Same Side Intercoolers

[knochgoon24]

So, I was browsing ebay looking at different intercoolers when I found this one.
eBay Motors: CXRacing INTERCOOLER FMIC 29x8x3.5 1-SIDE Talon Eclipse (item 290246819517 end time Jul-24-08 22:19:26 PDT)

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It seems like this one might be easier to route since there is a good bit more room on the passenger side of the engine bay.

If someone is running one of these, pics of your pipe routing would be nice.

I'm just curious if anyone is running one of these or if there is a reason you don't see people using same side setups.
--I know that having those two 90° bends aren't the greatest for air flow but I'm not planning on ever putting anything bigger than a 16g on this car. I'm just looking for a cheap replacement for my bent and crushed side mount.

 

[Yngvar]

if you want a cheep inter cooler try this one DSM INTERCOOLER KIT 1995 - 1999 2ND GEN 4G63, Mitsubishi Intercooler Kits, XS Power Inc.

 

[PIMking]

Has anyone used these? The kit for 1g is kinda cheap.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

I don't have any experience with the same side intercooler. But, I did buy my intercooler from that same Seller on EBAY. The shipping is fast and I got what was described. I have yet to put piping to it, but it looks nice.

I was looking at that one also seeing as how it would be easy to make piping for it. Buy it and see how you like it!!! Then tell us all how you enjoy it!! Oh yea take a lot of pictures and do a tech/parts review of it for all of us!!

 

[DSMunknown]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...falls-one-sided-front-mount-intercoolers.html


IMO the only way that FMIC would be (somewhat) efficient is if there's a divider plate between both end tank openings. If not, then it's just a really shitty design.

 

[PIMking]

I was asking abou the link that was posted above my other post. not the same sided ic.

 

[DSMunknown]

And I'm talking to the OP.

 

[No_Skillz]

Obviously, you will need some sort of dividier like the following. But it wouldn't be any easier to route since there is alot of room for pre-core piping for opposing side intercoolers. As a matter of fact, the piping would have to make several more complicated turns and airflow would have to change several more angles than a "standard" IC.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Yea, now that I think about it. It's a crappy design. Air going into the intercooler is hot and then (if it has a divider plate) will go to the other side getting cool. Then, It has to come back through the intercooler to the side that is HOT. Therefore not doing a whole hell of a lot for cooling the air temps down. Not good.

Unless you think the top will stay cool when the bottom is hot... Don't think it would. Then again there are other companies that make an intercooler similar to that one. And I have seen some people on here use them. Ask Mavisky I believe he has a same side intercooler. Then again I think his is a top to bottom flow.

 

[knochgoon24]

So popular opinion is that something like this would happen to the air temp inside the intercooler.

It looks like there is a slightly discolored stripe on the end tank where a divider must be welded inside.

 

[Fiascoxl]

i had a intercooler just like that on my colt. there is no divider on the endtank side. if you count the bars theres five for the top and five for the bottom. there is a thin wall that seperates them on the piping side though. you would think that with one on top of each other it would effect its cooling capabilities but i had felt the inlet vs the outlet after hard pulls and the difference was night and day! one plus was that i had a very short amount of piping!

 

[Fiascoxl]

Heres a couple of pics when i was mocking it up. Notice I had the hot side coming out at the bottom so it would get the best airflow.

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[knochgoon24]

i had a intercooler just like that on my colt. there is no divider on the endtank side. if you count the bars theres five for the top and five for the bottom. there is a thin wall that seperates them on the piping side though. you would think that with one on top of each other it would effect its cooling capabilities but i had felt the inlet vs the outlet after hard pulls and the difference was night and day! one plus was that i had a very short amount of piping!

It's good to hear from someone who actually used one. My plan was to pipe it very similarly to yours, except I want to use the old intercooler hole (where you have your cold side coming up through) to make a cold air intake. I'd bring it up beside the wheel well, under my intake and then up. Right now I just have an open air filter under the hood and my intake temps are 10-20° warmer than ambient when I'm just cruising down the highway under no boost.

I just need something a bit better than my side mount. This car is a DD and will only see the track maybe 2 or 3 times a year.

When I looked closer at the pictures off ebay, it seems that the piping side divider lines up with a row of fins, so that should definitely help eliminate the reheating of the cooled air.

It would be sweet if someone had a thermal camera to take pics of intercoolers after running them hard so we could settle some arugments once-and-for-all.

 

[clean96GST]

if you want a cheep inter cooler try this one DSM INTERCOOLER KIT 1995 - 1999 2ND GEN 4G63, Mitsubishi Intercooler Kits, XS Power Inc.

Is this actually a decent intercooler?

 

[lowandsleekDSM]

I`ll have to chime in on this thread, because my intercooler is the same design (just a tad bit bigger)as the one the OP is looking at and let me tell you its REALLY easy to run the pipping for thie type of intercooler and thats why i chose it. But on a 2G car, you will loose the passenger side fog light but this is ok because i use the passenger fog light cut out as an access for the intercooler pipes going into the intercooler (and yes that was planned ), i just took both of the fog lights out since they really didnt work anyways. To me its a good design wise when it comes to routing your pipes but i hated the aluminum brackets my IC came with so i just used some thin steel pieces and just made a couple of sturdy brackets and my IC is solid.

 

[DSMunknown]

Can anyone verify if there is a divider plate between the end tank inlet and outlet? Important info to know.

 

[knochgoon24]

I`ll have to chime in on this thread, because my intercooler is the same design (just a tad bit bigger)as the one the OP is looking at and let me tell you its REALLY easy to run the pipping for thie type of intercooler and thats why i chose it. But on a 2G car, you will loose the passenger side fog light but this is ok because i use the passenger fog light cut out as an access for the intercooler pipes going into the intercooler (and yes that was planned ), i just took both of the fog lights out since they really didnt work anyways. To me its a good design wise when it comes to routing your pipes but i hated the aluminum brackets my IC came with so i just used some thin steel pieces and just made a couple of sturdy brackets and my IC is solid.

I will still be able to keep mine. I have aftermarket ones mounted to the bumper cover.

Can anyone verify if there is a divider plate between the end tank inlet and outlet? Important info to know.

If you click the ebay link, you can see a line of discoloration on the piping-side tank. Since it's a straight line perfectly between the inlet/outlet, the only thing I think it would be is a weld. It wouldn't make sense to have an intercooler without a divider there. I don't think the company is that dumb.

 

[kittay]

I had a side to side FMIC. It wasn't very tall, and seemed to hang kinda low, esp compared to the larger one I have on now.

Also, be careful with the ebay ones, since they like to blow the welds. For price wise, I would check out ETS they make good stuff and great priced!

 

[tkelly27]

That style is like having one really long opposite side intercooler. The problem is that for that core size you are getting a higher pressure drop by going through the core twice with half the flow area. A top to bottom style puts the inlet and outlet on the same side and uses the entire core area for flow. Running through it twice ensures the charge is as cold as it's going to get, but you are for sure giving up pressure/flow to get that compared to other styles.

I've seen one in person, there is for sure a divider. It wouldn't work otherwise : D

I can't comment on weather it would be a good upgrade over the SMIC or not though, that's something that would really have to be tested.

 

[toojung2die]

It seems like this one might be easier to route since there is a good bit more room on the passenger side of the engine bay.

Your profile indicates you still have the T25 turbo. One advantage of this intercooler for you would be easy IC pipe routing since the T25 outlet is directed to the passenger side. This intercooler will be easy to install in this case. You could upgrade to a T28 or Big28 in the future and and not have to change anything. The size of this intercooler is suited for street applications and a big improvement over the stock intercooler. Another advantage to an intercooler of this size is there will still be good air flow to the radiator and less chance of cooling problems.

You may wish you had opted for a bigger side to side intercooler if your HP goals get bigger in the future.

 

[dikdiamond]

I emailed CXMotorsports last night and confirmed that there are dividers in this intercooler.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

I would opt for something like this:

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This design would make the air only pass through the intercooler core once leaving you with less pressure drop and better cooling capabilities.

 

[DSMunknown]

^ I have said in other threads that this intercooler design is one of the best FMICs for our engine layout. However, this style still needs at least one flow divider to be highly effecient IMHO.

 

[turboglenn]

I would opt for something like this:

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This design would make the air only pass through the intercooler core once leaving you with less pressure drop and better cooling capabilities.

I have this intercooler core ( but from spearco not "xspower" ) and I have used the same core on several other builds including another DSM, a Grand National, a turbo Mustang 2.3 liter, and even on an 88 turbo II Rx-7. They have performed flawlessly in every application i've used them on IMO.

What i like about them is there's no "hard edges" or places for a turbulent to form on the end tanks (at least not like the flat end tank ones you see all over the place), and that although same side inlets, there's no way for the air to "bypass" any of teh cooling areas it should pass through.

Two of the cars i've put them on have Dyno'd over 600 HP (one eclipse and the GN ) And although i've seen better cooling on more expensive untis i have to say this is my "trusty standby" as far as a core i know is good looking, reliable, and tough.. not to mention it's affordable.

One thing i REALLY LIKE is that for meth injection, if you use the bottom inlet/outlet as the feed from the IC to the TB there's no where that a fluid could puddle up (i.e. pre-intercooler meth injection ) The end tanks are very sturdy as well (at least on teh spearco) because on the GN build we had the BOV welded directly to the inlet side of the intercooler end tank and there was plenty of meat there when we formed the hole.. We had to pay some one else to weld it since i couldn't do AL back then though.

 

[lowandsleekDSM]

Well your actually right toojung2die, its easy for the stock setup for this type of intercooler. But i`m switching to a 14b actually and i do plan on changing the pipping going to the turbo anyways (i have a little extra pipping left over) so its not big deal. The size of the intercooler is ok for me right now and besides it does hang a little low for my liking but like i said its ok for me for right now, probably the bigest i`ll go is a evo316g at the most.