First setup questions.......yeah yeah i know

[Dagda]

Ok, so basics. my setup: Shep. stage 3 tranny, ACT 2100, recirculated 1g bov, injen intake, 3 inch catback, boost and wideband, although the wideband doesnt seem to work anymore.

so. i have an evo III 16g sitting here, and i read that i could install it and everything, and keep the boost down 10 or so, so i dont hit fuel cut. i already have a walbro 255 rewired kit, that i havent put in yet, so here's the question:

can i put on the Evo III, turn the boost down to 10 or so, (i have an uninstalled Voodoo mbc), and leave it there as i gradually add on stuff?

my plan is, put the turbo and mbc on, then put the fuel pump and the SSAC intercooler on, i've boughten it. the idea is, i could arrange all my dormant supporting mods around my turbo like a chess game, and then when i have the money, i could throw in some 750s and Link, and then its a complete system? is this feasible?

and if so, according to my research, couldnt that be at least a 100hp jump? ### and EVO III at 10lbs on stock 450s is not going anywhere, maybe 240. and it would appear that my setup would have ample room to virtually max out the EVO, ie. 360 or so?

let me know what you guys think of my many questions, and forgive the redundancy, i just like being comfortable with well laid plans before i execute them.

Ciaran

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

Install teh fuel pump when you do the turbo if not before... It will help. Make sure your wideband is working too. You also might want to get a logger as you might be knocking with the new turbo. Just my .02 cents (or 6.75 canadian)...

 

[DGajre777]

First off, the moderators are going to be on your back because of the way you type. Work on that before you get a warning.

Second, you don't need a Stage 3 Tranny for an Evo III 16G turbo. Do you already have a Stage 3 tranny?

The 255 pump requires you to have an AFPR - do you have one?

Fuel cut is not a matter of running out of fuel, if you hit fuel cut, turn the boost down.

A turbo should not be your first mod, it should be one of your lasts. This is because you'll need additional parts to support it. Can you run your turbo at 10psi - sure, but why bother unless your stock turbo is dying?

If you want to run backwards and get a turbo before you get parts go ahead, the biggest problem you'll have trying to run that turbo at that low of a boost is boost creep. Get ready to do some porting. If you plan to run high boost, you may want to look at an external wastegate on that turbo instead of running an internal gate.

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

Yeap, as DGajre just said, you are doing everything backwards. Follow this: http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=2gtupgrades and all will be well young jedi.

 

[Dagda]

First off, the moderators are going to be on your back because of the way you type. Work on that before you get a warning.

Second, you don't need a Stage 3 Tranny for an Evo III 16G turbo. Do you already have a Stage 3 tranny?

The 255 pump requires you to have an AFPR - do you have one?

Fuel cut is not a matter of running out of fuel, if you hit fuel cut, turn the boost down.

A turbo should not be your first mod, it should be one of your lasts. This is because you'll need additional parts to support it. Can you run your turbo at 10psi - sure, but why bother unless your stock turbo is dying?

If you want to run backwards and get a turbo before you get parts go ahead, the biggest problem you'll have trying to run that turbo at that low of a boost is boost creep. Get ready to do some porting. If you plan to run high boost, you may want to look at an external wastegate on that turbo instead of running an internal gate.

uhhhh, whats wrong with the way that i type? what slang was i using?

first, I have a stage 3 tranny. why? because Shep lives 10 minutes from my house. because my old tranny had a failed intermediate shaft that spewed pieces of metal into the pinion and everything else in reach, and that 3 or my 5 gears were down to the nub, and that i had broken input shafts. forgive me for not asking permission to get a new transmission with upgrades. not being short, but you attacked my upgrades? why?

second, the turbo is here because i got an amazing deal on it, and i want to space out the installation, so that my car wont be out of commission for several days.

3rd, the EVO III is ported, and i dont have a turboback 3 inch exhaust, only catback.

fourth, no one even answered any of my other questions, instead opting to attack my mods?

also, i heard that putting on a SSAC while still running a T-25, was "stupid." that it would simply cause the turbo to lag, because the T-25 was so small it couldnt handle the airflow. that was on these forums!!!

i dont understand. i just wanted to know if it was possible without hurting the car, and that if a transition were to be made immediatley to Max out setup, could the 750s and Link take care of it, and if so, what kind of gain could potentially be reached?

 

[SVP97GST]

i'm curious about your typing too. maybe it's because you made like 10 different paragraphs or something. ? . I just want to know so i don't do it too.

 

[Calan]

I believe he was talking about proper sentence structure (caps, punctuation, etc.) .. he was giving you a heads up before a mod jumped you for it.

As for the response...

He wasn't attacking you, especially not for the Shep stage 3; he stated that you didn't need one yet, and then asked if you already had it. In fact, I haven't read anything that sounded like an attack at all. The advice is sound, and you are doing things in the reverse of what is typically recommended. But if you already have some stuff and are getting a deal on something that is too good to pass up, well go for it... I probably would too

As for the basic question... sure you can run 10psi. But as was stated, you're going to have creep issues because the Evo III likes more boost; and since you don't have the supporting mods, you are not going to be where you could be with a smaller turbo at higher boost and the proper supporting mods. Hence the recommended upgrade path.

 

[KazooGS-T]

Ok, so basics. my setup: Shep. stage 3 tranny, ACT 2100, recirculated 1g bov, injen intake, 3 inch catback, boost and wideband, although the wideband doesnt seem to work anymore.

so. i have an evo III 16g sitting here, and i read that i could install it and everything, and keep the boost down 10 or so, so i dont hit fuel cut. i already have a walbro 255 rewired kit, that i havent put in yet, so here's the question:

can i put on the Evo III, turn the boost down to 10 or so, (i have an uninstalled Voodoo mbc), and leave it there as i gradually add on stuff?

my plan is, put the turbo and mbc on, then put the fuel pump and the SSAC intercooler on, i've boughten it. the idea is, i could arrange all my dormant supporting mods around my turbo like a chess game, and then when i have the money, i could throw in some 750s and Link, and then its a complete system? is this feasible?

and if so, according to my research, couldnt that be at least a 100hp jump? ### and EVO III at 10lbs on stock 450s is not going anywhere, maybe 240. and it would appear that my setup would have ample room to virtually max out the EVO, ie. 360 or so?

let me know what you guys think of my many questions, and forgive the redundancy, i just like being comfortable with well laid plans before i execute them.

Ciaran

Ok, don't worry about what other guys are saying. For all we know, you already have all of the free mods and have everything you want/need in the process. The evoIII 16g is a good turbo, speaking it has been ported and Yes, there are many people that run a 16g on their stock setup. I would check the exhaust manifold for cracks, and if you deem everything nice and clean, go ahead and put on your 16g. Quite simple, if you happen to get fuel cut, let off the gas. And speaking you have a WBO2, you will be able to monitor ARF's constantly; if it really is broken, I strongly suggest investing in a new/working one. You can go ahead and put your turbo AND intercooler on and have made your piping. The thing about the 255lph fuel pump over the 190lph fuel pump however is, that you need an AFPR or equivalent, to compensate for the fuel displacement. *You can play with your car like it is a chess game, although highly unrecommended, you certainly can. You can upgrade the turbo now and everything else later, although the normally traveled route is the reverse, for apparent reasons.* Just remember and not get boost happy with a car that is not yet built for that purpose.

 

[Calan]

You can play with your car like it is a chess game, although highly unrecommended, you certainly can. You can upgrade the turbo now and everything else later, although the normally traveled route is the reverse, for apparent reasons.* Just remember and not get boost happy with a car that is not yet built for that purpose.

That's exactly what we have been saying. And Kazoo made some other good points also.

Don't take things so personally. Read the content of the post, not the attitude

Good luck!

 

[DGajre777]

uhhhh, whats wrong with the way that i type? what slang was i using?

Sentences start with a capital letter.

first, I have a stage 3 tranny. why? because Shep lives 10 minutes from my house. because my old tranny had a failed intermediate shaft that spewed pieces of metal into the pinion and everything else in reach, and that 3 or my 5 gears were down to the nub, and that i had broken input shafts. forgive me for not asking permission to get a new transmission with upgrades. not being short, but you attacked my upgrades? why?

I didn't attack your upgrades but was wondering if you bought a stage 3 tranny just because someone said you needed one. You would have been fine with a used or rebuilt tranny and taken the money for a shep tranny and put it towards other mods. It your money and your car, mod it anyway you want to.

3rd, the EVO III is ported, and i dont have a turboback 3 inch exhaust, only catback.

To prevent boost creep, you need to port out the o2 housing and the turbo. Check the tech guide. The last thing you want to do it put the turbo on, have boost creep and then have to take it out to port it out some more, because that will cause you more down time.

fourth, no one even answered any of my other questions, instead opting to attack my mods?

I did answer you question - read my post where I said that if you want to do things backwards, you'll be fine but you may get boost creep.

also, i heard that putting on a SSAC while still running a T-25, was "stupid." that it would simply cause the turbo to lag, because the T-25 was so small it couldnt handle the airflow. that was on these forums!!!

Nothing stupid about putting a SSAC on a T25. It causes a little lag (as you said) because it takes time to fill up the FMIC - how does that make it stupid? An FMIC is not a power adder, it doesn't increase flow to the T25.

i dont understand. i just wanted to know if it was possible without hurting the car, and that if a transition were to be made immediatley to Max out setup, could the 750s and Link take care of it, and if so, what kind of gain could potentially be reached?

Yes, a transition can be made. Like I said the biggest problem with running that turbo without fuel mods will be boost creep. If you do all your port work, you'll be fine.

Finally, I didn't mean to attack your mods, I was trying to help, no disrespect intended, I don't operate like that.

 

[MelloEclipse]

, this thread is funny.

Anyway, I have a Evo3 16g with a MBC, intake, 1g Bov, and stock fuel everything and I was running 14 psi with no problem (I say was because now i can't control my boost and it shoots up to 23psi, but that's for another thread coming up....MBC i supsect.)

 

[Dagda]

ok thanks guys, that helps out alot. so the evo III even ported, will still creep without a ported 02 housing, is that right? would a 02 eliminating downpipe be fine then? and could i still operate a WB02 on an 02 eliminated downpipe? id just have to tap or something, right? and how long does it take for you to tune a good curve on link, for the first time? is the tune really far off what the injector chip that they give you for your correct injector size, is?

also, if creep is such an issue, would i be better off getting some headers with a tial flange on it and get a 38mm or something?

thanks again guys, you helped alot.

 

[oldman]

ok thanks guys, that helps out alot. so the evo III even ported, will still creep without a ported 02 housing, is that right?

The focus is still on the turbine housing, a typical vendor port job usually does not address boost creep. The author of this tech article for example, started with a SBR ported EVO3/34mm flapper upgrade. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186525

You have been asked nicely to use your shift key where it applies, please comply.

 

[DGajre777]

ok thanks guys, that helps out alot. so the evo III even ported, will still creep without a ported 02 housing, is that right? would a 02 eliminating downpipe be fine then? and could i still operate a WB02 on an 02 eliminated downpipe? id just have to tap or something, right? and how long does it take for you to tune a good curve on link, for the first time? is the tune really far off what the injector chip that they give you for your correct injector size, is?

also, if creep is such an issue, would i be better off getting some headers with a tial flange on it and get a 38mm or something?

thanks again guys, you helped alot.

The Evo III 16G turbo and a ported o2 housing (if the porting is done right, will allow you to run low boost). The link that oldman posted will help you if you decide to do the porting yourself. You could try going to an external gate, but if it is on the o2 housing you'll still need to do some porting on the turbine housing. If you want to go external on the o2 housing, look at www.punishment-racing.com. The only way you can get away without porting and running low boost is if you run an external gate on the exhaust manifold.

An o2 eliminating downpipe is tubular, the increase in flow will increase your chances of creep. FYI - People with 3" downpipes and no cat who get creep more than people with a 2.5" downpipe and a cat with an unported turbine/o2 housing.

Yes, you can use a WB02 on a o2 eliminated downpipe or any other downpipe. If you don't run a cat, put the wideband sensor in the second o2 sensor hole. If you have a cat, have a o2 bung welded before the cat.

The injector size that DSMLink is chipped for (without a memory board which is not available for 2Gs) will be the primary injector setting incase your battery dies. If you upgrade injectors, you can either send the chip to them to get it programmed with new injectors settings as base or adjust it yourself on the program. I know of many people who have ran their cars for days after just increasing the injector size and not doing any tuning, so I think you'll be fine. Download DSMLink and run it on your computer to get to know the program before you buy it. The manual has a lot of information on it. www.dsmlink.com

 

[Dagda]

wow that helps out alot, and answers all of my questions! i especially didnt think of using my catback 02 for the wideband. genius.

thanks again, and i'll try to type more accordingly.

C

 

[DGajre777]

You are welcome. Good luck with your setup.