FPHTA-3586R or FP3065

[coppersmith]

 

[Strm Trpr]

The FP3065's compressor wheel is rated at 65lbs/min.
Now whether it'll do that with the 30R turbine wheel and ~.68 A/R FP 30 series turbine housing is beyond me.
What fuel are you using?

If you do anything, get your FP3065 HTA'd for $600 and never look back!

 

[coppersmith]

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[JusMX141]

Your profile information is incomplete, so for all we know you're doing this on a stock low end. If that's the case, stick with the 3065 as the limit of your engine will be reached before the limit of the turbo. Making over 500whp on a stock motor is wishful thinking for the majority.

If your engine's built and can handle the 3586 and the boost level necessary to make that turbo efficient, by all means upgrade if you can afford it.

The 3065 was my turbo of choice before I discovered the HX40. If I were to go back to choosing a ball bearing Garrett, it would be some variant of the GT35R as my planned build already exceeds the potential of the 3065.

 

[Strm Trpr]

If your engine's built and can handle the 3586 and the boost level necessary to make that turbo efficient, by all means upgrade if you can afford it.

Don't forget about the transmission too.

 

[coppersmith]

current setup..........

 

[1gDSM4g63]

You can definitely make well over 500hp with the turbo you have now, but if you choose to upgrade it all depends on which housing you choose you'll need to get the manifold that goes with it, but before you take the big step of spending $1700 look at Holset turbo. They are much cheaper and the spool rate don't lack the HTA GT35.

By the way, what's your fuel system? Which injectors and pump(s), etc...?

 

[Highbooost]

The FP3065's compressor wheel is rated at 65lbs/min.
Now whether it'll do that with the 30R turbine wheel and ~.68 A/R FP 30 series turbine housing is beyond me.
What fuel are you using?

If you do anything, get your FP3065 HTA'd for $600 and never look back!

+1. You can forget the Holet idea, the times page doesn't lie DSMTimes.org - Home.

Later DR turbo FP3065

 

[coppersmith]

You can definitely make well over 500hp with the turbo you have now, but if you choose to upgrade it all depends on which housing you choose you'll need to get the manifold that goes with it, but before you take the big step of spending $1700 look at Holset turbo. They are much cheaper and the spool rate don't lack the HTA GT35.

By the way, what's your fuel system? Which injectors and pump(s), etc...?

I have FIC 750 inj and walbro 255 intank , also where can i find the whole Holset setup at so i can price it out?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Generally people buy used Holset turbo off of eBay and buy either a T3 or Mitsubishi bolt-on housing from Bullseye Power. That can be half the price compare to a GT35 HTA. So far the most power that has been made is 685hp/584tq on a BEP Mitsubishi bolt-on hosing.

 

[andy4g63]

Holsets are awesome turbos... I had one and made 496 and 452 TQ on pump... But if I had the money, I would go with the set-up you mentioned: HTA 3586, with T4 turbine/divided/ and if possible 2.3 motor. This is easy 500+WHP on pump/only 22-24 PSI...

 

[1gDSM4g63]

+1. You can forget the Holet idea, the times page doesn't lie DSMTimes.org - Home.

Later DR turbo FP3065

Times doesn't say it all, it is probably the least effective to compare turbo to turbo. A lot of factor come into play with 1/4 mile times, like the how good the driver is or the engine mods they've done.

 

[Strm Trpr]

I'm going with a Bolt-On HX35 gated off the O2 housing with a FP Race Manifold filling it.
Should make for a gnarly ride on the local road courses on a stroker...

 

[bigjdog84]

The 3065 turbo is a very capable turbo. Easily can crack 500. We made 520 some AWHP on pump 93 and 620 some on e85 only reving to 8000 RPM's. Power looked like it would have peaked a little more, but we had ignition issues. This is on very little timing as well. Crappy intercooler, JMF old school intake, NT TB. I'm sure with newer/better parts we could pickup 20hp or so. Bottom end is also identical to yours.

All of these newer turbos are great, but just get your car setup correctly on what you have and you'll be very happy. Too many owner's spend time switching parts out for the newest and greatest thing and wind up having more problems than anything.

I would suggest ditching the 272's and picking up a set of fp4r's. At this point it'll only cost you a 100-150$ to make the switch after you sell the 272's. This will be a very worthwhile investment.

 

[JusMX141]

+1. You can forget the Holset idea, the times page doesn't lie DSMTimes.org - Home.

Later DR turbo FP3065

I can't wait until Holsets get some real-world results and quiets all the Garrett-humpers. I guess Rau running a BW isn't enough for you guys.

 

[coppersmith]

The 3065 turbo is a very capable turbo. Easily can crack 500. We made 520 some AWHP on pump 93 and 620 some on e85 only reving to 8000 RPM's. Power looked like it would have peaked a little more, but we had ignition issues. This is on very little timing as well. Crappy intercooler, JMF old school intake, NT TB. I'm sure with newer/better parts we could pickup 20hp or so. Bottom end is also identical to yours.

All of these newer turbos are great, but just get your car setup correctly on what you have and you'll be very happy. Too many owner's spend time switching parts out for the newest and greatest thing and wind up having more problems than anything.

I would suggest ditching the 272's and picking up a set of fp4r's. At this point it'll only cost you a 100-150$ to make the switch after you sell the 272's. This will be a very worthwhile investment.

what is better about the fp4r's? these are actually the HKS 272's

 

[bigjdog84]

You can make good power on the 272's, but you'll make even more with the fp4r's. More lift, and no loss in spool.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

HKS 272s is fine if you're staying with the FP3065.

 

[coppersmith]

HKS 272s is fine if you're staying with the FP3065.

My head should be back by wednesday or so car should be tuned by saturday hopefully, I will let you all know how it turned out.

 

[Highbooost]

Times doesn't say it all, it is probably the least effective to compare turbo to turbo. A lot of factor come into play with 1/4 mile times, like the how good the driver is or the engine mods they've done.

You are right, lets just talk power, these only took me a few seconds to find, the most powerful holset is 684. Minus the one outliar like you do in statistics show most common number for a HX 40 is around 450, not quite up to par with the garrets or BW for that matter. There is no comparison.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/350802-811awhp-fp-35rhta.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/350097-wingz-performance-hta35r-701-59hp.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/338313-640whp-2-3-er-built-35r-2g.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/337471-dyno-results-600-whp.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/324626-our-sleeper-1g-makes-619whp-out-fp3065.html

And I could go on and on, but nobody is even going to look at one of these.

 

[JusMX141]

You are right, lets just talk power, these only took me a few seconds to find, the most powerful holset is 684.

Correct, but this was done in a DSM bolt-on turbine housing. How many bolt-on GT35R's are making almost 700whp?

The reason you're seeing most HX40's making around 450 is these turbos are being used by budget-minded DSMers most likely running stock internals. You're making it seem like anyone who bolts an HTA35R to their car is going to make 700whp and run 9's.

 

[coppersmith]

so this brings me to another question, since the BW turbos are doing so well would it be more cost effective for me to go that route and still be able to do as well as the FP turbos? the setup iam refering to is the BW S366 with a T4 manifold, what kind of money are we talking about here?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

They go for about a grand on eBay, but let me remind you that if you're looking for faster spooling then you got to go with the FP HTA or Holset. Another turbo that may interest you if you're looking to achieve 800hp+ is the Holset HX52 87 lb/min. You can pick those up for about $500.

 

[dsm-onster]

I recommend the FP hta 3586r turbo. Or the t3 super40 (hx40 with the 60mm wheel) or twinscroll super40 with a true divided t4 manifold. The later is a VERY much more affordable turbo, but a t4 twinscroll manifold will bring the cost for the whole setup back to about 1000. The BW s362 ET is also a great option. All three turbos are consistant 650whp turbos. What are your goals? Not just HP numbers but, what do you want out of this car? What kind of maners for what application. . .

OP, dr. turbo has proven himself to be no fluid dynamics and turbomachinery expert here. He was banned from the other dsm website, because of his immaturity and lack of general common sense:

You are right, lets just talk power, these only took me a few seconds to find, the most powerful holset is 684. Minus the one outliar like you do in statistics show most common number for a HX 40 is around 450, not quite up to par with the garrets or BW for that matter. There is no comparison.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/350802-811awhp-fp-35rhta.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/350097-wingz-performance-hta35r-701-59hp.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/338313-640whp-2-3-er-built-35r-2g.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/337471-dyno-results-600-whp.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/324626-our-sleeper-1g-makes-619whp-out-fp3065.html

And I could go on and on, but nobody is even going to look at one of these.

Yea, no one really should bother.

You can go on and on becasue the GT garrett turbos have been around alot longer; caught on alot sooner, because holset simply doesn't market to the sport compact crowd (they have bigger fis to fry). They are used on many formula one setups. And there's probably 200 garrett gt30 or 35r turbos to every hx35 or hx40 on a 4g63. You need to look at the results around the world. Don't limit yourself to the garrett market. If you are multilingual you could just look at all the european holset results on the internet. And have big numbers in "a few seconds" . . .


838hp hx55 Volvo 850 turbo
865hp hx55 Volvo 242 turbo
619 hp hx40 Toyota Supra MKIV
575hp hx40 Saab 9000 turbo
568hp hx40 Saab 9000 Aero
550hp hx40 BMW 525 turbo
506hp hx35 Volvos S40
500hp hx35 Volvo 740

That was just from one website from one country in Europe.

As Justin mentioned, you forget or don't know enough about a holset to know that the bolton hx40 can make 685whp on a dynojet. And the BEP t3 hx40 made 575whp on Dave Buschur's MUSTANG dyno. Which is conservative and reads at least 18% lower than most dynojets. . . That's another 680whp turbo. Give it the turbine housings from the turbos you're referencing. . . Why don't you stop turning people down to something of which you have no experience? What a turbo most frequently does has nothing to do with its potential. How many 330-350whp evo3 16g cars are out there. Guess a 16g isn't a 400whp turbo then

Someone mentions a holset and instantly there's an unfounded comment based on hearsay, and a reference to a random list of some dsm times followed by HP numbers from the best in the business, minus the 633whp from the gt42r at 36psi WTF (the lower flowing hx52 in the dsmtimes website has done MUCH more). Average budgetminded guys are making 500-600whp with holsets just as much as BW and Garrett. Now that we have the holset vs. garrett vs. BW d!ck flopping lists out of the way, lets get back on topic. And help here. What is the OPs goal? Both turbos the OP mentioned ARE 500whp capable. And EVERY turbo mentioned or suggested in this thread so far can make that kind of power with basic boltons. Even the t3 hx35 can do that: 494whp with a low reading mustang dyno and a slipping clutch. . . So what does the OP want out of his setup?

EDIT:

Times doesn't say it all, it is probably the least effective to compare turbo to turbo. A lot of factor come into play with 1/4 mile times, like the how good the driver is or the engine mods they've done.

Amen! If we only went by the list, then noone would ever use more than a 20g for a 10second build. What a big pile of fail our DSMs would be then, with 99.9% of us falling terribly short. Think out side the dsmtimes. . . er, box. I don't know a 139mph fp3065, save Lucas English (awesome guy!). I do know the lower flowing 8blade hx40 in the bolton housing has done that on less setup. Click. Just as bolton, spools just as fast, but has room for about 100 more WHP easily with the super40 compressor. DSMtimes.org does not reference even 1/4 of the dsm guys using holsets.

 

[coppersmith]

They go for about a grand on eBay, but let me remind you that if you're looking for faster spooling then you got to go with the FP HTA or Holset. Another turbo that may interest you if you're looking to achieve 800hp+ is the Holset HX52 87 lb/min. You can pick those up for about $500.

wow thats whats up, where could I find those holsets?