Who here has done the 4g63t swap??

[2gSittinLow]

i wanna know if any1 here has done it. If so, how much did u spend in total for the swap? labor and all.

 

[redeclipse97]

About $10,000...the entire sub-frame of the car car is different, your better off selling your car and buying a GST. The 4G63 will not bolt up into a 2nd gen non-turbo (I assume thats what your talking about) without some MAJOR modifications to the enginge bay and sub-frame. Just turbo your 420A or sell the car, don't even waste your time.

Please, trust me...

 

[2gSittinLow]

damn are u serious? i thought the engine would drop into the bay no problem since the GST and GS have the same bodystyle around the bay area

 

[big green]

It has never been succressfully done with out major problems. I would just build up your RS/GS or buy a GST/X

 

[2gSittinLow]

well theres go my plans out the window... I'll prob just go exhaust/downpipe/header/CAI/cams route... i really wanted a turbo and the 420a turbo'd is not gonna satisfy me. I wanted to be pushin like 300hp without spending a fortune.

 

[totaleklipse97]

no matter what engine u get 300hp is *NOT* an easy accomplishment! If your serious about that kinda power looking into higher compression turbo but since u seem a lil new at this u might just go for low comp pistons and eagle rods and a 20G turbo, do ALOT of tuning and some nice fuel management and it's very well possible. Don't give up on your 420A just yet, read alot about it. It is known for holding MASSIVE power!

 

[bedlam]

actually i beg to differ on the successful ness of that swap because i know of a person who has swapped with no probs. he's on the 2gnt.com forum and he said it didnt' cost more than about 4k to do it. he made custom mounts for it. as far as the sub frame, there only difference in a GST and an RS/GS in the engine comparment is the setup of the mounts and how the other components are setup under the hood, the suspension is all the same. the GSX has a different suspension setup due to the rear differential.

 

[91_laser]

just do all those plans you have for the 420a and spray it should get you to 300 hp probley not to the wheels but close enough

 

[clownface]

Originally posted by bedlam
actually i beg to differ on the successful ness of that swap because i know of a person who has swapped with no probs. he's on the 2gnt.com forum and he said it didnt' cost more than about 4k to do it. he made custom mounts for it. as far as the sub frame, there only difference in a GST and an RS/GS in the engine comparment is the setup of the mounts and how the other components are setup under the hood, the suspension is all the same. the GSX has a different suspension setup due to the rear differential.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102522

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113597

read through those, make sure you check out the links and everything......seems to me that that dudes swap didnt turn out successful, if you call that a success then you have problems, especially since he took the car apart, saw the error in his ways and got a GSX, like he should have done in the first place. I mean he even eventually admits that it was a mistake to try and do it.

"Now why didnt I buy a X in the first place? Honest mistake..... didnt know what a rs,gs,gst,gsx Was! simple as that."

 

[bedlam]

i didnt' say all swaps were successfull. i just know of two there were successfull.

 

[clownface]

Originally posted by bedlam
i didnt' say all swaps were successfull. i just know of two there were successfull.

but the persons swap you were talking about wasnt successfull. so you must only know of 1 swap that was successfull

 

[97eclipseRS]

Originally posted by 2gSittinLow
I wanted to be pushin like 300hp without spending a fortune.

ok its gonna cost you at least 6k to do the near impossible 4g63t swap and you would only get about 210hp out of it and thats not at the wheels. if you were to build up your 420a with a performance bottom end and turbo it, you could get into the 300hp range and it probably wouldnt cost you as much providing you went the custom route

 

[2gSittinLow]

Well what kind of setup do u suggest? I was thinking of a HAHN or STAR stage 2 kit and then building internals and upgrading fuel components and replacing a lot of other things. What would this push me up to?

 

[97eclipseRS]

Originally posted by 2gSittinLow
Well what kind of setup do u suggest? I was thinking of a HAHN or STAR stage 2 kit and then building internals and upgrading fuel components and replacing a lot of other things. What would this push me up to?

the amount of power you could obtain depends on how much boost you are pushing at any given time and what size turbo you are using. if you want to save some money, piece together your own custom kit

 

[2gSittinLow]

can u suggest what kind of kit I should piece together. What it would/should consist of. I was lookin at maybe a 16-20G turbo

 

[bedlam]

go with the hahn kit, then do the internals and fuel, if you tune it right you can probably see around 300 if not more. piecing together a kit might end up running more due to having to buy all needed parts and such like the oil feed line, which will run about 100-150 then the cost of a 16g which could run anywhere from 500-1000, then the piping, boost gauge, manifold, and such. for 2k you can get a stage 1 hahn which will come with everything you'll need to install it. i say save you the time of looking for parts and get the stage 2 kit since everyone is saying not to do the swap.

 

[2gSittinLow]

really??? 300hp on a 420a with those components??? can someone else verify that??

 

[Redmachine]

Originally posted by 2gSittinLow
really??? 300hp on a 420a with those components??? can someone else verify that??

GO to hahn racecraft website . shit the 420a with forged internals can handle 700 ponies. Do the research, this subject has been run into the ground. The only two companies doing turbos for our cars is hahn and star. The possiblity for a "quick 4g63 swap" is almost nonexisitant. and you need way more than 3 grand(this is being disputed by a guy that had the swap done so I won't say it can't be done) People with all motor setups are trying to reach 200 (and that so far has been immpossible without NOS or Turbo) spend the cash on the hahn get yer 275-300 horse which is how much a stock motor can handle before needing rebuilt

 

[2gSittinLow]

thanks a grip guys, i was thinking it was nearly impossible to reach 300hp with 420a for some reason. Well im gonna save up for the Stage 2 HAHN and go straight to the internals and reach for 300-400 and i'll def be satisfied.

 

[top_end95]

Since you're a newbie, please do some research before you make any decisions.

It is a lot harder to get to the 300hp mark on the 420a then most people think. It will take extensive tuning/building and MONEY!

My best advice for you is to READ, READ, READ!

*Edit*
Links fixed

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=28

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33872

 

[2gSittinLow]

links dont work

 

[top_end95]

Fixed.

 

[2gSittinLow]

thx