fp3052

[dsmerjosh]

Can the stock motor support the fp3052 at 22lbs of boost reliable.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Have you ever done a compression test. If not, go buy a compression tester from jcwhitney or a local auto parts store. Check your compression to see if you have good compression. Always start with a healthy motor. On a 1g, you want 125-175. I pulled somewhere around a 135. I have 185,000 miles. But, could you do it, yes, for how long, well......thats a different story. What your car will need is a full fuel system, 255 pump, at least 850s. A fpr to set base fuel pressure. And something to tune, such as a afc with logger, or dsmlink. You are going to need a fmic if you dont want to knock, and thats just to start. Hope that answered your question. BTW, nice turbo choice.

James

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

After reading your info, you already have a 255 and 750 cc. I hope you have a fpr and a logger and a form of afc. So you seem to people able to run a 3052 without any hiccups. Sooner or later, you are going to have to upgrade your internals. Those turbos FLOW.


James

 

[dsmerjosh]

After reading your info, you already have a 255 and 750 cc. I hope you have a fpr and a logger and a form of afc. So you seem to people able to run a 3052 without any hiccups. Sooner or later, you are going to have to upgrade your internals. Those turbos FLOW.


James

Yeah i've done alot of research. I've had several super afc cars but never the dsm link. I really wanted to go with that. You think the 780 will do. Also I figured sooner or later i'd have to but I roof so can't get motor till summer. 2.3 stroker.

 

[Zex4g63]

A good condition stock motor will handle that turbo fine. An AFC will be miseralbe tuning injectors that big.

 

[kahl23]

Why would you spend that much money on a turbo and not use it to its potential. If you only are going to run 22 psi, go with a 16G or something like that. The 3052 is for much higher boost pressures than that (which you obviously shouldn't do on stock internals). Save your money and try not to get sucked in by the sex appeal of ball bearings.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

I think he only wants to run 22psi for right now, until he builds his motor. Thats a good turbo, lots of potential, ball bearing so smooth operation for thousands of passes. Like someone else said, its hard to tune big injectors. 780's will work, but just watch those duty cycles. You run lean only once, and it could be bye-bye. If and when you go with that turbo, get some 272 or 280 cams and let it breath. Also, a stroker wont be as good for that turbo since that turbo is better for higher rpm, and strokers arent as reliable in the upper rpm range, such as 8000-9000 range. There are some great threads about that. Something to think about.

James

 

[Mikael SS]

Why would you spend that much money on a turbo and not use it to its potential. If you only are going to run 22 psi, go with a 16G or something like that. The 3052 is for much higher boost pressures than that (which you obviously shouldn't do on stock internals). Save your money and try not to get sucked in by the sex appeal of ball bearings.

it'll make way more power at 22psi than a 16g will- some people don't want to run race fuel. Just because it can make more power at higher boost levels doesn't mean you have to run it that high.


for the original poster, with a healthy motor and good tuning you'll be fine. What are your hp goals? I wonder if a BB 50trim might be better for you.

 

[Zex4g63]

Essentially it is a BB 50 trim. It just has the sexy FP exhaust housing. You could max this turbo out on a healthy engine. If your engine blew on this turbo, it would blow on a 16G.

 

[dsmerjosh]

it'll make way more power at 22psi than a 16g will- some people don't want to run race fuel. Just because it can make more power at higher boost levels doesn't mean you have to run it that high.


for the original poster, with a healthy motor and good tuning you'll be fine. What are your hp goals? I wonder if a BB 50trim might be better for you.

Well. I have three 1g dsm cars right now. The car that is being built came with a new evo 16g. I have high hp goals but reliable street use. Money is no object I just take my time buying things. The fp3052 seems to be incredible. I've seen videos on stock motor cars making 350 to a little over four on stock motor. It spools great and hits hard from what i've seen and heard. I plan on the stroker. I've seen awesome videos and great numbers. It is a great high hp motor but my hp goal is 550 to 580 with stroker or 2.0 wichever. Maperformance has an incredible 1g dsm link car. They also recommended the bb 50trim but I don't want to spend the 700 plus for that turbo then 1400 for the fp3052 turbo. It's a waste of my money. I appreciate your input. You make great points about the turbos.

 

[dsmerjosh]

Essentially it is a BB 50 trim. It just has the sexy FP exhaust housing. You could max this turbo out on a healthy engine. If your engine blew on this turbo, it would blow on a 16G.

I figured I would need the 780's to handle the needs for fuel for a fp3052. I have 650 also but i didn't think that would cut it.

 

[kahl23]

Essentially it is a BB 50 trim. It just has the sexy FP exhaust housing. You could max this turbo out on a healthy engine. If your engine blew on this turbo, it would blow on a 16G.

Not quite. The 3150, which there was just a GB on, is exactly that, a bb 50 trim withe the FP housing. The 3052 is actually a Garrett GT3076R with the FP housing, totally different turbo. The 50 trim, IIRC, flows arond 49 lb/min, whereas the 3052/3076 flows 52 lb/min. The 50 trim would also be a good choice, as there are some who think its a better street/pump turbo, and can be found for less $$.

 

[Zex4g63]

Not quite. The 3150, which there was just a GB on, is exactly that, a bb 50 trim withe the FP housing. The 3052 is actually a Garrett GT3076R with the FP housing, totally different turbo. The 50 trim, IIRC, flows arond 49 lb/min, whereas the 3052/3076 flows 52 lb/min. The 50 trim would also be a good choice, as there are some who think its a better street/pump turbo, and can be found for less $$.

Hence why I said "essentially" not it is. 49 lbs, 52 lbs, pretty close to the same output. He might as well spend the few extra dollars and get GT technology was my point and he understood. Didn't think I needed to break it down for him.

 

[kahl23]

Ahh ok Well it's there for future searches now anyway.

 

[snox135]

I think he only wants to run 22psi for right now, until he builds his motor. Thats a good turbo, lots of potential, ball bearing so smooth operation for thousands of passes. Like someone else said, its hard to tune big injectors. 780's will work, but just watch those duty cycles. You run lean only once, and it could be bye-bye. If and when you go with that turbo, get some 272 or 280 cams and let it breath. Also, a stroker wont be as good for that turbo since that turbo is better for higher rpm, and strokers arent as reliable in the upper rpm range, such as 8000-9000 range. There are some great threads about that. Something to think about.

James

A stroker does not need to rev to 8000k to max out this turbo. They have more displacement, so they move more air per a stroke.

 

[gsxtasy]

Hence why I said "essentially" not it is. 49 lbs, 52 lbs, pretty close to the same output. He might as well spend the few extra dollars and get GT technology was my point and he understood. Didn't think I needed to break it down for him.

It's not really "essentially" a 50 trim either. It's a different turbo, period. Different compressor housings, different centers... However, thats not the point here. They both are great turbo's and i think both are under rated as there have been numerous people push more air then they are supposed to MAX out at. Either way, you'll be happy. Although it is possible to run this turbo on stock internals, it probably isn't ideal, that is if you want to push it to its limits. It may work for awhile, but i wouldn't rely on it for a extended period of time.

FWIW, i run a 3052 and it's an amazing piece. From fit and finish to capabilities, it is an all around package. FP knows what their doing. Good Luck!

-Aaron

 

[DGajre777]

Ever heard of a member called super95AWD? He ran a 10.1 in the 1/4 with a FP3052 on a 2.3L and FP3s on slicks.

 

[kahl23]

Ever heard of a member called super95AWD? He ran a 10.1 in the 1/4 with a FP3052 on a 2.3L and FP3s on slicks.

Thats damn impressive, I can only hope my setup gets me halfway there this spring. I'm assuming race gas or e85 on that run?

 

[DGajre777]

Thats damn impressive, I can only hope my setup gets me halfway there this spring. I'm assuming race gas or e85 on that run?

Pump gas.

 

[kahl23]

Pump gas.

...yeah, um, holy ****. That is fairly amazing!

 

[DGajre777]

...yeah, um, holy ****. That is fairly amazing!

Indeed!

YouTube - TPG Tuning 10.11

 

[Evo8MRdude]

I am running 25psi on my FP3052 with other bolt ons. My stock 7 bolt 4G63 has 95000 miles but my tune is excellent. I a making 409whp/360lb-tq on 91oct plus methanol to all 4 wheel in a mustang dyno.

 

[blkturbo2nv]

It's not really "essentially" a 50 trim either. It's a different turbo, period. Different compressor housings, different centers... However, thats not the point here. They both are great turbo's and i think both are under rated as there have been numerous people push more air then they are supposed to MAX out at. Either way, you'll be happy. Although it is possible to run this turbo on stock internals, it probably isn't ideal, that is if you want to push it to its limits. It may work for awhile, but i wouldn't rely on it for a extended period of time.

FWIW, i run a 3052 and it's an amazing piece. From fit and finish to capabilities, it is an all around package. FP knows what their doing. Good Luck!

-Aaron

Not 2 get 2 far off subject but did you have any problems with your water pipe on that 3052 set up. I will be done with my project soon. I just droped the motor/trans/turbo back into the car. Its a 2.3l stroker/tre/fp3065 full kit and the water pipe needs some TLC/ modif. 2 fit. Car is a 2g/1g motor

 

[gsxtasy]

Not 2 get 2 far off subject but did you have any problems with your water pipe on that 3052 set up. I will be done with my project soon. I just droped the motor/trans/turbo back into the car. Its a 2.3l stroker/tre/fp3065 full kit and the water pipe needs some TLC/ modif. 2 fit. Car is a 2g/1g motor

Nope, no problem at all. Didn't have to dent it or anything, fits perfectly. Mine is also a 6bolt in a 2g, seems strange that your's would need to be, as they use the same compressor housing. What exhaust manifold are you using?

 

[blkturbo2nv]

Nope, no problem at all. Didn't have to dent it or anything, fits perfectly. Mine is also a 6bolt in a 2g, seems strange that your's would need to be, as they use the same compressor housing. What exhaust manifold are you using?

The FP manifold. I picked up a full 3065 kit (waist gate/man./turbo/oillines/air intk./exc.)
I think a guy named rob @ fp helped me out. Did you use a 1G or 2G water pipe? I think if I dent it in it will fit but I was told that you didnt have to.