car not starting but turning over

[coolwata34]

hey guys i got everything pluged in full of fluids sparkplug wires routed right, but the car only wines out, like attempts to start but doesnt catch. im getting spark to the spark plugs and i put starter fluid in the throttle body and well that ended in flames and me blowing it out soo i know theres spark but it just wont start up any help would be greatly appreciated thanks guys

 

[TwoLiterLaser]

What have you recently done to the car? Or did it just decide not to start? More information would be better.

 

[coolwata34]

right now on the car is just a gripforce clutch with "n1" cat back exhaust with high flow cat, i got all new belts on her with all new gaskets... we are getting combustion and crank just no start. I spoke with my grandfather(master mechanic) and what we decribed to him , he said it sounds like the timeing is off and im firing a 180, soo i dont know. we lined up all the marks when we put the motor in the 2 timing marks on the cams and the one on the other pulley, i cant think of anything else it is and now we are at a stand still with this whole project anything would be greatly appreciated

 

[Afroclipse]

have you checked to see if your getting fuel. There is a no start help guide just forgot the link i had similar problem, i just dumped gas into the intake pipe ran to the car quick because gas was pouring out of smic then tried to started it stalled for a second and then vroom. Everything you did i did, don't forget to see if your MFI and fuel pump relay are functional.

 

[coolwata34]

soo today my dad took everything apart and re lined up all the marks, and the car still doesnt start. is there a anything else u have to do when u set the timing besides set the marks right?

 

[GVR4592]

If the marks weren't lined up and you cranked it over, you might've bent some valves. I would do a compression test just to be safe.

An engine needs compression, fuel, and spark. You're not getting one of the three, figure out which one it is and go from there.

 

[Quasimondo]

Is it possible that when you changed the belts that the timing plate at the crankshaft was installed backwards? I had a similar no-start problem: Had air, had spark, had fuel, had compression, but wouldn't run, even with a healthy shot of starting fluid. Turned out to be the timing plate was installed backwards. Suprisingly enough, even though the timing was way off, I never bent a valve.

To check, stick a long screwdriver down the #1 cylinder and spin the crank by hand until the screwdriver itself is at TDC, then check the timing marks on the cams. If it doesn't line up, then you've found the problem.

 

[coolwata34]

my dad told me when he was turning the car over last night, the crank is spinning rather fast.... could that be a balance shaft belt not on or something in that area?

 

[Quasimondo]

The crank is going to spin twice as fast as the camshafts. Why wouldn't the balance shaft belt be in unless you pulled the shafts?

 

[dareisstupid]

Check that stupid little sensor on the temp. housing. That will make it not start i guess.

 

[coolwata34]

ok soo we ran a compression test.. no compression... can some one give me some possiblitys why that is ?
thanks

 

[freshlane]

that doesn't make any sense. It was 'O' (zero) across all cylinders? describe your compression testing procedure.

 

[coolwata34]

ok sooo last night my dad check to see if it was getting fuel. its getting fuel.. getting spark. but said the compression is no good... soo im thinking it might be the timing plate on the crankshaft. cause if it was put on backwards(which i didnt know a 7 bolt one could be) then that would be why the timing is is all off and not firing and the compression is bad right?

soo we didnt run a actually compressoin test just a backyard mechanic way of doing it. he said it was very faint, and also that crankshaft/timing plate was never touched or taken off soo thats not why it wont start up, any other possiblitys?

 

[Quasimondo]

How'd you change the balance shaft belt without removing that plate, or was that belt never touched at all?

Run the compression test. Physically check to make sure the #1 piston is at TDC and the cams line up, markings at 3 and 9 o' clock with the dowels on the cams at high noon. Troubleshooting based on assumptions will only make things harder. Going off of assumptions is why it took me two weeks to track down a no-start problem that could've been taken care of in a matter of hours.

 

[coolwata34]

tonite my dad said he retarded the cam that is closest to the throttle body by a tooth or 2 and he said it almost started up , closest weve had it to starting up

he also put about a oz of oil down the cylinders and said when he was manually cranking it you could hear the oil and pistons moving and pushing the oil up and down the cylinders

 

[coolwata34]

today im going to RI to go work on my car and hopefully get it running, i bought a compression tester from autozone today, and im going to rent the obd2 scan tool from a az near my house in RI soo hopefully i can figure out what is wrong if its a sensor or something, and ill post the compression test results later, im doing the test the way this site shows....http://www.geocities.com/dsmgrrrl/FAQs/compression.htm

wish me luck
thanks guys

 

[coolwata34]

ok did a compression check and the needle isnt moving at all and its a good tester too its snap on any guesss

 

[freshlane]

Please DESCRIBE how you are doing the test. You may be going through more work than you need to if you are not performing the test correctly.

 

[coolwata34]

i unpluged the engine 20 amp fuse in the fuse box under the hood then the triangle plug that is connecting the pak, un did all the plugs and put the hose in cylinder number 1 nothing then 234 and nothing, then i put all the plugs but 1 in and still no compression in the cylinders

 

[freshlane]

Engine 20amp fuse? I don't understand that part.

Disable ignition and take out one plug/wire

 

[Jonny]

Hey man ill give you my email its [email protected] send me a email when i get it ill give you my cell number you can call me and ill help you out

 

[coolwata34]

thanks for the help, but my phone lines are down right now cause of the rain storm we got im me on aim, coolwata34

 

[Jonny]

what belts did you chang

 

[coolwata34]

changed the timing and the altenator belts

 

[Cs4g63]

i unpluged the engine 20 amp fuse in the fuse box under the hood then the triangle plug that is connecting the pak, un did all the plugs and put the hose in cylinder number 1 nothing then 234 and nothing, then i put all the plugs but 1 in and still no compression in the cylinders

I know this is a stupid question but I have seen it done before. Did you just put the hose in the hole or did you actually thread the compression tester in? No matter how bad things are you should have some sort of reading on the gauge.