar relationship between 420a and 4g63t evo 4 and up motor.

 

[Jonathanlc05]

what about a 420A with a SRT-4 neon?
isnt it the same engine, and if it is then can i take the turbo from that?

 

[GSGoinFast]

And if its true there are these 3 running around, and they don't fall apart, its a good idea for people with NT.

No, its not. Not for the regular backyard mechanic anyway.

No one said straying from the beaten path was cheap, quick and easy.

No, but we have said that it was stupid, pointless, and a waste of money.

If you don't have any of the said "virtues", then make like a little easier and just swap a 1G/2G or Evo I-III 4G63 in.

I wouldn't really call those swaps "easy"... quite the opposite actually.

what about a 420A with a SRT-4 neon?
isnt it the same engine, and if it is then can i take the turbo from that?

No, and No.

 

[dr1665]

And if its true there are these 3 running around, and they don't fall apart, its a good idea for people with NT. Just looking at these pics makes me think they should work.

It's NOT a good idea. The pictures are of no help and here's why:

1. Notice the Asian characters on the license plate in the first picture? This leads me to believe the car was a non-USDM 2GNT, which came with a 4G63NT engine.

2. Nobody knows who owns these cars, so we can't contact them to get their thoughts on the "swap" or reliability.

The fact remains that the only reason to try putting any engine other than a 420A or "cloud car" 2.4 shortblock into a 2GNT is for the challenge of being one of only a few people to pull it off. The single greatest disadvantage to owning a non-4G63-powered DSM is that it costs more to go fast. Period. Let's compare a couple scenarios...

300hp 4G63T:
-fuel injector upgrade: $150
-fuel pump pgrade: $130
-FMIC upgrade: $600
-SAFC: $400
TOTAL: $1280

300hp 420AT:
-bare bones, DIY turbo system: $1000
-bare bones, DIY bottom end: $1000 (and that's one hell of a deal)
TOTAL: $2000

Right there, the 4G63T is at a better than $700 advantage. That's all they got on us when you really think about it. Sure, the aftermarket is a bit more tailored to them, but it's not that bad for us.

Now, you want to consider swapping in this Evo engine. Okay. Assuming you pay absolutely nothing for the Evo motor (which we all know isn't happening), and you pay absolutely nothing for the 2GNT (shell or otherwise, which you may or may not be able to pull off), then you would still have to spend money to make 300hp on it. It's close, but there is still some work to be done to hit 300. Even if you can get the 2GNT shell for free or your own car is paid off, the chances of you finding a pristine Evo motor you would swap into your 2GNT for free are nil.

So, now we all see that the only reason to even bother with this idea is to be different. These pictures prove one thing, and only one thing - that at least two people mounted an Evo motor in a 2G Eclipse chassis. They don't prove those motors ran. They don't prove that all the people who have said this is a fool's errand over the years wrong. They don't prove that anyone can do it. They simply show a 4G63 in a DSM.

It's not as if this has never come up before or that suddenly we've stumbled upon the one vital piece of information which will make Honda-style engine swaps all the rage in the 2GNT community. This has subject has been beaten to death and now some of us are trying to pick up all the sticks so we can burn them in order to prevent further beating of what is now a grease spot on the ground. We're not trying to argue or shoot down anyone's dreams, but we are trying to make damn certain that everyone knows that the only reward to this project is the journey. There is no financial benefit to attempting this, nor is there really any performance benefit.

Are the pictures interesting? Sure. Is the swap possible? Of course. Is it worth doing? Only if the challenge of doing something different appeals to you. Otherwise, how about we let this one go? The allure of swapping the 4G63T into a 2GNT is no different than swapping in a Toyota 22R.

Let it go, fellas. Let it go.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

There was no reason the bring back a a post over a year old with this info and then start another thread with the same thing.