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[FastRthenU]

I want to have a real indepth conversion on Engine Managment Systems. What are people using, how do they like it, what features it has, what features do you wish it has. How difficault was the install, is the software user friendly. What is the price, were there any extra cost (sensors, etc) Plus anything else you might think is worth while to share.

Also has anybody on there been using the Perfect Power Smt6 or there full stand-alons

 

[autronicDSM]

I'm using Autronic. Installation was a snap but I took my time to run the wires all hidden. It used all the stock sensors. There are different features depending which chip you get. I don't exactly remember which goes with what but here's a short list of things I remember: autotune, traction control, lunch control, flat shifting, antilag... The only thing that I don't like about it is O2 input takes only 0-1V so if you want to autotune or log your AFR you need to get Autronic's analyzer which outputs both 0-1 and 0-5V. Software is easy, even the old DOS one was easy to use. New windows software allows you to place whatever you're logging wherever on the screen. For example you can have timing and AFR in one corner of the screen. boost, coolant temp, air temp in other, you get the point?

I have no clue how much power I'm making right now because this summer I built my 7bolt but haven't installed it yet. Before that I was just running 15PSI and tuning on the street to teach myself everything.

 

[Slappster]

Most well known and used are aem ems, haltech and most expensive but the best is motech.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Slappster
the best is motech.

what makes the motec the best?

 

[Wobble]

dont forget DSMLINK, cheapest and good for alot of stuff

 

[Mike 99GSX]

Originally posted by Wobble
dont forget DSMLINK, cheapest and good for alot of stuff

He's a 1g.

 

[Mike 99GSX]

Originally posted by jdmawd


what makes the motec the best?

Yeah. What does make the Motec the best? I bet its because Brent Rau uses it, right

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Mike 99GSX


Yeah. What does make the Motec the best? I bet its because Brent Rau uses it, right

I dont know that's why i posed the question. 99% of what RAU does is totally irrelevant to the rest of the moding dsm community.

 

[Mike 99GSX]

Originally posted by jdmawd


I dont know that's why i posed the question. 99% of what RAU does is totally irrelevant to the rest of the moding dsm community.

I know that. I was being sarcastic. I would like to know why he says that the Motec is the best.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Mike 99GSX


I know that. I was being sarcastic.

So was i.

 

[autronicDSM]

Motec is best because it will control EVERYTHING, even BMW's dual vanos. I'd suggest going on yahoo and looking for EFI groups. See what people outside of US recommend.

 

[FastRthenU]

Well even if motech is the best. Im not payin 4000usd for there cheapest system.

I have heard very nagative things about the AEM system. Alot of it from Marco. I have heard it is a pain in the ass to setup. Dont know if this is completly true. I just seem to hear a lot of nagitive feed back about it. I also see a lot of ppl getting rid of them.

The main systems Im looking at right now are the Haltech E6k, or the E6x. That and the Perfect Power PRS 4. I would really like to hear more about these systems. The PRS 4 has some pretty impressive features, and the price is nice also.

Things like the Motech, Accel DFI, are just out of the question. there great systems but there is no way I could efford one.

 

[Mike 99GSX]

I read about Marco bashing the EMS all the time. There are/were definately good reasons for it. There also are big time DSM tuners though having good success with it(Buschur, RRE). It just depends on who you talk to and what product that person chose to invest their time, money, and learning curve into. If you're close to Magnus there in Canada and think that you may need them for support then the Haltech would be the way to go.

 

[DSMJim]

With the plug and play harness available shortly the E6K is the way to go for shizzle, cause it's off the hizzle...

 

[Hal]

Originally posted by Mike 99GSX
He's a 1g.

If some one is willing to install a standalone (like a Motec), the effort needed to put a 2g ECU into a 1g is a "nit".

It's been done quite a few times.

It's certainly FAR simpler than installing a Haltech (even with a terminated harness).

Hal

 

[FastRthenU]

well to be honest, I would never switch to ob2. I wish dsmlink would come out with a 1g version. they said they were going to bring it out this summer. But They havent yet. I know there is a lot of ppl running stand alones on this board. So where are all the replies

 

[Rick@AP]

Don't hold your breath waiting for the 1g DSMLink. From everything that I've heard its not going to happen.

I've decided on the AEM for my current project car. I have had a chance to play with one on a dyno and was able to get pretty good results. My only problem is that I didn't feel that it was as intuiative as some of the others I tried, but then again I had a EFI PMS that was intuiative as hell but generally sucked.

I would suggest at least downloading the demo software from AEM's site and giving it a once over to see if you tink you'll like it.

 

[nowayout]

I have converted to the AEM I got the full setup with wide band O2. I'will see waht it can do. it will take a little time getting use to it . but with anything there a learning curve that goes along with it.


I would love to try a Motec setup. Maybe my nest car Lotus Elise.

 

[FastRthenU]

i downloaded the software for the AEM EMS. I like the options but the software seems a little complicated

 

[yhype]

Has anyone heard any positive or negative things about the Greddy E-manage....I've heard that its pretty capable of things but, i haven't heard much of it on this site at all...

 

[coos]

I just got done with a fully built 300zx with e-manage. It was easy to install, but it is very limited in its tuning. It took several dyno passes before the right settings were found. It is a piggy back system, I would recomend just a afc and avcr over the e-manage.

 

[Hal]

For this discussion, what is the definition of an engine management system?

In my opinion, a "piggy back" isn't an EMS.

Piggy backs attempt to make the actual EMS do things by fooling (adjusting sensor inputs/outputs) into doing something it "normally" wouldn't do.

AFC, ITC, E-manage, XEDE, VPC, etc all fall into this category.

Hal

 

[Rick@AP]

Agreed. Those are off topic...

On the AEM, you now see what I'm talking about when I say its not very intuiative. You really need to spend some time with someone that has one or install it and get to a dyno to really firgure the system out. It took me roughly an hour or more to understand how things relate to each other menu wise.

With that said, the Haltech is IMHO, no better when it comes to being intuiative.

My best suggestion would be to check for the features that you want, compare that with the price and then pick a system and hold on for the ride. I do believe that a lot of people have given up on a given system too early instead of investing enough time to understand it. I think this is especially true with the AEM system.

Also, I forgot to ask earlier, how far do you really want to go? Do you mind putting in your own wiring loom, etc.? If you REALLY want to go stand alone the TEC is one of the best that I've seen. GEMS is nice also if you have the cash.

 

[FastRthenU]

I do have big plans for the car. But with no backin what so ever I really cant efford systems like the motech, and the accel dfi, ect.
They are just way to expensive for my budget right now. Is anyone on this board used the Perfect power products? I would really like some more info on these.

I really do like the options that the AEM system has to offer. Plus they keep coming out with add on's which is cool also. I just has to sit down for a few hours and figure out how the system works. But I would have to do the same thing with any other system out there. I have never played around with the haltech software, but I know ppl running it, and I could always get Marco to help with tuning it. That's the main reason I'm even thinking of going that root. But damn I love the options on the AEM's.

I really have no problem with wiring at all. But If I didnt have to that would be fine with me. Again a bonus for the AEM system

 

[autronicDSM]

Did you download autronic software? It took my less then 20 mins after wiring everything to start the car. I found the software (DOS version at that time) to be failry easy. After entering crank and ignition settings all you have to do is program 2 main maps (fuel and timing). When you're done with that you can fine tune other maps for acceleration enrichemnt, deceleration, throttle tip in, etc. I used default settings for most of these except when winter came I had to adjust my warm up enrichment. Since they have their own forum I think support for it is great and supposedly there is a huge database of base maps for most of the cars. I decided to do everything myself because I wanted to learn everything about stand alones. All you have to do is request a map from the dealer you bought your unit from. If you have any specific questions let me know. Like I said before I think Autronic is great except their O2 input but that's needed only when you try to log