Does this sound like a good setup?

[SoontobeDSM]

Alright, I'm new here, but I know a lot about DSM's. My G/F has an Eclipse GS-T. I've been looking into getting a GSX. It is either get a GSX and mod it to all ends, or get a bone stock lancer evo when it comes out.

Here is what would be done to the GSX as soon as I bought it.

-FP Big Red turbo
-46mm Wastegate(should I go larger?)
-Garret Exhaust manifold
-EVO 02 housing
-Sheet metal intake manifold from FP
-Fuel pump
-850cc injectors(larger or smaller)
-FMIC with all piping
-Blitz BOV
-HKS cams
-HKS cam gears
-ACT race clutch w/ extreme pressure plate
-Full exhaust from turbo back
-DSM link standalone
-and all necessary gauges.

What am I missing and what should I change for something better? I am very serious about this and I would really like to know what the best set up is. I would like to hit somewhere in the 11's with full interior.
Thanks a lot.

 

[swordfish]

You cant run a garrett flanged manifold with an FP Red. The Red uses a mitsu housing, 7cm or 8cm which ever you specify when ordering the turbo.

jeff

 

[SoontobeDSM]

So I would just need their normal manifold with the 7 or 8cm housing?
Is there anything else that won't work in my setup?

 

[Hobbes =^.^=]

Just keep in mind, that slapping all the parts on wont make you hit 11s right away. It'll take a couple of years, alot of practice, and you knowing the car inside and out.

Also if you are planning to do this. Just don't put the parts right away. Take it step by step, and make sure you go forward instead of backwards. Known a couple of people who put on tons of parts and actually went slower, or had to potential to go fast, they didn't know what they were doing. If it was that easy, wouldn't we be seeing a whole lotta 11 sec DSMs?

Red isn't a streetable turbo. Green is better or the L2R. Read the tuning pages on this site to give you a better idea on what to do. Be a little more realistic and hit 12s, then if you feel the need to go faster, then hit 11s.

DSMLink is not a standalone. It's like a datalogger with and AFC mixed in, with some other features. But again, its not a standalone.

And you forgot a Boost Controller......

=^.^=

 

[SoontobeDSM]

Yeah I know it would take a lot of practice. But 11's are my overall goal.

The reason I wanted to do everything at once is because I know if you switch turbos, you need a new downpipe, and different I/C piping. Correct?

What makes the Red not streetable? Is it the lag and slow spool up? I don't really mind any of that. I was looking at the green also, but I just figured that the Red would put me closer to my goal.

What do you think about the AEM EMS? Is that a good system for these cars? Or should I go with Haltech, Speedpro(do they make systems for these cars?)

I'll get a boost controller.

 

[Hobbes =^.^=]

Forced Performance is the one saying it's not streetable. So what does that say Green has been proven to hit 11s, so why not go with that?

The AEM standalone is pretty good, but you need very good knowledge of your car and tuning. Else you might blow your engine up or something. You can stick with the S-AFC or DSMLink people have hit 11s with them. And then you can upgrade.

When you start modding your DSM things are going to break, maybe alot of them. And it's going to cost a pretty penny. So that's why taking it step by step is a good idea. So you know what caused what and how to fix it yourself.

Follow the tuning guide here, and you'll be fine.

=^.^=

 

[jdmawd]

I don't see a problem with doing a whole setup all at once. If you are going to run a big turbo you need supporting mods correct? so the fuel system,fmic fuel management,clutch..ect are necessities right? From the beginning. once all the hard parts are installed you tune it practice and if you're setup, driving and tuning are up to par you will achieve you're goals.

 

[Violater101]

Green should be good for 11's. Also, I'm not sure about the Evo O2 housing, but where do you plan on mounting your wg? Manifold? Good Luck.

 

[90GSX]

According to FP's website, a stock motor will not last long with an FP Red. You'll need Pistons and Rods at minimum to get the most out of a turbo that big. You'll also want a ported and polished cyl. head with Titanium Springs and retainers to go with those HKS cams and sheetmetal manifold, which are designed for high revving engines.

Also, you may consider forgoing the EVO O2housing, and just get a 3" O2 eliminator, which is bigger and will flow better than the EVO housing.

If you only want to run mid/high 11's, you may consider a smaller turbo, like a green, ETE32, or 20G, which will be much easier on a stock motor, and are all easily capable of running in the 11's.

Good luck

 

[SoontobeDSM]

Originally posted by Hobbes =^.^=
Forced Performance is the one saying it's not streetable. So what does that say Green has been proven to hit 11s, so why not go with that?

The AEM standalone is pretty good, but you need very good knowledge of your car and tuning. Else you might blow your engine up or something. You can stick with the S-AFC or DSMLink people have hit 11s with them. And then you can upgrade.

When you start modding your DSM things are going to break, maybe alot of them. And it's going to cost a pretty penny. So that's why taking it step by step is a good idea. So you know what caused what and how to fix it yourself.

Follow the tuning guide here, and you'll be fine.

=^.^=

Yeah, I'm expecting stuff to break, but I do have some pretty good mechanical know-how, so I should be able to fix the car. There is a place not too far from me getting an AWD dyno, so I will be able to tune the car pretty easily. I thought the AEM was made to make tuning much easier for the regular person? I've been convinced to go with the Green. I have read such good things about it. I just thought the Red would provide better power. I can take it step by step, but my biggest worry is the fact that I would need to change many different parts when I would upgrade to a larger turbo and things like that. Such as the downpipe and i/c piping.

 

[SoontobeDSM]

jdmawd: I am in the same mind-set as you. I figure I should get everything installed together so they can all work together from the beginning. But Hobbes does have a very valid point.

Violater: I was planning on running the wastegate on the manifold. Is there a better place to put it? Everything I have seen always has the wastegate mounted on the manifold.

90GSX: I'm going to go with the FP green, being how much people talk good things about them. I was looking over the ney for retainers and springs, and new valves. But I could not find anything. Is there a good website with some prices and info for them? I guess the 3" o2 elimanator it is. I just really want a set up that works and runs good. If you ahve any other ideas of what may be better tahn something I have listed, please let me know.

 

[SoontobeDSM]

Also, what are things I can do to reinforce the trans. Such as a new drive shaft, differential? Or should the stock trans be ok. I am definitely getting a clutch though. But are there any other things I can do to help keep from blowing the trans on a hard launch?

 

[90GSX]

www.dsm-performance.com
...has a valvespring and retainer set, as well as a full 3" O2 eliminator turbo back exhuast available. You might also check out their turbos too, unless you're determined to have a FP turbo.

Other noteable websites...FYI
www.buschurracing.com
www.diamondstarmotorsports.com
www.roadraceengineering.com
www.turbotrix.com
www.extrememotorsports.com

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by SoontobeDSM
jdmawd: I am in the same mind-set as you. I figure I should get everything installed together so they can all work together from the beginning. But Hobbes does have a very valid point.

before i bought the very first part, i did a TON of reading and searching. im sure you can dig up some of my how to make 400 HP posts over at the other site. it just made sense that there is a proven combination that will yield you the performance you are looking for. as long as you do everything right. i selected parts that have been proven to support the goals i am looking for. If I had a 20 g or green turbo on my car. people would be high fiveing and cheering my setup. But because I have a dsm-performance turbo people seem to think my turbo will not allow me to obtain my goals. well its all coming together and I am very confident that mid 11's are doable with my current setup.

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by SoontobeDSM
Also, what are things I can do to reinforce the trans. Such as a new drive shaft, differential? Or should the stock trans be ok. I am definitely getting a clutch though. But are there any other things I can do to help keep from blowing the trans on a hard launch?

If you're "going all out" from the beginning I suggest buying a racing trans from either

www.teamrip.com
www.bmtranny.com
or John Shepard, whos website/email I do not know

You'll want a reinforced centerdiff, (spool, welded, quaife, or 4gear), reinforced shift forks (EVO steel, or Billet Aluminum), upgraded syncros(TRE Double syncro), and even with all these parts you'll still break it! HA!

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by jdmawd

If I had a 20 g or green turbo on my car. people would be high fiveing and cheering my setup. But because I have a dsm-performance turbo people seem to think my turbo will not allow me to obtain my goals.

"High Five" to you.

I'm happy with my Mutt, has it run 11's yet? No. If I had a green or 20G on the car would it have run 11's yet? Probably not. Will it run 11's? YES.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by 90GSX


"High Five" to you.

I'm happy with my Mutt, has it run 11's yet? No. If I had a green or 20G on the car would it have run 11's yet? Probably not. Will it run 11's? YES.

thanks man, im as confident as you

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by jdmawd


thanks man, im as confident as you

You should be. I'm only a couple tenths away from 11's, and your parts list is longer.

Actually, on my 12.23 @ 113 run I was lifting to shift every gear, and didn't get a great launch (1.72 60') Since then I've had several 1.6 60's and run 115 MPH, I just haven't been able to do it all on the same run! HA!

I had a lot of tranny/drivetrain trouble (broken syncro, broken shift fork, broken axle) So I've really been babying the trans because I hate pushing the car onto the trailer! Since my last track visit I've "speed shifted" a couple times on the street (i.e. WOT durring the shift) and it happily goes into gear. The EVO forks I installed seem to "push" it into gear a little better the stock Aluminum ones.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by 90GSX


You should be. I'm only a couple tenths away from 11's, and your parts list is longer.

Actually, on my 12.23 @ 113 run I was lifting to shift every gear, and didn't get a great launch (1.72 60') Since then I've had several 1.6 60's and run 115 MPH, I just haven't been able to do it all on the same run! HA!

I had a lot of tranny/drivetrain trouble (broken syncro, broken shift fork, broken axle) So I've really been babying the trans because I hate pushing the car onto the trailer! Since my last track visit I've "speed shifted" a couple times on the street (i.e. WOT durring the shift) and it happily goes into gear. The EVO forks I installed seem to "push" it into gear a little better the stock Aluminum ones.

thats awesome, man are you a member of the yahoo mutt owners group? i would love to chat with you about you're setup. since its very similar to mine. i cant wait untill you break into the 11's which seems like it will be very very soon.

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by jdmawd


thats awesome, man are you a member of the yahoo mutt owners group? i would love to chat with you about you're setup. since its very similar to mine. i cant wait untill you break into the 11's which seems like it will be very very soon.

"mutt owners group"?? throw me some info, a website. I'll definately check it out.

 

[Kingdom]

wait for the Evolution.

 

[AWDSM]

Sorry this is late, just read the post. If you're still looking for Shepard's site its

www.shepracing.com

 

[bretthejet26]

how about getting a boost gauge?