RS49T Replacment Turbo

[johnfsmith]

My rs49t just took a dump after about 3000 miles! I called about the warranty and they'll replace it but it sounds like it may take a while to get it back. This is my daily driver so I need a replacement now! I guess I'm going to buy a new turbo and sell the rs49t after I get it back. my mods are in my profile. Here's what I'm looking for:
Price about $1000
3" inlet
work with my current o2 housing and sbr exhaust manifold
not from AGP

Any suggestions?

Thanks for any help!
John

 

[JiggahMan]

PTE SCM61

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

better yet a ball bearing PTE SCM6152

 

[johnfsmith]

better yet a ball bearing PTE SCM6152

Is that too much for stock head? What RPM do you get boost with this turbo? I like the rs49t while it lasted so I prefer something with less or the same lag.

 

[AWDer]

I am going to have to agree. After the several SCM61 cars I have seen, tuned, and ridden in lately, I am kinda falling in love with it. It is an awesome turbo.

Ludachris's car was flowing over 50 lbs a minute with it at 20 psi, and it still has a bit more to get out of it. That was on pump gas too.

Spool is pretty good too, between 4200 and 4800 rpms depending on setup. The ball bearing will be even better. I have not experienced it yet though.

Josh

 

[almostquick]

I'd say go over to FP and see what catches your eye.

 

[4wd-Eclipse]

better yet a ball bearing PTE SCM6152

I second that ... just get PTE SCM6152 BB.

 

[VRMAN]

For a daily driven 2.0L with a stock head I don't agree with recommending an SCM61, it's too laggy and will cut your "around town" fun in half as it takes too long for this setup to stretch it's legs.

I would recommend going with a PTE 60 trim. You get another 50-80hp bump in power, good flow numbers on pump gas and PTE reliablity. Check it out and see what you think:

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http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=2198&

or how about this: Dual Ball-bearing 57 trim. Quicker spool up than the 50 trim but more horsepower again:

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I think these are better choices because they match your car's modifications better and will be more fun for daily drivers, you don't drive to work on a 1/4mile track so screw the SCM61.

 

[johnfsmith]

or how about this: Dual Ball-bearing 57 trim. Quicker spool up than the 50 trim but more horsepower again:

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Where can I get this?

 

[oztofrdm]

SlowBoy!?!?!?!

 

[johnfsmith]

Thanks for the help. I think I'm going with the BB 57 trim http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=5044&

Can someone tell me if my oil return line from my rs49t will work with this turbo? The oil feed looks to be the same.

 

[IPT]

Don't forget that with the BB you will need your waterlines again.

 

[johnfsmith]

Don't forget that with the BB you will need your waterlines again.

Thanks, I almost forgot about that! Luckily I kept my old water lines so I just need banjo bolts and crush washers.

 

[cfisher]

Just curious. What happened to your RS49T. I have a RS60T that shot the craps on me about 3 months ago. It was less than 2 months old. I sent it back to AGP and they had Turbonetics fix it. Well, it's now starting to go out on me again and showing signs of leaking oil through the seals again. I'll probably do the same thing and have them fix it again and then sell it. Not impressed with this turbo at all.

 

[johnfsmith]

Just curious. What happened to your RS49T. I have a RS60T that shot the craps on me about 3 months ago. It was less than 2 months old. I sent it back to AGP and they had Turbonetics fix it. Well, it's now starting to go out on me again and showing signs of leaking oil through the seals again. I'll probably do the same thing and have them fix it again and then sell it. Not impressed with this turbo at all.

I haven't sent it to them yet but it was leaking oil, shaft play, chips in wheel from contact with housing. I had it about 6 months but only had about 3000 miles on it before it blew. Hopefully I'll be able to find someone to buy it after I get it back! How long did it take to get yours back from them?

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

Turbonetics seems to be hit or miss. Mine's been fine so far, zero problems.

FYI, AGP also sells Garrett stuff, just in case you weren't aware.

 

[cfisher]

It took a little over 5 weeks to get it back. It looked like they just sent me a brand new one. The wheel was tore up pretty bad from shaft play and the seals were shot on the 1st one. I had non stop smoke screen which was really embarrising. I put the new one on a couple months ago and yesterday I was at a stop light and took a big wiff of oil burning. I pretty much new what it was right away. Sure enough, checked my wheel at it had shaft play again and oil burns out of the exhaust. It's not constant but this is what my old one did and continued to get worse. FYI, I am using the complete oil line kit they sent me. I think this is more a Turbonetics issue than AGP. I've heard nothing but good things about AGP turbo's.

 

[IPT]

If you are killing turbos every couple of months there is something wrong with your engine. Next time you change your oil filter, cut it open and see if there is any metal filings stuck in it.

Also get a turbo timer to make sure that your turbo cools down before you shut it off.

 

[oldman]

If you are killing turbos every couple of months there is something wrong with your engine. Next time you change your oil filter, cut it open and see if there is any metal filings stuck in it.

Also get a turbo timer to make sure that your turbo cools down before you shut it off.

To add to the list, excessive crankcase pressure caused by poor ventilation, excessive blow by or boost leaks through pcv or valve seals resulting in poor oil return capacity can also cause premature turbo failures as well as a simple kinked return line. Let's also not forget one of the top turbo killers, boost leaks. I would check everything over before slapping on another turbo.

 

[cfisher]

I already went that route. Did a compression check on all 4 cylinders and they are all obove 160. The return line on both sides is perfectly straight. There are no kinks at all. I've got an oil pressure gauge too and everthing is where it should be. I use Royal Purple 10W30 if that makes any difference. I'm stumped. I only push 18psi on it. The RS60T does run strong as hell but it also keeps blowing seals on me.

 

[IPT]

I've got an oil pressure gauge too and everthing is where it should be.

If you have a oil pressure guage. Temporary install the guage right before the turbo and see what kind of oil pressure you are getting at the turbo. Too much will hurt spool and make the oil blow by the seals.

 

[pickens]

Wow. Why am I not surprised about these RS49T's failing. Oh yeah, thats because I had TWO fail earlier this year. You can read about them in my posts by searching "RS49t quality". Since the RS49t's failed I have since moved to an evo316g. To this day, my evo3 doesn't have an ounce of shaft play so there goes the "engine caused the failure" excuse AGP and a few others attempted to feed me. You just cant beat quality when it comes to Mitsu or Garrett turbos.

 

[cfisher]

I agree. I've been told my motor spit something out that ripped up the wheel on the first turbo. I have no idea what is wrong with these turbo's but there is obviously a reason why they are being sold at $699. I'm starting to feel I got the old case of you pay for what you get. Oh well, I'll have them fix it and go get something new in the meantime.

 

[GSX]

Wow. Why am I not surprised about these RS49T's failing. Oh yeah, thats because I had TWO fail earlier this year. You can read about them in my posts by searching "RS49t quality". Since the RS49t's failed I have since moved to an evo316g. To this day, my evo3 doesn't have an ounce of shaft play so there goes the "engine caused the failure" excuse AGP and a few others attempted to feed me. You just cant beat quality when it comes to Mitsu or Garrett turbos.

I agree. I have no idea what is wrong with these turbo's but there is obviously a reason why they are being sold at $699. I'm starting to feel I got the old case of you pay for what you get. Oh well, I'll have them fix it and go get something new in the meantime.

First, I'm not here to argue but merely to state my opinion based on the last two posts.

Second, although I don't discount your problems by any means, I feel it is right to set a scale against which your problems can be compared against the whole. The reality is that there are only a handful of problems such as yours, and that something along the lines of 95% or quite possibly more of their customers have no problems at all with their turbonetics turbos.

These turbos go out in their DSM kits, SRT kits, PT kits, and other specific turbo builds for various project builds they assist with.

Third, as stated in prior threads, if your turbo has gone bad once, then by all means THAT is something turbonetics factors into their products and will work with the distributor to repair/replace the turbo under warranty. If the turbo has gone bad twice, probability favors it as an oil pressure, engine contamination, foreign object compressor wheel contact, etc, issue causing the turbo damage.

Pickens, if your evo3 doesn't have any problems I'm truly happy to hear it ... sounds like it worked out for both you and AGP in the end.

 

[pickens]

Pickens, if your evo3 doesn't have any problems I'm truly happy to hear it ... sounds like it worked out for both you and AGP in the end.

Actually, it didn't end up working out for me since I lost shipping costs, engine down time, labor, and I had to sell the third turbo for less than I paid for it. All-in-all, I was probably out $400. However, I'm sure it worked out for AGP as they probably just passed the buck.

In any event, these turbos are less DURABLE than mistu turbos. In the same time frame that I had the two RS49t's fail I had a small16g and an evo16g. When I pulled the small16g off the car after both rs49ts failed, that thing had very little shaft play. The shaft play seemed better than the rs49s before I installed them, and yet my 16g had close to 20k on it. Then I stepped up to a evo3 16g which has been on the car for a few months now. Last time I checked it was rock solid in the shaft.

So, here's my conclusion. IF, and I do mean a big IF.. my engine casued the two rs49ts to fail, then the mitsu turbos must be more durable as I have had two stand up quite well to the abuse my engine has thrown at them. The rs49t buckled and failed in less than 100 miles both times. If a turbo is that fragile, I'll take a MITSU or Garrett turbo any day of week over a frail turbonetics.