Tein Suspension

[97GSTred]

I was looking to buy the tein basic dampers. Does anyone these dampers, are they nice?

 

[DSMRevolution]

Tein makes VERY nice products. You wont be disappointed. ArcticTSI has those for his 1g I believe. Looks clean and performs great. Tein is Top of the line next to Eibach in my opinion.

 

[Groomz]

http://www.circuitmethod.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=TEIN-BASIC

Good price on them.

 

[awdsm drft]

Coilovers are the best suspension solution. Get the super street dampers, they've got adjustable ride height and more importantly 16 way adjustable damper!

There's a reason silvia guys choose tein.

 

[R Squared]

Or quit playing around and get the Flex with EDFC.
Upper pillow ball mount and 32 way adjustable damping force. You WON"T be disappointed

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by R Squared
Or quit playing around and get the Flex with EDFC.
Upper pillow ball mount and 32 way adjustable damping force. You WON"T be disappointed

That is, if you're looking for a gimmick-laiden, entry level suspension product.

 

[R Squared]

cait-Thanks for the insightful post as I'm sure you've actually installled and autocrossed with them. Maybe next time recommend the JIC's with some factual information instead of just adding your worthless comment....

 

[igs]

JIC sucks

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59226&highlight=jic+sucks

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by R Squared
cait-Thanks for the insightful post as I'm sure you've actually installled and autocrossed with them. Maybe next time recommend the JIC's with some factual information instead of just adding your worthless comment....

Twin tubed shocks that cost 1000 bucks are for entry level toys. Have you even looked at Teins other offerings for other cars? FLEX is at the bottom of the food chain (although it's better than the SS's).

EDFC is a gimmick.

Deal with it.

 

[jtmcinder]

While I'll agree that EDFC is 99% gimmick, the rest of your argument just doesn't work.

Konis + GC + pillowballs would be at least the same amount of money as Tein Flex (if you can even find pillowballs for the former). Well, guess what ... these are both low-pressure twin-tube setups.

Yes, of course, a monotube with remote is better than a twin-tube, but the cheapest monotube with remote is a heck of lot more money than either a complete Koni/GC or Tein Flex setup.

- Jtoby

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by jtmcinder
While I'll agree that EDFC is 99% gimmick, the rest of your argument just doesn't work.

Konis + GC + pillowballs would be at least the same amount of money as Tein Flex (if you can even find pillowballs for the former). Well, guess what ... these are both low-pressure twin-tube setups.

Yes, of course, a monotube with remote is better than a twin-tube, but the cheapest monotube with remote is a heck of lot more money than either a complete Koni/GC or Tein Flex setup.

- Jtoby

My point is there's no reason to buy Tein FLEX's when Koni's are more easily serviced and have a much better track record. JIC's, despite their abysmal service shown, are the lowest priced monotube dampers that have a more "rugged" build than the equivelant DSM Tein stuff. Ah, if only they would release higher grade goods...

I'm interested in the experience people have had with ZEAL systems (http://www.endlessusa.com/estore/suspension_product.php?page=s6), on DSM's at least. Japanese drivers seem to like them, or the ones I've been in contact with. There's little interest from Apexi on bringing anything higher level to DSM's other than entry level street stuff, which is quite a shame, because their N1 systems have an excellent reputation. Forget about Cusco.

 

[R Squared]

CAIT-It sounds like you want no holds bard the best suspension possible. I don't think there is a single company manufacturing this, including TEIN or JIC. Why don't you get some Penske shocks with some Hypercoil springs. That way you pick your own spring rates and have some of the "best" shocks made. Call RRE and talk with them about valving, you now have the "best" setup possible. Koni's are ok, I've used them before on my Acura, but if you want them fixed/repaired/etc. you still have to send them back to Koni, just as I would have to do with TEIN if I ever had a problem. I chose TEIN simply because my first hand experience with JIC was miserable. They were the only 2 coilover "systems" I considered. Maybe you should look into seperates...

 

[Groomz]

Originally posted by R Squared
CAIT-It sounds like you want no holds bard the best suspension possible. I don't think there is a single company manufacturing this, including TEIN or JIC. Why don't you get some Penske shocks with some Hypercoil springs. That way you pick your own spring rates and have some of the "best" shocks made. Call RRE and talk with them about valving, you now have the "best" setup possible. Koni's are ok, I've used them before on my Acura, but if you want them fixed/repaired/etc. you still have to send them back to Koni, just as I would have to do with TEIN if I ever had a problem. I chose TEIN simply because my first hand experience with JIC was miserable. They were the only 2 coilover "systems" I considered. Maybe you should look into seperates...

If you don't respond to him, he might just go away.

 

[cOiL]

I agree with cait sith.. when compared to the entire suspension spectrum available, tein certainly is on the lower end. Koni is even lower. I have Neuspeed modified koni's with h&r race springs (different car) and it's a damn good match, but regular off the shelf koni yellows are nothing super special, but better than kyb agx's and tokico blues.

Tein's a great product, for what it is.. an entry level coilover system. It doesn't quite compare with uperlevel products like DMS. Thing with a true coilover system is the shocks are valved for the springs on it right from the producer. Standalone shocks aren't, and if you don't match the springs and shocks, performance will suffer..

Tein is your best option if you don't to spend two, three or even more times as much on a setup.

The Koni & Ground Controll option is only popular because it's cheap. You won't find many front runners using that setup, and those who do, have invested some serious money in tuning the shocks to perform exactly how they want. Same with Tein. The JGTC series doesn't just slap off the shelf teins on their cars, either.

 

[ACM]

It all depends on whet you're aiming for. Teins should be fine for a "fit-and-forget" package, but as far as I know, there's no revalving expertise out there for them. JICs similarly, but RRE supposedly will build them to suit, and can rebuild/revalve them. Parts and expertise are the big question marks here.

Going the Koni route gives you a damper with a huge base of experience and expertise in the USA, half a dozen shops that can revalve them any which way you ask. However, they arrive with damping rates which suck for anything but stock-ish springs, too much LSC and not enough rebound - they have to be revalved before they're useful. The rears are particularly bad.

AGXs and Illuminas aren't worth talking about in this context, they're bargain-basement OEM replacements.

I have an Ohlins shop that can build any spec Ohlins for a 2G if you're prepared to wait long enough - $2-4k depending on spec. I run Shocktek Bilsteins on my street 98 which I rebuild myself, but the seals don't last too long (a minor irritation). I have Ankeny Racing Penskes on my 95 - beautiful but fragile. These last 3 are probably as good as 2G suspension gets, but you pay for it in high maintenance and very limited service options if you choose not to do that yourself.

Charles

 

[jtmcinder]

Cait -

If there were an OTS upper front pillowball for Konis for a 2G, then I'd agree with you. But there isn't. And this is a very big deal. As soon as you take the spring rates up into the 500# range (which the Konis can handle), you have the problem of nasty side-forces on the shock's shaft due to the fact that the spring does not contact the OEM upper plate at a right angle. This will kill the shock (as well as hurt handling). So the fact that Tein Flexes come with a coaxial upper spring seat is a very big plus.

With that said, I'll agree that if I had my choice between low-pressure twin-tubes, I'd take the Koni over the Tein. My point is that the shock must work with the springs and the springs must mount cleanly to the chassis.

- Jtoby

 

[SlammedSliver99]

I just got the Tein Basic kit yesterday and they look incredible only prob is i cant put them on into the car is finished at the body shop but i really can't wait to put them on and see how much better the ride will be here is a pic of them

 

[Toshiro]

When are you getting your car back from the bodyshop? Can't wait to hear some firsthand reviews.

Great thread, BTW.

 

[igs]

Nice suspension man. Don't listen to these haters. They're just jealous that they themselves don't even have a set of "low end" coilovers. .

 

[98gsxturbo]

Originally posted by R Squared
Or quit playing around and get the Flex with EDFC.
Upper pillow ball mount and 32 way adjustable damping force. You WON"T be disappointed

I have my TEIN flex kit on the way as we speak, IMO EDFC is a waste of money. Also with the 2g's the front isnt compatible because of clearence issues with the hood and the top of the strut tower.... So you can only use the edfc with the rear.....

Like i said....

Waste of money. :thumbdown

 

[sjwelna]

Originally posted by 98gsxturbo
I have my TEIN flex kit on the way as we speak, IMO EDFC is a waste of money. Also with the 2g's the front isnt compatible because of clearence issues with the hood and the top of the strut tower.... So you can only use the edfc with the rear.....

Like i said....

Waste of money. :thumbdown

If you had read anything about the FLEX coilovers and the EDFC, you'd quickly realize that it fits just fine in both the front and the rear. A couple people on this board are doing so without problems. Possibly you were reading the column for the SS dampers on their site?

 

[R Squared]

98GSXTURBO-Is that some personnel experience talking? That's the worse thing about these forums, everything people read they take for truth.
I would like to thank some of the suspension guru's for chiming in to try an help people understand that just because they have coilovers, doesn't mean that they have the best handling setup. It's hard to find GOOD suspension threads concerning 2G's.

 

[96'GSspyder]

If you went for DMS, would you go for the GOLD 40MM Adj Perforamance shock absorber?