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ya id say 350-400 is realistic # im at 315 with no head work what so ever and i got a 16g. i hear the 20g is good but a lil laggy. IMO the 16g is great!
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kevin p. s-c EVOIII B16G 1993 talon tsi awd
The 20g is a great turbo for a FWD i think, its a great amount of power that can be reached along with the lag helps with not breaking the tires loose too soon.
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im doing a complete build forged internals and full head work and everything im puting 4,000 into my engine. and plan on another 3,000 for my turbo/fuel system set up i want to hit about 350-400 hp and im just not sure what turbo and what tuneing system to go with??? i need help
Make sure u have all the supporting mods before u try and takle that 400Hp mark. Especially with a 16g. small 16g rated at 320 to the wheels and big16g is like 385hp. Every car is different so its really going to depend on your setup and TUNE.
I would say just get a 50 trim or a Holset HX35 if your dumpin all that money into building your car might as well go big and reach your goals without maxing out your turbo and blowing hot air. Just my 2 cents
I had similar goals for my 96 n/t before it was totaled A 16g and a good tune should put you at the lower end of your hp goals. I was planning on going Holset with a good built bottom end and shooting for the 400+ hp range. The 420a crank balanced can hold up near the tune of 450+ hp reliably i've been told
Hell Id say the 16g is just fine. You will have traction issues and that may be a reason to get a bigger turbo with lag, to help you hook up sooner before the real boost kicks in.
7 grand into a 420a... damn man.. If I had 7 thousand dollars to put into my gsx it would be a low 11 500+ hp beast.. what I am trying to say before you go that route seriously think about just selling that car and moving on the mitsubishi's best power plant.. 4G63!
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7 grand into a 420a... damn man.. If I had 7 thousand dollars to put into my gsx it would be a low 11 500+ hp beast.. what I am trying to say before you go that route seriously think about just selling that car and moving on the mitsubishi's best power plant.. 4G63!
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It takes too much money to make a reliable high power 420a. Sell it and get a turbo AWD DSM. You will regret it if you don't.
i understand when you have an idea and your mind is set it sucks to have people tell you that you should do something else but sometimes not wasting money is so much better buy an awd and you wont regret it.. my fwd talon is all stock with a apexi dp and thermal catback ...stock boost and it spins the tires all through first and half of second imagine a car fwd with 400hp.. just something to consider
like everyone else said, it is possible to make that kind of power with a 16 g but also if you are wanting a turbo car, it would be better to just try and find you a 4g63 turbo car and then build that, but if you are set on using your 420 a engine i say go for it.
Build whatever car you want with whatever motor dude. You have had all Turbo guys respond to your question. There are plenty of N/T guys with turbo's doing nasty things. And loss of traction is part of the game. Talk to the people who have done it, not the people who skipped it and bet on the winning horse (4g63).
thanks reclipsergst and thanks everyone else i am doing a 420a build ive been around dsms long enough to know that its more expensive and harder to do a 420a but i like that challange and being the odd guy out
is the 20g over kill and im getting the turbo ported and clipped if i get the 16g is that a good idea?
There are more turbos out there what what Hahn makes for the 420A.
A couple things to remember:
- Hahn 16G & 20G turbos have T3 turbine housings. No need to port something that is already too large for most street-driven 4-cylinders.
- Most of the manifolds available for your car have a T3 flange, meaning your turbo choices are endless. You can run something as small as the stock turbo from a Mercedes to a HTA3586R.
- Don't come here asking what a particular turbo can make when it's maxed out. Give us a total horsepower number you'd like to make, and we can recommend a turbo that will get you there if you do not understand how to read compressor maps or translate airflow numbers into horsepower.
- Keep in mind that more horsepower requires a bigger turbo, and a bigger turbo adds lag....there's no way around that. You're not going to have a 500whp car that spools like a 16G-powered car.
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~Justin~ '92 TSi FWD, '93 TSi AWD, '97 Eclipse GS
A 16g and a good tune should put you at the lower end of your hp goals. I was planning on going Holset with a good built bottom end and shooting for the 400+ hp range. The 420a crank balanced can hold up near the tune of 450+ hp reliably i've been told
