Will this intercooler FIT? and other intercooler questions!

[-=TWITCH=-]

I have a chance to get this intercooler at a great price brand new. I want to make sure the intercooler will fit. I have a 95 TSi, I also want to make sure this is the best intercooler for my future setup? Right now I am running a big16g 7cm2 and in the future will be running a PTE 50 trim. Will this intercooler be enough for a 50trim series turbo? I will have custom charge pipes made for the setup so IM not to worried about that just want to make sure the intercooler will look and perform good. I have 3 choices of core size. Please let me know witch I should go with.

18x6x3 for 399.00
18x8x3 for 449.00
25x8x3 for 550.00
25x10x3 for 650.00

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That is just the CORE size not the entire intercooler. Also the intercooler is setup with both charge pipes entering and leaving the same side of the intercooler. Does this matter? is it good or bar? The reason I like the pipes in the same side is shorter charge pipes and easier to FAB pipes

or I can get this intercooler for 485.00

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its CORE size is 26"x10"x3 please let me know what the best decision is thanks a lot

Chris

 

[j_woody]

the core I will be ordering in a few days to support a 50 trim is 24X10X3.

here is a pic.

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it is 465.00 for the core and endtanks and I will be making the piping myself. if this wont support a 50 trim I dont know what would. Just make sure the intercooler is a bar and plate. I know a lot of older style intercoolers are sold for pretty cheap but do not give the same performance a bar and plate style would. Also make sure that core is a real spearco core, not a cheap core with spearco painted on it.

 

[DSMJim]

You guys are going crazy with those ebay cores...

The 26x10x3 isn't really that large.. Thats about the same size as the cooler that I have on my car except it's 28x8x3.5 and i'm running a 50trim turbo.

Personally I found it easier with pipes going end to end. Once you have a new turbo on there you can point the turbo housing down and just run a pipe off the outlet of the turbo around to the drivers side of the car and make your entrance there to your new intercooler... Much easier and nicer.

 

[LandoAWD]

All of those will fit. Hell, my core does. I don't understand the obsession wit E-bay cores, though. Like I said in another thread, I could spray paint 'Spearco' on my toilet, but that doesn't make it a 2-216.

 

[-=TWITCH=-]

I have seen the Ebay intercoolers in person. they are really nice bar and plate ETC. and the price is great, you can get a nice intercooler for a fraction of the price of a name brand say Greddy ETC. then just FAB your own intercooler pipes and you have a complete setup for 500-600 not 800-1000


Chris

 

[Ben K]

The ebay cores are not Spearco.

 

[LandoAWD]

Originally posted by Ben K
The ebay cores are not Spearco.

Exactly. See toilet remark.

 

[Ben K]

Originally posted by LandoAWD
Exactly. See toilet remark.

I saw your toilet, I don't thing anyone else did though.

 

[LandoAWD]

Originally posted by Ben K
I saw your toilet, I don't thing anyone else did though.

SUPPORTING MODS FIRST!!!

Alright, I'm through with the hijack.


All these e-bay IC posts remind me of the saying "If it seems too good to be true, then it probably is".

 

[doug]

Disregarding the issue of whether it's a Spearco or not, I like top-to-bottom cores and think that either of the 25-inch wide ones would serve the purpose. I don't know about fitment with those tall end tanks, though. So to be safe, I'd probably go with the 25x8.

 

[j_woody]

do real spearco cores have any distinguishing marks on them? I am going to email the seller of all these cores and have him send me pictures of something that will prove it is indeed a spearco core.

 

[dsmturboawd]

Originally posted by Ben K
The ebay cores are not Spearco.

The cores themselves are. The top plate is not a spearco weld. The endtanks are not spearco.

 

[nine5raptor]

Originally posted by -=TWITCH=-
18x6x3 for 399.00
18x8x3 for 449.00
25x8x3 for 550.00
25x10x3 for 650.00

That is just the CORE size not the entire intercooler. Also the intercooler is setup with both charge pipes entering and leaving the same side of the intercooler. Does this matter? is it good or bar? The reason I like the pipes in the same side is shorter charge pipes and easier to FAB pipes

or I can get this intercooler for 485.00
its CORE size is 26"x10"x3 please let me know what the best decision is thanks a lot

Chris

Hey twitch,

If you go with one of those intercoolers with both outlet/inlet on the same size, you are going to have a piping traffic jam. I had a hard enough time getting just one 2.5" pipe on the passenger side.

One other thing I would like to bring up is the same sided ones can have trouble with hot-spotting. You pretty much get (for example the one pictured above) a large boundary area on the right half of the intercooler while your flow is staying on the left.

Even more troublesome are the intercoolers like the second one where both the inlet and the outlet are on the bottom. All of your flow is going to go through the bottom half of the intercooler.

I like the one I got. It has flow from drivers side bottom to passengers side top. This pretty much forces the air to move through the whole intercooler.

chris
kcdsm

btw: If you want to check mine out sometime, I go to umkc or live in Lees Summit. Just let me know on the kcdsm list.

 

[doug]

Originally posted by nine5raptor
One other thing I would like to bring up is the same sided ones can have trouble with hot-spotting. You pretty much get (for example the one pictured above) a large boundary area on the right half of the intercooler while your flow is staying on the left.

I would tend to believe that for the top-to-bottom cores that have the end tanks that taper off toward the far end, but I would think (and this a total guess, but I'm gonna throw it out there anyway) that since this end tank design is a lot more even from end to end, it wouldn't have as big a problem with that.

 

[13secGST]

Originally posted by nine5raptor
One other thing I would like to bring up is the same sided ones can have trouble with hot-spotting. You pretty much get (for example the one pictured above) a large boundary area on the right half of the intercooler while your flow is staying on the left.

Even more troublesome are the intercoolers like the second one where both the inlet and the outlet are on the bottom. All of your flow is going to go through the bottom half of the intercooler.

Doug almost said this but he didn't quite finish it...so I will.

First off, you are slightly wrong. In this top-bottom intercooler, yes, there would be hot-spotting because of the endtank design. But on top-bottom IC's with endtanks that taper down at an angle towards the end, they don't hot spot...with that tapper, the air actually hits the far end of the intercooler first, then it starts to go down through it. And because of the tapper, it is pretty much even flow thoughout the intercooler.

And on IC's with the inlet and outlet on the bottom...this also isn't the biggest deal, depending on how the endtanks are designed, those particular ones on the side-side don't look to bad, but they could be better. You still want a more tappered end tank. And also, although not all the air flows through the bottom, probaby like 60% bottom half 40% through top half...you would want a ratio like that...reason being, the air hitting the intercooler is hitting the bottom half...there isn't as much air directly hitting the top half...some of it is blocked by the bumper. So the bottom half will cool a LITTLE better...but will also have to cool a LITTLE more airflow...so the effiecency of the intercooler as a whole will balance it self out.

 

[-=TWITCH=-]

Originally posted by nine5raptor
Hey twitch,

If you go with one of those intercoolers with both outlet/inlet on the same size, you are going to have a piping traffic jam. I had a hard enough time getting just one 2.5" pipe on the passenger side.

One other thing I would like to bring up is the same sided ones can have trouble with hot-spotting. You pretty much get (for example the one pictured above) a large boundary area on the right half of the intercooler while your flow is staying on the left.

Even more troublesome are the intercoolers like the second one where both the inlet and the outlet are on the bottom. All of your flow is going to go through the bottom half of the intercooler.

I like the one I got. It has flow from drivers side bottom to passengers side top. This pretty much forces the air to move through the whole intercooler.

chris
kcdsm

btw: If you want to check mine out sometime, I go to umkc or live in Lees Summit. Just let me know on the kcdsm list.

Thanks a lot for the good info! I would love to check out your setup! we will have to have a KCDSM meet soon!

Chris

 

[13secGST]

Buschur

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DSS

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Dejon Tool

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Those are for 1g's...except for DSS...he would make something very similar but different piping.

2g's
Dejon Tool

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Pro Street

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Victory Performance

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Those are the intercooler designs I think are the best...for both 1g's and 2g's...I didn't look through all the 1g ones though...cause after I got as far as I did...I realized I was in the 1g side (I opened both so I could look at them)

 

[doug]

Originally posted by 13secGST
Doug almost said this but he didn't quite finish it...

You are too kind-- cuz it looks like I was bass ackwards wrong. What you said makes perfect sense, and I failed to think it through all the way about the taper, and about the inlets/outlets on the bottom where the bumper opening is.

I tend to like most of those same designs you posted the pics of-- I would be willing to bet you've also read "Maximum Boost". He goes into some detail about good end tank design, and the points he makes in the book also seem to make sense.