All Memebers Please Read (resolution needed)

[HLude97]

What's up everyone? I'm not a DSM Owner, I have a Honda Prelude, and a fast one at that.......But thats not why i'm posting, besides i'm not an #@%#@%#@%#@%#@%#@%#@%. Here's whats up. One of my (younger) friends, a 17 year old, who can recite all the lines from Fast in the Furious, Recieved a 1997 GS automatic, and got onto "tricking it out" as of about 3 months ago. So he now has neons running his rear hatch supports, and tireflys, and he just had a $300 cat-back installed. He plans on getting his windows tinted and getting some decals for it.......... I know, I know. Also, before he bought the car i told him, maybe you should wait, Get a standard, or wait for an integra.........Well he bought in anyways, and now he's unhappy w/ an automatic (I am too), and decided only about a month from when he got it, that he'd tear the automatic transmission up, so his parents would buy him a 5spd for it. (that totals up to about 4-5, 8 grand neutral drops) but after recent events with a friends automatic screwing up, he now knows how expensive it will be to convert it, so he's stoped abusing it in that way. So keep that in mind when I get to the bloody point. Well I have talked to him about his car more times than i care to remeber, and i guess a little of my influence wore off on him, He now knows that w/ Turbo, his car will be faster than the average family sedan, No offense to DSM.... So I let him chew on that for awhile, and he finds his way to Hanracing, "hmm" he says, "I'll have the parents dish out $6 and buy a 3Stage Turbo kit for a graduation present, and it will own all other cars on the road!" okay so i'm thinking, maybe he's just forgeting this, so i tell him, when are you going to get an aftermarket transmission? and he tells me, "dude, the transmission will handle that turbo fine." So i laugh, and he gets pissed off. If you all don't already know what hanracing says their stage3 turbo kits will produce, they claim around 350-450 horses, i think. Thinking his automatic would handle full throttle abuse, 24/7 and be able to last his dropping it into boost levels right off the line. I told him that he'll need aftermarket modification to do that. Well since he thinks i know nothing, i've come to ask you guys about it. I'm going to print all of your comments off for him on the 28th, so if you wanna shoot your replys directly at him, feel free to phrase it like he's the one who started this thread. If you ever wanted to tell his fast and furious generation something, here's your chance. Auto-racing philosophies welcome. All comments welcome, if you guys think i'm wrong, then say so, he's going to see this regardless when i print it the 28th, i'll probably visit the thread a few times throughout the week to answer any questions you guys may have.

Thanks,
HLude

 

[BoostinAWD]

I think he should learn a little more about cars, before he goes turbo.
But then again it's his parents money so who cares right?
You really can't buy a turbo kit throw it on and expect to haul ass.
There will be alot of tuning involved especially with the level 3, and with the horsepower that will be produced he needs to worry about the bottom end.

Probably any more than 5-6psi and BANG bye bye motor.
There is just so much involved when turboing a NA car, you need all the right instruments, fuel system, bottom end work, and the fact that it is an auto doesnt help much. The torque convertor will probably beg for mercy and need replacing alot.

If hes into the "Fast and Furious" scene he should take your advise and buy an Integra or the sort.

Trust me it will save him alot of headaches in the future.

 

[HondaHunter2002]

k first off and formost tell him he's driving a 420a engine used in avengers and neon sports.. these are possible to turbocharge with the hahn's but i wouldn't reccomend(just my .02 cents) get a first generation dsm or a second generation turbo so he will have the 4g63 motor.. or do a motor swap.. i am not knocking the 420a by sayin this but i am sayin they are a way bigger pain in the a$$ to mod up than the 4g63.. second of all, if he's neutral dropping at 8k rpm's he'd be lucky to only #@%#@%#@%#@% up the transmission.. from the irresponsibility and total disrespect he has for his car i think he should buy a chevette or somethin that is a beater.. just take the money from mom and dad and throw in a turbo right?? hahahhahaha.. YAHHHHHHH RIGHT!! ITS THAT EASY TOO EH!!! AHAHAHAH AND YOU CAN REALLY TELL HOW MUCH NOS IS IN A CAR BY LOOKIN UNDER THE HOOD LIKE JA RULE DOES IN FAST AND FURIOUS LMFAO!!! ahahahaha boy does ur buddy have a rude awakening

 

[Goblin]

First off tell him he needs to forget EVERYTHING he saw in the Fast and the Furious 90% of that movie is pure HOLLYWOOD. Hahn Racecraft will sell him a stage3 but they don't car if his motor grenades because he still has stock internals because they get paid either way.

People on this site have made very respectable power with the 420A engine (GS/RS cars) but won't come close to the power people are making with 4g63 engines (GSX, GST, and TSI cars) without spending 3x the money, time and headaches.

Tell your friend that he needs to stop thinking that using words like "Stage 3 Turbo" "boost" "PSI" "horse power" and "Fast and the Furious" actually means you KNOW something about cars. I'll be the first to admit I use to be that way when I was 17 I thought if I used a lot of performance jargon it would make me sound smart and knowledgable about cars. I learned the hard way it just makes you look and sound really stupid. Comming to this site is a great idea and you can learn a lot here (I sure have, but still need to learn more), but you have to leave behind the mind set that you actually KNOW something before you can learn.

I'd recommend to your friend selling the GS and buying an Integra (you seem to know your sh][t when it comes to Hondas) or another car such as a GSX or GST that can more readily make power (that's what I'm doing right now )

 

[green95hrcgs]

I have a turboed 420A with a manual. Seems to be holding up fine. I am not sure that an auto trans would be able to handle the power a Stage 3 kit from Hahn will dish out. My car is much faster than it was, but by no means does it OWN EVERY CAR ON THE STREET. Not by far. Granted I only have Stage 2 and run 11psi. But he will completely have to relearn how to drive his car as far as launching dealing with wheelspin, and wheel hop, and tuning it. Costs more than just the kit. Gonna cost him in guages Fuel computers turbo timer, boost controller, etc etc. Things happen much faster when you have a turbo, and if he is not careful, kiss all that stuff goodbye.

 

[Malenko]

Originally posted by BoostinAWD
There will be alot of tuning involved especially with the level 3, and with the horsepower that will be produced he needs to worry about the bottom end.

The Hahn stage III comes with the stronger replacement internals. Your buddy needs to know that just because you CAN start off at a stage III doesnt mean you SHOULD start off at a stage III. If he really wants to maximize the performance of his car he'll get a stage I or II and kearn how to handle the new dynamics of the car then step up to a stage III to make the transition that much easier.

Also, its not just the kit they sell that he needs, A/F & EGT probes and guages, and Apexi S-AFC and tons of other little things will help him from destroying his car.

I suggst rather then just printing out this thread to him, let him come over and check out the non-turbo performance thread or hell the whole forums. Im no expert but these guys that post here (for the most part) know what they are talking about and I have learned alot from them.

Take care,
Thom

PS: you are the normal honda/acura guy Ive EVER seen post on these forums so I hope we can help your friend get "de-spilner-ed"

 

[ReDdSm]

sounds like this kid is just into the hottest new thing (f&f). he needs to hit the books before he gets into such a serious project. just tell him to stay calm when he gets to 40 psi while drivng under a tractor trailer

 

[HBM4G63]

Your friend needs to realize that In the Fast and the Furious the car was non-turbo. Even when he turbo charges it, it will be slow. Also with an automatic tranny it will not be great. You can not max out your gears with automatic. Also since that you have beat the snot out of his tranny it will not hold anything that the car has. I am surprised that the tranny is still working. Tell your friend to buy a 1G. If his parents are going yo drop 6g's on the turbo kit, buy a new car, but if he will not rice it out (hung wing, stickers, etc.....). Leave it stock and smoke ricers. That is what I say.

 

[Chris_FL]

If you really want to help your friend tell him to go to www.2gnt.com ...not here.

This is obviously a 4g63 place. And the wealth of information I have seen here about the 4g63 is very nice. You also have some very knowledgable 4g63 owners here as well.

But no offense, but there are probably 3-4 people here who even have a clue about the 420A. And lots of people spouting off incorrect information as fact.

And another thing, this guys comes here and disses DSM's ("his car will be faster than the average family sedan") and people start kissing his ass! ( "you seem to know your sh][t when it comes to Hondas").

I read his post as well and I don't know how you can measure his technical ability based on that. The only thing he did confirm was his incredible lack of knowledge about DSM's.

Go ahead and flame me.... I know it's coming. Jeez...some of you people need to get a clue!

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by Chris_FL
If you really want to help your friend tell him to go to www.2gnt.com ...not here..

But no offense, but there are probably 3-4 people here who even have a clue about the 420A. And lots of people spouting off incorrect information as fact.

Yeah, there is a wealth of information at www.2gnt.com and I still post there and I now own a 4G63.

Chris, thanks for the compliment buddy.

 

[HLude97]

Take it easy Chris! You know what I meant, The Altima 2.5RS is pretty damn fast (faster than a stock automatic 420a) along with the new sentra Se-R, The Rx-8 is a four-door (damn)! I wasn't using that phrase as in "station wagon slow". I was using it as in Modern Family Sedan, Subaru WRX wring a bell? what about a new Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII (hellll ya)???? I know my fair share about DSM's. Gsx's are some of the sweetest stock 4 cyls on the road (wish there were more.....Actually, no I don't ). Dsm's are probably one of the cheapest cars in the world to make 10-12 secs in the 1/4 mile, IF you know your #@%#@%#@%#@% in advance. I wasn't dissing DSM's in general. I'm not a proffessional, but i'm not an idiot, like I said. If he had a GS-T, and had all the other mods, (brakes, stabilizers, and some of the more technical engine outfiting: rods, etc.) He could spend $1500 (+ or - a few $) and put 320 whp to the ground, (don't belive me chris?? I can prove it, i priced the (kit) myself)...... BUT he doesn't... Check this out, Chris, Here's what i've got a CLUE about: My older brother Dustin had a 1st gen red GS turbo (he's 24 now), and a girl i dated, Ashley drove a white 2a gen RS (screw the critics, the backseat IS big enough) and My other friend J-ROD has a Red RS 2a gen. I've been under the hood of ALL of them, more than once! My car doesn't turn like a DSM, i wish i did, BUT i love my car, always have, always will, and i'll throw down for most anyone(with the xception of S-10's and stupid drag racing shite like that blah blah blah). D amn, some one needs to put a leash on chris, that gaurd dawg is getting out of hand...... your forgeting the purpose of this thread. ummm.... just exactly what "incorrect info. as a fact?"? See, i just WASTED everyones time typing proof i know something about DSM's..... Are you happy? or are ya thirsty for more !? Also, if you're such a pro........ Why didn't you put in your $.02?? "Just go to 2gnt.com"? If i had wanted to go there, I would have. You guys have a good forum, thats why i'm here.

Thanks again for those who have posted already,
Hlude

P.S I agree he needs to be "de-spilner-ed" , and i guess you need a 95 civic DX, 20 inch rims, an old fire extinguisher painted silver where you back seat used to be, hoses leading under your drivers seat but....curiously, go nowhere else! Plastic caps label NOS1 and NOS2 on your steering wheel (true story), glass packs, a 5 inch tip, two "fit-teens" in da back, caucasian, 17 to 19 years old who thinks hes from the "dirty south" to be the typical honda/acura A-hole. Thats....NOT me, I bought the "fast" stock honda. The H22a4, even AFTER i saw F&F. ALMOST bought a DSM, I drove a lot of them. Wanna know why i didn't? I'm 6'3"......can anyone say steering wheel tilt? Didn't want a civic.....period. If only it had been Rwd!!!!!.....or awd! It's one thing to have looks and frill, its another to have the shite under the hood for a good waxing of the local rich boys old 944 porshe (now thats the best feeling in the world, something you guys can surely relate to) D amn, I love having a "wittle bitty" 4 cylinder.
And about that 1st gen swap in his, i'm about to get my hands on a 1st gen turbo....... ANOTHER buddy of mine totaled it i gotta get out to see it to make sure its cool. but bryan (the guy i've been talkin about) isn't the only one that (needs) it.

Oh, almost forgot, sorry to the moderators! Didn't think to put the thread in the N/A forum, i see why you moved it, my bad.

 

[Chris_FL]

I just reread my response, and it wasn't directed at you. Except for this:"The only thing he did confirm was his incredible lack of knowledge about DSM's. "

My response was directed at the board members for giving YOU incorrect information.

"If your such a pro..." That's pretty funny. Dude please, your opinion of me is the last thing I could possibly even give a $hit about. The best piece of advice you got on this thread was to go to www.2gnt.com

BTW....anytime cucumber

 

[HondaHunter2002]

ok hunkalude i mean hlude97, we are here to help you with your friend not hear you toot ur hunka's horn all day long.. if ne one else around here is like me they could give a f*$k less about ur prelude.. we are rivals when we get into our cars. i mean hey, you seem like a pretty nice guy but we could talk our smack all day long about honda's and i'm sure you can talk your smack about dsm's.. but the conversation would be endless.. i'm happy for ya you tuned your honda and i'm happy you love it.. as long as you like it that's all that should matter but i really don't wanna hear about anything unless it's gonna benefit my knowledge to tune my dsm.. and ne one can look under the hood of three of their friends dsm's it still don't mean they know jack all about it.. and did u say gs turbo?? WTF is a gs turbo? conversion??
oh and to the other dsmers i didn't mean ne thing by my previous statement on the 420a.. its a good engine.. it's just money bags to make as fast as a 4g63.. but hey if you got the knowledge time and/or money.. GO 4 IT!!! and good luck

oh and chris, what kinda rims are those?? they are unique and not tacky i love them

 

[HLude97]

I don't hold grudges against dsm's, I don't own a civic, guys, mines more lethal than that, don't think i'm just another punk kid waiting to "smoke you all" with vtec power, I'm not going to kiss ass and say your cars are so much faster than mine, Hope you wouldn't diss your own car if you posted on the now dead Hondaprelude.com, just to kiss up to us. I'm trying to get a f*ckin answer for God's sakes, If I'm biased at all, its against domestics. I'm suprised you guys are so anxious to be on the attack. You guys are forgetting the threads purpose.... lets get back on the subject, PLEASE.


Chris, if your ever around St. Louis, call me up, if you think you wanna throw down. No offense, just friendly competition...... Yea that GS is modded, heavily, it WAS a beast.
Hlude97

 

[Chris_FL]

Same goes to you if you're in Miami I didn't mean to sound so defensive. I just get pissed at fellow members giving you wrong info. Everyone puts down on the 420A here, and it's all because they don't know any better. I'll tell you what, you seem like a cool guy. I will be more than happy to answer any questions for you over e-mail or AIM.

 

[cucumber]

Oh, Chris the nice guy...

Feel free to AIM me with any questions. Chris_FL, EvulFlea, myself, and a few others are very knowledgable with the engine.

 

[HondaHunter2002]

hey wait a sec.. i'm not dissing the 420a.. i've had my 4g63 beaten in by a few.. all that i am sayin is they are more expensive to mod that's all

 

[Goblin]

Chris,

I said "You seem to know your sh][t" because I'm not about tearing people down. Maybe Hlude97 does maybe he doesn't it hardly means that I am clueless simply because I wanted to comment someone and keep things friendly rather than say something stupid like "why don't you stick with your #@%#@%#@% honDU because you already have one and your friend sounds like a moron so he should have one to!"

So excuse the phuc out of me if being nice around here is a taboo.

 

[stickman]

I have a 420A.There's nothing wrong with the engine and it CAN make as much power as the 4G63.It just takes alot more money,time and effort.If he wants to spend the money and put the time into it,I think it is well worth the investment.(saves on insurance).But if he just wants to rice the h*ll out of it.Please do me and everyone else a favor and buy another car.That way some other guy that wants to make something out of the 420A has a chance to do so.Just my 2 cents.

 

[HondaHunter2002]

Originally posted by stickman
I have a 420A.There's nothing wrong with the engine and it CAN make as much power as the 4G63.It just takes alot more money,time and effort.

do i hear an echo? did i not say that in my message above.. yet i still got the "only thing ppl do around here is crap on the 420a engine".. ppl with 420a's are too defensive i think

 

[stickman]

Dude,I'm not getting defensive.I was just giving this guy an idea of what it's going to take to build up a 420A.MONEY!!!!

 

[HondaHunter2002]

Originally posted by stickman
Dude,I'm not getting defensive.I was just giving this guy an idea of what it's going to take to build up a 420A.MONEY!!!!

i wasn't referring to you as being the defensive one.. misunderstanding.. sorry man.. nothin wrong with 420a's.. and ya i agree with you.. too much bloody money to make them run like the 4g63..

 

[SOURCE1064]

He can beef up his trans with a kit from www.levelten.com It sounds like he should be shot for the stupid crap he does.

 

[HLude97]

This is the last day that replys are going to be read for this thread. Sunday Morning, I am printing this off, thanks to everyone who responded, i am very grateful for your guys help. I've attached some pics of a fuc )h ed up 1st gen eclipse that we may be jacking the engine out of. It's off of a GS Turbo, I know, but it doesn't say Gs-T, But it IS a 4g63, it will be expensive to do the swap around where he lives, everyone where he lives are hics that love five point slows. We will swap the tranny and everything. It won't be super easy, but not too bad, The 4g does have 120K miles on it, but i think its been pretty well maintained (Xcept for the fact that it was TOTALED, ). Now we've just gotta haggle with the guy for price........ I'll lead my friend to this thread and this site. He'll need a LOT of good advice, he wants his to be faster than mine. I'd like to put my car into the 11's soon.... He's gunna need a X..... Anyone seen that video with the Supra RB86TT RWD with the President of Top Secret getting pulled over???!! Hah! That kind of speed and power shouldn't be possible, did i just say that?

Thanks alot to everyone,
Hlude

P.S- did i hear of a 6g73(Vr-4?) in an eclipse? Maybe i'll start a thread about that.... and i took the color out of this picture, and i shrunk it big time, i've more pics of the engine bay and etc.

 

[HLude97]

This is the last day that replys are going to be read for this thread. Sunday Morning, I am printing this off, thanks to everyone who responded, i am very grateful for your guys help. I've attached some pics of a fuc )h ed up 1st gen eclipse that we may be jacking the engine out of. It's off of a GS Turbo, I know, but it doesn't say Gs-T, But it IS a 4g63, it will be expensive to do the swap around where he lives, everyone where he lives are hics that love five point slows. We will swap the tranny and everything. It won't be super easy, but not too bad, The 4g does have 120K miles on it, but i think its been pretty well maintained (Xcept for the fact that it was TOTALED, ). Now we've just gotta haggle with the guy for price........ I'll lead my friend to this thread and this site. He'll need a LOT of good advice, he wants his to be faster than mine. I'd like to put my car into the 11's soon.... He's gunna need a X..... Anyone seen that video with the Supra RB86TT RWD with the President of Top Secret getting pulled over???!! Hah! That kind of speed and power shouldn't be possible, did i just say that?

Thanks alot to everyone,
Hlude

P.S- did i hear of a 6g73(Vr-4?) in an eclipse? Maybe i'll start a thread about that.... and i took the color out of this picture, and i shrunk it big time, i've more pics of the engine bay and etc.