Welcome to DSMtuners - The Talon, Laser, and Eclipse performance enthusiast resource



















Login



See All DSMtuners Supporting Vendors
Go Back   DSMtuners > DSM Forums > DSM Tech > Cylinder Head & Short Block
Welcome to DSMtuners
You are currently browsing the site as a "Guest", which means your are either not registered or not logged in. This also means you have limited access to our site and cannot participate - you also are browsing the site with more advertisements than logged-in members.

Register an account and start participating!

Cylinder Head & Short Block: 4G63 cams, valvetrain, pistons, rods, stroker kits, 6-bolt swaps, hybrids, etc. Read this Forum's Strict Guidelines.

Reply
 
    
LinkBack   Thread Tools
Old 11-17-2004, 07:58 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #1 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

v8s_are_slow's Avatar
From: Panama City, Florida
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 1,872
Photos: 18
Classifieds Rating: 6
Reputation: v8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthyv8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to v8s_are_slow Send a message via MSN to v8s_are_slow Send a message via Yahoo to v8s_are_slow
1G-specific

Forced Performance Cams


i've searched but not finding anything over here. and there was a thread on it on dsmtalk. but oh well. can't get to that. anyway, my next mod is probably gonna be cams. looking at the FPcam2's. i think i heard that they give better topend than the hks 272's. and that they also are able to go in pretty straight like the 272's without necessarily needing cam gears.

anyone have any feedback on these things? also, is it possible to know any kinda horsepower gains from slapping these in? at what point would i need aftermarket springs in there as well? is it if i'm revving over a certain rpm? or over a certain lift? would like to maybe go ahead and throw the cams in now and springs later if it's possible to get by without them for now. planning on having the head ported out pretty good later on but would like to run the cams as is for now. and of course, choosing cams over a sheetmetal intake would be the better choice for now, right? thanks for any info.

scott


View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 08:02 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #2 (permalink)
anconover
Guest
 
anconover's Avatar
Tech Posts: n/a
The FP cams seem to becoming slowly popular. Im not sure the lift on these, but most comp cams (fp has comp make them to theyre spec) require springs/retainers because they have a very high lift. At least comp highly recommends them. Usually your pretty safe unless revving past redline, but not with a higher lift cam. The cams over intake manifold is a smart decision.

Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 08:13 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #3 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

NewB2dsm's Avatar
From: St. Louis, Missouri
Registered: Jun 2002
Tech Posts: 705
Photos: 8
Classifieds Rating: 0
Reputation: NewB2dsm is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to NewB2dsm
I have a set of comp 100's and these are close to the FP ones and I LOVE THEM. gained ~15awhp on pump gas and ~35awhp on race gas over stock cams.
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 08:17 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #4 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

v8s_are_slow's Avatar
From: Panama City, Florida
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 1,872
Photos: 18
Classifieds Rating: 6
Reputation: v8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthyv8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to v8s_are_slow Send a message via MSN to v8s_are_slow Send a message via Yahoo to v8s_are_slow
are the 100's like the FPcam1's? or 2's? just wondering how much i'd notice the increase in power. i have a sbr GT-13 turbo, etc. so makes me wonder.....
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 08:47 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #5 (permalink)
anconover
Guest
 
anconover's Avatar
Tech Posts: n/a
im not sure how closely they really are related, i thought someone got the specs, may have been on dsmtalk tho. Youll def see a well worth it gain from cams with your setup. 1 way to find out, dyno now, get some, dyno again =p

Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 08:50 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #6 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

Stapl3's Avatar
From: MI, Michigan
Registered: Oct 2004
Tech Posts: 1,077
Classified Ads: 1
Classifieds Rating: 46
Reputation: Stapl3 is pretty helpful and trustworthyStapl3 is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Less lift than a 272 according to some guy on dsmtalk (rip) with his dsmlink.

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 09:11 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #7 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

v8s_are_slow's Avatar
From: Panama City, Florida
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 1,872
Photos: 18
Classifieds Rating: 6
Reputation: v8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthyv8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to v8s_are_slow Send a message via MSN to v8s_are_slow Send a message via Yahoo to v8s_are_slow
15 horsepower just doesn't sound like it'd be that big a difference to notice. heck, i see underdrive pulley advertisments all the time that say 10-15 horsepower for turbo'd cars. and it doesn't seem like that big of an increase. could i maybe get a bigger gain considering the size turbo i have maybe??? we need a cam comparison test like they did with the intake manifolds....
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 09:32 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #8 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

jott5555's Avatar
From: salem, Oregon
Registered: Apr 2003
Tech Posts: 1,084
Photos: 5
Classifieds Rating: 3
Reputation: jott5555 is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to jott5555 Send a message via Yahoo to jott5555
not to get off topic but i heard that underdrive pullys are bad for out cars.. any one care to chime in?
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 09:54 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #9 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

v8s_are_slow's Avatar
From: Panama City, Florida
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 1,872
Photos: 18
Classifieds Rating: 6
Reputation: v8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthyv8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to v8s_are_slow Send a message via MSN to v8s_are_slow Send a message via Yahoo to v8s_are_slow
well, it is off topic but i'll post real quick....then back to my thread. no hijacking my thread. some say it's bad. some don't. probably good if you have a balanced motor of course. on my second one now of course with no problems and i haven't known anyone with one that's had a problem. could be a matter of opinion. i'm just doing the crank though. other pulley's could be too much and i've heard of some people losing battery power etc. but do some searching. this is a well discussed topic i know. anyway, back to my thread now thank you!!!
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2004, 10:24 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #10 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

DSMu4ia's Avatar
From: Youngstown, Ohio
Registered: Jun 2002
Tech Posts: 570
Photos: 1
Classifieds Rating: 4
Reputation: DSMu4ia is an unknown
Send a message via AIM to DSMu4ia
Aftermarket pulleys are fine everyplace else but the crank. No super fast guys run them, and there is a reason. They mess up the cranks. I'm passing a kidney stone right now or I'd get you a good explanation of why, but take it from someone who has seen damage first hand, along with many tales of it online, pulleys suck y0!
Visit DSMu4ia's homepage!  View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 06:44 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #11 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

v8s_are_slow's Avatar
From: Panama City, Florida
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 1,872
Photos: 18
Classifieds Rating: 6
Reputation: v8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthyv8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to v8s_are_slow Send a message via MSN to v8s_are_slow Send a message via Yahoo to v8s_are_slow
okay come on guys, back to topic please. there's plenty of post on pulleys i'm sure. i'm wanting to know about the cams. that's not what this thread is for and i don't want it locked. please let's get back to topic now. thanks!
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:33 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #12 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

StreetThisDSM's Avatar
From: Barberton, Ohio
Registered: Apr 2004
Tech Posts: 109
Classified Ads: 3
Classifieds Rating: 7
Reputation: StreetThisDSM is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to StreetThisDSM
I called and asked about their cams. He said they have spent the last couple of year developing them. They are susposed to have a better top end and a better idle then the HKS's. I am looking at getting the 272's (fp2's) real soon

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 08:45 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #13 (permalink)
DSM Wiseman
 

CanadianTSi's Avatar
From: Kingston, ON, Canada
Registered: Aug 2002
Tech Posts: 4,362
Photos: 13
Classifieds Rating: 2
Reputation: You can trust this leader of the site
Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetThisDSM
I called and asked about their cams. He said they have spent the last couple of year developing them. They are susposed to have a better top end and a better idle then the HKS's. I am looking at getting the 272's (fp2's) real soon
Did they say that they needed cam gears or upgraded springs/retainers ??


____________________________
Tyler Webb.
123.26mph on the Stock 7bolt.
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 09:42 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #14 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

jott5555's Avatar
From: salem, Oregon
Registered: Apr 2003
Tech Posts: 1,084
Photos: 5
Classifieds Rating: 3
Reputation: jott5555 is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to jott5555 Send a message via Yahoo to jott5555
its a well known fact that when you go with a larger cam you NEED springs and retainers. i didnt know that at one point in time and umm well needless to say i buy cower products now.
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 11:33 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #15 (permalink)
anconover
Guest
 
anconover's Avatar
Tech Posts: n/a
well 272's added 25hp to a b16g in the old AMS test no? So you pickup some decent power. And the FP cams were suppose to be pretty drop on like the HKS, and i recommend springs/retainers with them.

Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 04:31 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #16 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

Stapl3's Avatar
From: MI, Michigan
Registered: Oct 2004
Tech Posts: 1,077
Classified Ads: 1
Classifieds Rating: 46
Reputation: Stapl3 is pretty helpful and trustworthyStapl3 is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Quote:
Originally Posted by jott5555
its a well known fact that when you go with a larger cam you NEED springs and retainers.
Please stop sharing bad information.

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 05:20 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #17 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

jott5555's Avatar
From: salem, Oregon
Registered: Apr 2003
Tech Posts: 1,084
Photos: 5
Classifieds Rating: 3
Reputation: jott5555 is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to jott5555 Send a message via Yahoo to jott5555
im not share bad information.. ask every wiseman on tuners here.. you need higher tension valve springs when you use higher lift cams.. and when you done use them a majority of the time the valve will float cause you more issues than i choose to type about..
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 05:21 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #18 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

Stapl3's Avatar
From: MI, Michigan
Registered: Oct 2004
Tech Posts: 1,077
Classified Ads: 1
Classifieds Rating: 46
Reputation: Stapl3 is pretty helpful and trustworthyStapl3 is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Do you know how many people drop in just cams in their 4g63 with no I'll effects. Hundreds.

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 05:43 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #19 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

jott5555's Avatar
From: salem, Oregon
Registered: Apr 2003
Tech Posts: 1,084
Photos: 5
Classifieds Rating: 3
Reputation: jott5555 is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to jott5555 Send a message via Yahoo to jott5555
you can drop in a set of hks cams with no real problems.. but with a comp cam or fprced performance cam you need to put a set of springs in.. and how many people do u know? better yet spend you hard earned money put a set of cams into your nearly stock dsm and see what happens..

if you want to continue this you can get ahold of me via aim or pm me. keep it off the boards
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 05:58 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #20 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

Lee'sGSX's Avatar
From: Wilmington, North Carolina
Registered: Jul 2002
Tech Posts: 101
Classifieds Rating: 0
Reputation: Lee'sGSX is an unknown
Send a message via AIM to Lee'sGSX
Quote:
Originally Posted by jott5555
you can drop in a set of hks cams with no real problems.. but with a comp cam or fprced performance cam you need to put a set of springs in.. and how many people do u know? better yet spend you hard earned money put a set of cams into your nearly stock dsm and see what happens..

if you want to continue this you can get ahold of me via aim or pm me. keep it off the boards
Why this is a forum. Share you knowledge. I'd like to read it!


____________________________
Lee Evans

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 06:05 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #21 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

91TSiAWD_Mark's Avatar
From: Mt. Pleasant, Michigan
Registered: Jun 2004
Tech Posts: 9
Classifieds Rating: 0
Reputation: 91TSiAWD_Mark is an unknown
Weather or not you need heavier springs has nothing to do with the manufacturer of the cam, it has to do with lift and duration. Example: The stock cams have .366" in / .343" ex lift. They suggest better springs (just a suggestion though) when you go to .391 / .372 lift, and mandatory when you go to .411 / .391 lift.

Anytime you install cams its best to degree them. Well, degreeing cams is part of installing them. This is preatty much mandatory on ANY cam on ANY motor. It gets you the proper baseline and the best starting results.

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 06:41 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #22 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

v8s_are_slow's Avatar
From: Panama City, Florida
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 1,872
Photos: 18
Classifieds Rating: 6
Reputation: v8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthyv8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to v8s_are_slow Send a message via MSN to v8s_are_slow Send a message via Yahoo to v8s_are_slow
well, i know a lotta people (from what i was reading on dsmtalk when it was up) didn't use aftermarket cam gears. cause apparently hks and these cams are cut closest to stock. heard that most people did alright without the gears but i don't have 1st hand knowledge. i for one might just use the stock gears for now so when i get them on, maybe i can post a review.

undecided onthe springs though. wish i had a good definate answer on that. i'd throw them on later for sure but would like to slap on the cams till i could afford the springs too....hmmmm....
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:03 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #23 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

almostquick's Avatar
From: Moore, Oklahoma
Registered: Feb 2003
Tech Posts: 196
Classifieds Rating: 18
Reputation: almostquick is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to almostquick
I've been waiting for a thread like this, I looking into buying the FP2's also but on a fairly stock head(just a 3 angle). hopefully we can get some people to chim in that own the cams.


____________________________
-Zach Sayre-
14B...12.5
20G...11.5
60-1...

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:03 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #24 (permalink)
anconover
Guest
 
anconover's Avatar
Tech Posts: n/a
dont worry about cam gears right now. springs and retainers, id recommend them if you plan to rev to redline a fair amount.

Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:08 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #25 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

almostquick's Avatar
From: Moore, Oklahoma
Registered: Feb 2003
Tech Posts: 196
Classifieds Rating: 18
Reputation: almostquick is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to almostquick
good set you would recommend? looks like I'm going to do springs, retainers, and cams all at once, good thing christmas is coming......


____________________________
-Zach Sayre-
14B...12.5
20G...11.5
60-1...

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:16 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #26 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

Scrymerr's Avatar
From: Vacaville, California
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 706
Photos: 13
Classifieds Rating: 20
Reputation: Scrymerr is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to Scrymerr
Quote:
Originally Posted by 91TSiAWD_Mark
Weather or not you need heavier springs has nothing to do with the manufacturer of the cam, it has to do with lift and duration. Example: The stock cams have .366" in / .343" ex lift. They suggest better springs (just a suggestion though) when you go to .391 / .372 lift, and mandatory when you go to .411 / .391 lift.

Anytime you install cams its best to degree them. Well, degreeing cams is part of installing them. This is preatty much mandatory on ANY cam on ANY motor. It gets you the proper baseline and the best starting results.
That is good to know. Now with this info, what is the lift on HKS cams vs FP2 cams??


____________________________
-Dan
-1998 T-top GST-AWD
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:26 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #27 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

rdrkt's Avatar
From: Baltimore, Maryland
Registered: Apr 2002
Tech Posts: 1,326
Photos: 5
Classifieds Rating: 0
Reputation: rdrkt is an experienced, knowledgeable member worth listening tordrkt is an experienced, knowledgeable member worth listening tordrkt is an experienced, knowledgeable member worth listening tordrkt is an experienced, knowledgeable member worth listening tordrkt is an experienced, knowledgeable member worth listening tordrkt is an experienced, knowledgeable member worth listening to
Quote:
Originally Posted by jott5555
im not share bad information.. ask every wiseman on tuners here.. you need higher tension valve springs when you use higher lift cams.. and when you done use them a majority of the time the valve will float cause you more issues than i choose to type about..
I have been running the stock springs and retainers for a few years now with 272s and rev up past 8k all the time. I have never had any issues and I am running 131 mph traps. I haven’t found a set of valve springs that REALLY prove themselves THAT much better than stock to be worth the price.
Visit rdrkt's homepage!  View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:32 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #28 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

almostquick's Avatar
From: Moore, Oklahoma
Registered: Feb 2003
Tech Posts: 196
Classifieds Rating: 18
Reputation: almostquick is more helpful than not
Send a message via AIM to almostquick
ding ding ding, we have a winner, thanks for your input rdrkt


____________________________
-Zach Sayre-
14B...12.5
20G...11.5
60-1...

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:37 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #29 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

Scrymerr's Avatar
From: Vacaville, California
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 706
Photos: 13
Classifieds Rating: 20
Reputation: Scrymerr is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to Scrymerr
That is all I needed to hear as well. I am still interested on the lift of the FP cams vs the HKS. I will try emailing them later. The lift on the HKS cams is 10.3mm (.405") and9.8mm (.386")

--Dan


____________________________
-Dan
-1998 T-top GST-AWD
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2004, 07:38 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #30 (permalink)
Proven Member
 

v8s_are_slow's Avatar
From: Panama City, Florida
Registered: Sep 2002
Tech Posts: 1,872
Photos: 18
Classifieds Rating: 6
Reputation: v8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthyv8s_are_slow is extremely helpful and trustworthy
Send a message via AIM to v8s_are_slow Send a message via MSN to v8s_are_slow Send a message via Yahoo to v8s_are_slow
some good info coming now. guestion i've got though. for those of you running cams, and cams was the only mod you did at the time, how big a difference did ya notice in the seat of ## pants? i've read that sheet metal intake manifolds can yield 30+ horsepower. but then people are telling me to get the cams vs. the manifold. some guys getting 15 horsepower after cams. okay, what the heck......wondering which route to go and how big of an improvement i'd notice.

sure wish we had some feedback from the FP cam owners though. maybe even those running them without cam gears....

glad i started this thread
View photos of this member's car 

mark post as helpful recommend reputation points    Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

 


» Recent DSM Videos
1gb AEM wastegate hood dump 2step
» Recent DSM Photo
Post your banner here

» Current Poll
How many times have you been to the Shootout?
1 - 38.41%
111 Votes
2-5 - 43.60%
126 Votes
6-10 - 10.73%
31 Votes
11-15 - 2.77%
8 Votes
16-20 - 4.50%
13 Votes
Total Votes: 289
You may not vote on this poll.
» Online Users: 813
324 members and 489 guests
Most users ever online was 1,704, 03-17-2008 at 09:11 PM.
DSMtuners Main Sections
DSM Forums
DSM Regional Forums
DSM Builds/Journals
DSM Articles
DSM Tech Guides
DSM Upgrade Paths
DSM Parts Reviews
DSM Vendor Reviews

DSM Classifieds
DSM Parts Guides
DSM Photos
DSM Videos
DSM Timeslips
DSM Dyno Sheets
Shirts & Apparel
DSMtuners Decals

Advertising Info
Our Sponsors
Site Rules
Terms of Service
Privacy Policy
Site FAQ
About Us
Contact Us

© 2012 DSMtuners.com - All Rights Reserved

DSMtuners is not affiliated with Diamond Star Motors. The Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser, Mitsubishi Galant VR-4, and associated logos are trademarks of Diamond Star Motors, Mitsubishi Motors, and Chrysler Corporation.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:26 AM.


Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0