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Siral3x said:
OK , so my buddy confirmed that stock pistons found in the EVO III have 8:8.1 CR.
I have the part number for them also, but it is irelevant for the US market since it is an MRXXXXXX part number not MD, and can't be ordered thru Mitsu dealers, not localy anyways.
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Evo 4-9 have 8.8:1 CR, the Evo 3 is the only Evo to have 9:1 CR.
http://www.lancer-evo.net/community/tech.php
 
DSMunknown said:
How are they different?













That's right. DSG, bi***. :cool:
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The intake runners are different , I know that for sure. Not sure about the exhaust side.
As you can see from the part number list the EVO III cyl. head has a diff part number then the 2g head :)
Also for all of you asking about the EVO III CAMS, YES the intake cam has a different part number then the 1g/2g cams!
 
I'm just wondering about the intake port sizing on the head. I have a Lancer Evolution III intake manifold, but I don't know what the 2G intake port measurements are on the head. Wondering how close of a match they'll be.
 
yeah...sorry I ment the intake ports on the head are different, a little bigger with a different angle, BUT I couldn't tell you much abt the 2G head since I never compared them nor owned a 2g. The E3 intake man might bolt up, you might need the E3 intake man gasket. I'm sure you know that the TB are different too.
 
HOW TO IDENTIFY A JDM EVO 1-2-3 4G63 ENGINES WITH EASE!




A lot of people are surprised when they find out that ALL EVO engines didn’t come with CYCLONE intakes, but the JDM supplier swears it’s an EVO motor! Well most likely you bought a jdm gallant vr4 or a JDM Mitsu van engine!
Even if your motor has yellow top (540cc injectors) and the correct turbo ,evo III 16 g (or variations for evo 1/2) that still doesn’t mean it’s an EVO motor!

I will assume you are buying a long block or combo tranny/transfer case/ecu/harness. If you are buying just the block/pistons/head I will update this ‘how to’ with even more specific info!

What to check for before you buy the motor:

1. Visual inspection quick reference:

-all EVO 1-2-3 have a black CAS sensor part no: MD184529;
-all EVO 2-3 have black color revised ISC sensor;
-if the engine has a cyclone intake it is not a evo motor;
-evo 3 had stock white color dip sticks only; (but it can be any color of course)
-evo 3 had silver top valve cover; (but it can be any color of course, red top I saw them before);
-evo 2-3 have a specific TB that is part number MD322173;
-intake manifold should be silver with short runners;
-there should not be a radiator fill cap on the water neck;(it’s located on the radiator);
-the IGN coil pack should be placed upwards on the intake man;
-the turbo for an evo 3 should be stamped: 49178-01470, for EVO 2: 49178-01460, and for evo 1: 49178-01450; (OEM turbo part numbers, of course they can vary)
-yellow top injectors should have a 540 mark on them or 585 mark on some RARE models(585 some U.K models);

2. More detailed information:

-The timing belt cover should have the part number stickers on them: on all evo 1-2-3 motors you should confirm MD191805 for the top cover, and MD191807 for the bottom one;
-THE MOST IMPORTANT detail it’s the IGNITION COIL and POWER TR: All evo 1-2-3 motors ignition coils should have a silver sticker between the no 1 and 4 coil reading MD192126, SHOULD also have RED and BLUE only wires to each coil; and the connector should be a Triangle shape 3 PIN!!! IF it is different then IT IS NOT an EVO MOTOR!
-the Power Tran on evo 2-3 models should only have 3 pins followed by 4 more and you should be able to read MD192127 on it!( not sure yet what PR on evo 1, I will check and update)!
-another important clue it’s the injector resistor box that should be engraved: MD099628;
-If you happen to buy the ecu/tranny combo then the ecus in evo 2-3 are ALL EPROM and should all read MD322364!
-the transmissions VARY but here is the trick to find out if it’s an evo tranny or not:
All transmissions should be stamped- ex : W5M33-2-ABCX!!!
The 4th letter of the second part (marked X in my example) represents the mounting location(vehicle type) the tranny is designated for, and should always be the letter
“ E” (evo lancer) any other letter M, K, or D represent different vehicles:M=Galant etc etc;


This is it for now, this paper should give you more then enough info to identify different evo 4g63 engines. I will try to keep this updated, because I have tons of more info about these early evos! I’m trying to locate some pics also!
 
Siral3x said:
HOW TO IDENTIFY A JDM EVO 1-2-3 4G63 ENGINES WITH EASE!




A lot of people are surprised when they find out that ALL EVO engines didn’t come with CYCLONE intakes, but the JDM supplier swears it’s an EVO motor! Well most likely you bought a jdm gallant vr4 or a JDM Mitsu van engine!
Even if your motor has yellow top (540cc injectors) and the correct turbo ,evo III 16 g (or variations for evo 1/2) that still doesn’t mean it’s an EVO motor!

I will assume you are buying a long block or combo tranny/transfer case/ecu/harness. If you are buying just the block/pistons/head I will update this ‘how to’ with even more specific info!

What to check for before you buy the motor:

1. Visual inspection quick reference:

-all EVO 1-2-3 have a black CAS sensor part no: MD184529;
-all EVO 2-3 have black color revised ISC sensor;
-if the engine has a cyclone intake it is not a evo motor;
-evo 3 had stock white color dip sticks only; (but it can be any color of course)
-evo 3 had silver top valve cover; (but it can be any color of course, red top I saw them before);
-evo 2-3 have a specific TB that is part number MD322173;
-intake manifold should be silver with short runners;
-there should not be a radiator fill cap on the water neck;(it’s located on the radiator);
-the IGN coil pack should be placed upwards on the intake man;
-the turbo for an evo 3 should be stamped: 49178-01470, for EVO 2: 49178-01460, and for evo 1: 49178-01450; (OEM turbo part numbers, of course they can vary)
-yellow top injectors should have a 540 mark on them or 585 mark on some RARE models(585 some U.K models);

2. More detailed information:

-The timing belt cover should have the part number stickers on them: on all evo 1-2-3 motors you should confirm MD191805 for the top cover, and MD191807 for the bottom one;
-THE MOST IMPORTANT detail it’s the IGNITION COIL and POWER TR: All evo 1-2-3 motors ignition coils should have a silver sticker between the no 1 and 4 coil reading MD192126, SHOULD also have RED and BLUE only wires to each coil; and the connector should be a Triangle shape 3 PIN!!! IF it is different then IT IS NOT an EVO MOTOR!
-the Power Tran on evo 2-3 models should only have 3 pins followed by 4 more and you should be able to read MD192127 on it!( not sure yet what PR on evo 1, I will check and update)!
-another important clue it’s the injector resistor box that should be engraved: MD099628;
-If you happen to buy the ecu/tranny combo then the ecus in evo 2-3 are ALL EPROM and should all read MD322364!
-the transmissions VARY but here is the trick to find out if it’s an evo tranny or not:
All transmissions should be stamped- ex : W5M33-2-ABCX!!!
The 4th letter of the second part (marked X in my example) represents the mounting location(vehicle type) the tranny is designated for, and should always be the letter
“ E” (evo lancer) any other letter M, K, or D represent different vehicles:M=Galant etc etc;


This is it for now, this paper should give you more then enough info to identify different evo 4g63 engines. I will try to keep this updated, because I have tons of more info about these early evos! I’m trying to locate some pics also!
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That is some great information. The next question - Is there any know distributers that are known to either sell or have access to these motors/parts?
 
www.camskill.co.uk sells evo I-III parts.
I'm not aware of a dealer in US selling them, but I know Mitsu dealers ship parts to other dealers, so if anybody works for a Mitsu dealer should speak up! I'm trying to get ahold of Mitsu motors usa to find out what options are out there. Last time I had the TC recall they were so cool and sent a flat bed in 2h at my house!
 
Siral3x said:
HOW TO IDENTIFY A JDM EVO 1-2-3 4G63 ENGINES WITH EASE!




A lot of people are surprised when they find out that ALL EVO engines didn’t come with CYCLONE intakes, but the JDM supplier swears it’s an EVO motor! Well most likely you bought a jdm gallant vr4 or a JDM Mitsu van engine!
Even if your motor has yellow top (540cc injectors) and the correct turbo ,evo III 16 g (or variations for evo 1/2) that still doesn’t mean it’s an EVO motor!

I will assume you are buying a long block or combo tranny/transfer case/ecu/harness. If you are buying just the block/pistons/head I will update this ‘how to’ with even more specific info!

What to check for before you buy the motor:

1. Visual inspection quick reference:

-all EVO 1-2-3 have a black CAS sensor part no: MD184529;
-all EVO 2-3 have black color revised ISC sensor;
-if the engine has a cyclone intake it is not a evo motor;
-evo 3 had stock white color dip sticks only; (but it can be any color of course)
-evo 3 had silver top valve cover; (but it can be any color of course, red top I saw them before);
-evo 2-3 have a specific TB that is part number MD322173;
-intake manifold should be silver with short runners;
-there should not be a radiator fill cap on the water neck;(it’s located on the radiator);
-the IGN coil pack should be placed upwards on the intake man;
-the turbo for an evo 3 should be stamped: 49178-01470, for EVO 2: 49178-01460, and for evo 1: 49178-01450; (OEM turbo part numbers, of course they can vary)
-yellow top injectors should have a 540 mark on them or 585 mark on some RARE models(585 some U.K models);

2. More detailed information:

-The timing belt cover should have the part number stickers on them: on all evo 1-2-3 motors you should confirm MD191805 for the top cover, and MD191807 for the bottom one;
-THE MOST IMPORTANT detail it’s the IGNITION COIL and POWER TR: All evo 1-2-3 motors ignition coils should have a silver sticker between the no 1 and 4 coil reading MD192126, SHOULD also have RED and BLUE only wires to each coil; and the connector should be a Triangle shape 3 PIN!!! IF it is different then IT IS NOT an EVO MOTOR!
-the Power Tran on evo 2-3 models should only have 3 pins followed by 4 more and you should be able to read MD192127 on it!( not sure yet what PR on evo 1, I will check and update)!
-another important clue it’s the injector resistor box that should be engraved: MD099628;
-If you happen to buy the ecu/tranny combo then the ecus in evo 2-3 are ALL EPROM and should all read MD322364!
-the transmissions VARY but here is the trick to find out if it’s an evo tranny or not:
All transmissions should be stamped- ex : W5M33-2-ABCX!!!
The 4th letter of the second part (marked X in my example) represents the mounting location(vehicle type) the tranny is designated for, and should always be the letter
“ E” (evo lancer) any other letter M, K, or D represent different vehicles:M=Galant etc etc;


This is it for now, this paper should give you more then enough info to identify different evo 4g63 engines. I will try to keep this updated, because I have tons of more info about these early evos! I’m trying to locate some pics also!
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STICKY!!:thumb:
 
OK so since we're talking abt evo motor swaps here is a pic of the exact motor mounts:
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Then I also found on an old disc of mine a lot of info on the evo 2/3 eprom ecus including a 'rough' pinout map and lots of diss. notes pertaining the MD322364 rom bin. I know you can swap an evo III ecu in any 1G if you can do lots of cuting/soldering. I was thinking of making a plug and play harness for 1Gs. I know the evo III fuel and timing maps are wayyy different then any 1G/2G, but it's been so long since I was researching this stuff.
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If anyone is interested in the evo III eprom bin dump and more details just ask...
 

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It has been 3 nights of almost no sleep and I got the MD322364 aka EVO III BIN DISS almost 70%.
I can oficialy say that I have found the FUEL/TIMING maps, injectors setup, etc.
These stock fuel timing maps are the real deal to try out on a evo 3 16g setup.
LET me KNOW if anybody is interested and I will post up! Both 1g and 2g cars can be flashed with the new maps.
 
Siral3x said:
It has been 3 nights of almost no sleep and I got the MD322364 aka EVO III BIN DISS almost 70%.
I can oficialy say that I have found the FUEL/TIMING maps, injectors setup, etc.
These stock fuel timing maps are the real deal to try out on a evo 3 16g setup.
LET me KNOW if anybody is interested and I will post up! Both 1g and 2g cars can be flashed with the new maps.
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I'm interested. ;)
 
THIS SH11t IS JUST FOR REFERENCE PURPOSE ONLY!
MD322364 AKA EVO III GSR DISS ATEMPT:

THESE ARE MY DISS NOTES/CREATED BY SiRAL3x!



FUEL table NUMBER 1 for EVO III GSR!

(start byte 717C)
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 84 86 8c 94 94
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 86 88 8C 96 96
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 84 88 8a 8e 9a 9a
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 86 88 90 98 a0 a0
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 88 88 96 a0 a4 ab
96 80 80 80 80 80 81 88 90 92 9b a4 a8 ae
9a 8c 80 80 80 81 82 8a 94 9c a4 a8 ad b3
9a 8c 8c 8c 8d 8e 90 94 9a a0 a5 ab b0 b5
9a 8c 8c 8c 8e 8e 90 98 9e a3 a9 ad b5 b8
9a 8c 8c 8c 8e 90 98 9d a2 a8 ad b4 ba bf
9a 8c 8c 8c 90 98 a2 a7 aa b0 ba bd c0 c4
9a 8c 8c 8c 90 99 a3 a9 ae b2 bd c5 c7 ca
9a 8c 8c 8c 90 9a a4 ab b1 b5 c0 c8 ca cf (end byte 7231)

Fuel table NUMBER 2:

(start byte 7232)
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 84 86 8c 94 94
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 84 86 8c 94 94
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 86 88 8c 96 96
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 84 88 8a 8e 9a 9a
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 86 88 90 98 a0 a0
8d 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 88 88 96 a0 a4 ab
96 80 80 80 80 80 80 88 90 94 9d a4 aa b0
9a 94 94 80 80 80 84 8a 96 9c a4 a8 af b6
9a 94 94 8c 8d 8e 94 9a 9e a2 a8 b0 b5 b8
9a 94 94 90 90 90 9a a0 a8 a8 b0 b2 ba bd
9a 94 94 96 9e a4 ae b0 b5 b7 be c3 c3 c3
9a 94 94 96 a0 aa b8 bb c0 c6 c8 cc cf cf
9a 94 94 96 a0 aa b8 bb c4 ca cb cf d0 d0
9a 94 94 96 a0 aa b8 bb c4 ca cb cf d0 d0 (end byte 72F4)


-----------------------------


Timing table:
start byte 7568


08 08 08 08 10 18 19 1a 1c 1d 1d 1d 1f 1f 1f 20 20 20

etc...etc...
etc....etc...




----------------


Rev limiter code (byte 43a4 / 43a5):

1c 01 cb 24 05

3750000/459 = 8169RPM STOCK REV LIMITER!

--------------------------


Speed limiter (byte 5257/5259):

5257: 86 5C L5257 LDAA #$005C
5259: 8F XGDX

143MPH speed limiter!


---------
FUEL CUT (byte 10F6):

10F5: C1 B8 L10F5 CMPB #$00B8

No fuel cut edit B8 value with FF(255);

---------------------
2G MAF CODE(wow what a surprise? :) )

WINK WINK!2G MAF CODE! L70FE
70FF: FF 85 85 STX L8585
7102: A8 B6 EORA $00B6,X
7104: BE C3 C8 LDS LC3C8
7107: CC D0 D4 LDD #$D0D4
710A: D7 DA STAB L00DA
710C: DC E3 L710C LDD L00E3
710E: E6 E8 LDAB $00E8,X
7110: EB EA ADDB $00EA,X
7112: EA E8 ORAB $00E8,X
7114: E7 7A STAB $007A,X


-----------------------

IDLE SPEED (Byte start:74D2)

Woot!woot! Got some idle speed?
74D2: 01 NOP
74D3: 01 NOP
74D4: 01 NOP
74D5: 6D 6D TST $006D,X
74D7: 7A 8C 9A DEC L8C9A
74DA: A6 AD LDAA $00AD,X
74DC: B3 5A 5A SUBD L5A5A


Stock idle speed for an evo III is : 872RPM ( "6D" x 8= 872)!!!


--------------------------------------


Octane maps:

Smells like octane maps to me :)
Number I MAP:
78CB: 0C CLC
78CC: 0D SEC
78CD: 0C CLC
78CE: 0E CLI
78CF: 12 18 1E 21 BRSET L0018,#$1E,L78F4
78D3: 21 21 BRN L78F6
78D5: 21 22 BRN L78F9
78D7: 24 25 BCC L78FE
78D9: 26 28 BNE L7903
78DB: 28 28
------------------------
78DD: 0C CLC
78DE: 0D SEC
78DF: 0C CLC
78E0: 0E CLI
78E1: 12 18 1E 21 BRSET L0018,#$1E,L7906
;
78E5: 21 21 BRN L7908
78E7: 21 22 BRN L790B
78E9: 24 25 BCC L7910
78EB: 26 28 BNE L7915
;
78ED: 28 28 BVC L7917

etc etc....they continue in a sequence....




To be continued with injector information/compensation/deadtimes..etc..
 
This is what devo told me

Turbo is different, cams slightly different,intake manifold much better and so is the TB,cyc head they say has a lil better flow, pistons are higher compresion,different exhaust manifold, bigger injectors
 
Ill snap some pics of my evoIII motor. Unfortunately all i got is my iphone to take pics with so the rez might not be the most desireable. I have made a few modifications to it so its not completely stock but it'll give you guys an idea. I read so much info on these motors and it almost ALL seems to be hit and miss. Some people post some really valid points but then mix in a little of what seems untrue. I CAN tell you this much, the motor drop's in with ease. The only thing I had to change was the plate between the tranny and bell housing seeing as im FWD. The starter would not engage the flywheel with the old spacer thingy ( for lack of a better term :p ) . I actually took the motor almost completely apart when i got it to install a BS removal kit. In doing so I did notice the rods look very similar to that of a 2nd gen, pistons a tad different. Obviously the intake mani is different but the ports on the head seem to be pretty close. I havent measure them and this is going off my blind ass eye's so bear with me. Exhaust mani has bigger ports. Oil filter housing is different. AC mount was different, and much heavier :notgood: ( hence why its gone now ) . The valve cover is much lighter and seems to be made of a different material, also the lettering on the valve cover itself is different then a USDM model. The CAS is similar to that of a 2nd gen but the sensor itself is black (and from what i hear better). There are a few other mild differences between the two. Like I said ill snap some pics and post em up here in the next few days.
 
HAHA! Yeah Im alive.. Been away for a while and also been up and down about getting out of the scene due to many reasons. I guess I have to face the facts though, I cant give away one of the only REAL loves I have in my life. I took some pics yesterday so as soon as I sync the photos Ill be posting em up.
 
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