blown turbo

[ashram]

Hey guys I'm so scared and pissed right now, I was parking my car last night and went

over a curve on the side walk. when I was leaving my oil light came on. I went to the

nearest gas station and bought some oil, as I'm pouring the oil I hear it leaking onto the ground.

I have busted my oil pan,I put some more oil into the car and try to drive slowly to my

house. my car then makes a funny noise and turns off.I open the hood and I see some

smoke come out. I'm hoping that I have'nt blown my turbo or headgasket. I

put a quart into the car today and ran it fore about a minute, because i have'nt replaced

theoil pan yet the car sounded find and there was no smoke. the engine light never came

on last night or today and there is no coolant leaking. will a blown head gasket or turbo cause

the engine light to come on? I'm just praying that I haven't ruined my car. I've only been

boosted for about a year now and I don't think I can live without boost. Sorry for the long

post I just needed to vent some anger.

 

[timloomis]

Check for shaftplay.If the turbo spins ok,its fine.I would be more worried about your engine bearings than your turbo,but thats just me.

 

[ashram]

how exactly would I check for shaftplay, would I just need to rev the engine or let it

idle? Sorry I'm still learning about turbo terminology.

thanks.

 

[timloomis]

It's ok,we all had to start somewhere.Make sure it's cooled off.Take the air filter tube off the turbo.Then spin the wheel by hand and see if you can move it in and out or side to side.It should spin round and round like normal.It's shaftplay if it moves any other way.A little bit is ok,but it can't move in and out,or the blades can't touch the sides of the housing.When you replace your oil pan,wiggle the rods around to see if they move,that will make sure you didnt have a rod knocking or fry a bearing.

 

[ashram]

Thanks I'll test it out tomorrow

 

[Siral3x]

hum....if you're still driving the car with the oil pan leaking, then no offence but you should not own it!
The turbo won't die on you just like that, but I'm concerned about your engines internals.
You should've left the car at the gas station and tow it home, and not even try to crank it on again until you know exactly what's going on, specialy if you said you were pouring oil and you could heard it leaking on the ground.
Replace that oil pan , and perform a compression test.
Best of luck to you , and I hope everything will turn alright for you!

 

[yunior]

sounds like what happened to me when I first got my eclipse it was leaking oil because the oil filter was not tight enough and drove it to the nearest gas station and put some more oil in it but it kept leaking ( you where braver than I was) I had it towed and after I got the oil fixed sure enough my engine went kaboom (and I'm not talking about the cleaner) like some of the guys said don't worry so much about the turbo worry about your engine.

 

[ashram]

Well guys and gals I have blown my turbo. I took of the air filter to check to see if the

turbine would spin and it is not moving. I've already called turbonetics fore the rebuild, I

have another problem though. i live in columbia s.c. and there is only one shop that I

know of that works on modified cars. They want to charge me 600 dollars to take the

turbo off and put it back on. I feel that this shop is charging me way to much. I called

the shop that put the kit on and they are only gonna charge me 350, the problem is that

the shop is in charleston which is 100 miles away. If there are any dsm people in columbia

s.c. that can give me a hand or recommend a shop please feel free to help .

thanks guys.

 

[timloomis]

Just unbolt it and send it out to turbonetics or whatever.It's not that difficult.

 

[ashram]

is it realy that simple? I have a star stage 1 turbo kit, the guy at the shop said it would

take them 4 hours to uninstall the turbo, I don't think its gonna be that simple fore me.

if you can give me any tips on how to take it off. I would appreciate it.

 

[95talon_in_ma]

Buy a chiltons manual, it's all in there step by step.

But before you do all that, do yourself a favor and drop you pan and check your bearings.
If you smoked the bearings in your turbo, you probably smoked the bearings in your motor.
If you do it now, it'll be allot less expensive. If you don't at least check them, a rebuild will be allot more painful.

 

[Splitpi]

Buy a chiltons manual, it's all in there step by step.

But before you do all that, do yourself a favor and drop you pan and check your bearings.
If you smoked the bearings in your turbo, you probably smoked the bearings in your motor.
If you do it now, it'll be allot less expensive. If you don't at least check them, a rebuild will be allot more painful.

He's an N/A with a turbo. Chilton's won't help much.

Ashram, Do you have a jack and jack stands? If not spend the $20 and buy a cheap set, a 1.5 - 2 ton is more than adequate for your needs.

1) Jack the front of the car up. Use the manual for your jack points. Remember you want structural joints and members to rest the car on the jack stands. All tools you will need "should" be in metric.

2) If you have some sort of heat shield on your exhaust manifold, remove it. You may need to crawl under the car to fully remove it.

3) Look at the turbo and exhaust manifold. You should see the turbo held to the manifold by 4 bolts, An oil feed line and an oil drain line (usually 2 bolts connected to it), Also depending on the turbo you will also have water feed line and a water drain line. The turbo will have on the exhaust end (o2 housing) be connected to the downpipe by bolts. On the compressor side is the intake which leads to the your air filter, and a pipe to your intercooler (radiator looking thing).

4) Unbolt in this order:
4.1) Intake pipe
4.2) Intercooler pipe
4.3) All Oil and water lines on the top of the turbo that you can reach.
4.4) Downpipe
4.5) All Oil and water lines on the bottom of the turbo that you can reach.
4.6) Unbolt the turbo from the exhaust manifold (at which point it will fall so be ready to catch it)

6) Collect and label all removed bolts to what they go to for later installation.

5) Send turbo to Turbonetics for rebuild.

Your looking at about an hour maybe two in work. The install process is in reverse. Use new gaskets and consider getting Stainless Steel bolts to bolt the manifold to the turbo.

 

[ashram]

Hey guys thanks for all the help, i have decided to just save up and have a shop

uninstall the turbo. this is my only car and I don't wanna risk making things worse. if any

one lives in columbia s.c. and knows how to unistall a turbo kit hit me up. I'll pay cash.

oh yeah split pi thanks for the detailed instructions.

 

[Splitpi]

Hey guys thanks for all the help, i have decided to just save up and have a shop

uninstall the turbo. this is my only car and I don't wanna risk making things worse. if any

one lives in columbia s.c. and knows how to unistall a turbo kit hit me up. I'll pay cash.

oh yeah split pi thanks for the detailed instructions.

Oh forgot to mention, once you crack the oil and water lines, your going to drain oil and water so be prepared to catch the fluids.

There should be lots of people in SC that can help you. Finding them is the key. Look on the South East Club forumns, maybe you can meet a few people to help you.

http://www.dsmtuner.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55

As far as worrying that you might break something... I wouldn't be too worried. The turbo is already hozed so you can't break it further. The only possibility is snapping a hard water or oil line going to the turbo... but a little patience and forsight in removing the turbo will solve that.

If you do plan to keep your car and do any work from changing tires to bolting on your turbo, then I would recommend getting a torque wrench to ensure everything is torqued correctly and bolts don't snap because they are overtightened.

But this all is about the confidence in your abilities. If you aren't too confident thats fine everyone started somewhere... in which case start small like changing your disk brake pads or something similar and let your wallet be confident for you

 

[95talon_in_ma]

Hey guys thanks for all the help, i have decided to just save up and have a shop

uninstall the turbo. this is my only car and I don't wanna risk making things worse. if any

one lives in columbia s.c. and knows how to unistall a turbo kit hit me up. I'll pay cash.

oh yeah split pi thanks for the detailed instructions.

Good attention to detail Slitpi, didn't see it was an NT.

A chiltons will help with some stuff.

But either way I would strongly recommend whoever does it to drop the pan at the same time. If you bent the pan that much, chances are you blocked the oil pick-up that sits at the bottom and sends the oil to the rest of the engine and turbo.

It only takes 15 seconds without oil for those Rod bearings to start scarring.
I've replace bearings on many cars and trucks like this. Even the main bearings. It takes a little more time, but well worth it. The rods can be done in an hour or two...

 

[Splitpi]

But either way I would strongly recommend whoever does it to drop the pan at the same time. If you bent the pan that much, chances are you blocked the oil pick-up that sits at the bottom and sends the oil to the rest of the engine and turbo.

It only takes 15 seconds without oil for those Rod bearings to start scarring.
I've replace bearings on many cars and trucks like this. Even the main bearings. It takes a little more time, but well worth it. The rods can be done in an hour or two...

Good point 95Talon, about the pan. It completely slipped my mind. Ashwan has a bigger problem than just the turbo... finding out why it leaked so much oil to begin with.

In Either case, I recommend getting a small 1.5 - 2 ton jack and two jack stands and jack the front end up so you can get underneath and inspect the damage to your bottom side.

And whatever you do. Stop driving the car, and stop using the motor till everything is fixed.

 

[ashram]

well guys I have good news a friend of my friend says he can uninstall the turbo

for me, this guy seems to know his stuff, he's got a sweet evo which he has done all the

work on himself. I also found a shop in lexington s.c. that can unistall the turbo, the guy

said it would be 300.00 to remove the turbo and put it back on. This is great news because

the first shop was gonna charge me 600.00 to take the turbo off . Oh yeah the

reason I lost so much oil was because I busted my oil pan. My car is lowered 2 inches,

I went over a side walk curve the other night and punctured my pan. this is the second

time this has happened, I'm raising my car 1/2 inch as soon as I get this turbo fixed.

thanks for the help again.

 

[95talon_in_ma]

Please tell me you are replacing your pan. And when you do this, someone will check the bearings..

My car is lowered 2 inches too. I know things are closer, but I still wouldn't be taking my car over curbs, even at stock height...

Since it already happened twice you may be wise to get a skid plate....

 

[ashram]

Yeah the pan has already been replaced but we didn't check the bearings. I'll have to

get it checked when the shop takes my turbo off. I'm still learning about maintaining a

turbo charged car. will there be metal shavings or something in the oil pan? I didn't

intinially mean to go over the curve, it was an accident

 

[andymoraitis]

You've gotten some great advice from a number of people in this thread (good job guys!) and the only thing I would stress is removing the oil pan again to see if you can wiggle the rods. Looking for shavings (copper color) and also any fine silver particles will let you know if the bottom end was hurt from oil starvation.

Here's to hoping she's good.

Andy

 

[Splitpi]

Yeah the pan has already been replaced but we didn't check the bearings. I'll have to

get it checked when the shop takes my turbo off. I'm still learning about maintaining a

turbo charged car. will there be metal shavings or something in the oil pan? I didn't

intinially mean to go over the curve, it was an accident

The easy way to maintain your car is to drive it only on hard, flat road surfaces

 

[ashram]

you guys and gals rock, its so good to be able to have a good technical source fore my

car. I have an appointment at the shop on tuesday so I'll keep you guys posted .

 

[ashram]

Hey guys and gals I posted a couple of weeks ago about my blown turbo, well I finally got

my car back, and its such a great feeling to be boosting again. Turbonetic inc is a great

company those guys rebuilt my turbo in one day and even shipped it back for free. I was

also lucky that my turbo was still under warranty, If any of you guys live in columbia S.C.

I definately recommend abbots automotive . this shop only charged me 270 to

reinstall my turbo, alot better than the 640 I got quoted by first shop who I will not mention.

I also want to thank eveyone that helped me when I first posted my problem.

 

[JLangevin]

Excellent! Now dont go rolling over sidewalks and curbs again!