600 for a complete 420a?

[josh1095]

just wonderin what you guys think about 600 for a 98 420a with 80k miles. comes with everything. plug n play. ive looked around and think its a pretty good deal.

1 more thing. will the 96 ecu work with a 98 engine?

 

[whitemike89pl]

600$ for a 98 eclipse gs with 80k miles? Something smells here... There is no way the car don't have any problems. You may not know about it, yet... Probably vehicle has some hidden damage.

 

[josh1095]

no just the complete engine. im putting it in my 96.
ya an entire car for 600?? now that would be a good deal.

 

[rstare]

You'll need a '98 ECU.
Is that $600 for for the block and the head? Or, are there other components included, such as manifolds, fuel rail, ect.
I can get a 420a engine from a junkyard for $250, around here.

 

[whitemike89pl]

no just the complete engine. im putting it in my 96.
ya an entire car for 600?? now that would be a good deal.

Oh .. I thought you mean the whole car.

 

[dsmmikej]

thats not a bad deal at all. i got one for $700, so $600 is good for a good running engine. My engine is in great condition and came with a warranty

 

[josh1095]

ya its got all accessories. manifolds vaccuum lines sensors. head and block of course. even the alternator and ac. says its a plug and play type deal. ive heard that before hahaha. so now i have to buy a 98 ecu to make it work?? i had no idea. thats another 200. i might bail on this and sell the car. go with a 2g turbo next yr. that ecu is a deal breaker for me.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

ya its got all accessories. manifolds vaccuum lines sensors. head and block of course. even the alternator and ac. says its a plug and play type deal. ive heard that before hahaha. so now i have to buy a 98 ecu to make it work?? i had no idea. thats another 200. i might bail on this and sell the car. go with a 2g turbo next yr. that ecu is a deal breaker for me.

I'm sure you can find a '98 ECU for $50-$75 if you look in the right places online.

 

[talonesi95t]

i picked up a 95 rs parts car for 900.....any how i got the ecu for it ...if it works for your year....

 

[josh1095]

well hes gettin back to me later. if he doesnt include the harness and ecu im ditchin this project. im only 175 bucks into it so far(price of the car ). cars actually in good shape, even has a working 5 speed. these projects can be a slippery slope, get into it and after nickel and dime shit you end up puttin 2k into a car that books for 1500.
i appreciate the input. this forum is a god send for dsmers. tons of info.

 

[420a_turbo]

well hes gettin back to me later. if he doesnt include the harness and ecu im ditchin this project. im only 175 bucks into it so far(price of the car ). cars actually in good shape, even has a working 5 speed. these projects can be a slippery slope, get into it and after nickel and dime shit you end up puttin 2k into a car that books for 1500.
i appreciate the input. this forum is a god send for dsmers. tons of info.

I would do 1 of 2 things:

1. Pull the original motor(The one you want to replace) and rebuild it for a lot less then $600

2. Buy a damaged 420a for no more then 300 shipped, and rebuild that.

 

[talonesi95t]

well hes gettin back to me later. if he doesnt include the harness and ecu im ditchin this project. im only 175 bucks into it so far(price of the car ). cars actually in good shape, even has a working 5 speed. these projects can be a slippery slope, get into it and after nickel and dime shit you end up puttin 2k into a car that books for 1500.
i appreciate the input. this forum is a god send for dsmers. tons of info.

you wont need the harness, yours is the same

 

[josh1095]

talked to the dude again. hes gonna throw in the 98 ecu and harness(just in case).
btw, this car came without an engine, just tranny. anythiung else i should be aware of? ive been goin thru the chilton over and over and i obviously missed the ecu thing.

 

[RoninEclipse2G]

Don't worry about the ECU and harness! You don't need them.

If you're just dropping a complete 98 longblock into your 96 you just need to swap a few sensors over. You'll need the cam, crank sensor and the coil from your 96 for sure and maybe a few others. Otherwise everything else is the same.

Edit: I just saw your post about the 96 lacking an engine. Does it have the harness and ECU? Just make sure that all the plugs are the same as the sensors on the engine. If the plugs don't match you'll need to get the corresponding sensors for those plugs. I can't remember off the top of my head if the 96 used the later style plugs and sensors or not. I know my 95 HAS to use the earlier style sensors.

 

[phunny]

Don't worry about the ECU and harness! You don't need them.

If you're just dropping a complete 98 longblock into your 96 you just need to swap a few sensors over. You'll need the cam, crank sensor and the coil from your 96 for sure and maybe a few others. Otherwise everything else is the same.

Edit: I just saw your post about the 96 lacking an engine. Does it have the harness and ECU? Just make sure that all the plugs are the same as the sensors on the engine. If the plugs don't match you'll need to get the corresponding sensors for those plugs. I can't remember off the top of my head if the 96 used the later style plugs and sensors or not. I know my 95 HAS to use the earlier style sensors.

When my 99RS hydrolocked the insurance company put a 96 engine in it. It never did run right, so they eventually had to pull that engine and put a 99 back in it. The older motors had some sensors that were changed.

 

[cs82685]

I've bought two 2gnt cars for <$600 combined both with running motors and good transmissions. The first one had been hit in the passenger side and had 180k miles on the clock but the guy I bought it from drove it that way for a year and drove it to me (got it for $250) The second was rusted to shit and would have been dangerous to drive on the streets in its condition as well as needed a clutch (got for $300) You can find a much better deal out there IMO.

 

[Trav83]

That's not too bad. A little off subject but I was just on eBay and a rebuilt 420a engine will cost you almost as much as a rebuilt 4g63turbo engine WTF

 

[RoninEclipse2G]

When my 99RS hydrolocked the insurance company put a 96 engine in it. It never did run right, so they eventually had to pull that engine and put a 99 back in it. The older motors had some sensors that were changed.

They probably tried to run the sensors from the 96 on the 99, the blocks themselves are physically identical but sensors changed from year to year. My 95 has been running a 97 engine for 3 years. But I had to swap my sensors over to get it to run, the 97 cam sensor and coil wouldn't even plug into the 95 harness.

 

[josh1095]

update: got the old harness out and put in the new 98 harness. came out of an a/t so its got extra connectors here and there. i have some doubts about this swap. the chilton manual is ####ed up. the wiring colors are wrong for the 98 harness. noticed that the 96 o2 connector is different and there is no help in the chilton. seems like the manual does have the pinouts correct tho. im still using the 96 fuse box and other shit like fan motor connectors. they seem to be plugged into another harness that plugs into the new one. so im hopin like all hell this works out. Just read on this forum somewhere where they were sayin just use the 96 ecu/harness and hook it straight up to the engine??? that conflicts with the info im gettin here.

 

[rush2252]

Im too late to tell you to go buy a sohc Neon motor 95-99 and just use the block. Youll have to relocate the knock sensor everything else works. Just use the mitsu head. And as for the connectors just use our original sensors. I believe the o2 sensor, coil pack, Crank sensor, CAM sensor and speed sensor all have different plugs from 95-6 vs. 97-99... You would be better off just removing your old sensors or getting them from a 95-96 neon as opposed to switching pinouts and rewiring the entire car... or am I missing something here? WTF

 

[josh1095]

ya, thing is i dont have the original 96 engine. didnt come with it. so im using 98 harness/and ecu to 98 engine. the 98 was an a/t so like i said there are extra connectors. has anyone done this? i kept the 96 ecu and harness just in case. then i guess ill have to buy new 96 style sensors and plug them into the block. what a headache!!

 

[rush2252]

Oh dear. Your making it harder than it is. IMO unless your eating top Ramen and have ALOT of spare time on your hands go pay for the sensors or rob them at salvage. It would be less time/headache than replacing the entire harness. Especially if your going from auto to manual in the process.

 

[josh1095]

im goin to the junk yard this weekend. ill prob grab some sensors if theyre cheap just in case. got the harness all in tho. wired up the o2 sensor too. if it doesnt work then ill have somethin to fall back on. it should tho the more i read on it. got the turbo,manifold,fuel pump,fmu, boost controller all on the way. so i should find out if it works in the next month.

think i could find an old intercooler at a junk yard? plannin on gettin it there. just got a brand new zx10r(insanely fast btw) so im not lookin to dump more than 2k into it. atleast not all at once.

 

[rush2252]

wait, your going to put this thing together turbo it and hope it runs all at once? If so I would think about getting it running N/T first work out your kinks drive it for a few months then turbo it. Thats just my .02 though.

 

[josh1095]

thats the plan. i only wanna pull the motor once. thats when i upgrade the rods and pistons and do all the bearings. i have thought about it if it doesnt work. gonna suck bad dude but if it doesnt go ill swap out the sensors and throw the old harness/ecu back in. the engine only has 80k on it so its relatively young for dsm standards.