Going From Big 16G to PTE 60 Trim

[Chrono]

Just thinking what your guys thoughts on are from me going from my big 16 to a PTE .60 trim....like what advantages other then getting more HP...

 

[Mike 99GSX]

Update your profile with your current mods and it would be easier to chime in.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

Originally posted by Mike 99GSX
Update your profile with your current mods and it would be easier to chime in.

WeRd ur still stock to us u gotta update

 

[Dieselboy]

Who needs supporting mods Toss that bad boy on witcha 450cc's and stock exhaust













J/k'n

 

[Violater101]

Umm, not much benefit besides being faster

 

[11secDSM]

...I hope you have the supporting mods to support the PTE 60 trim. I personally just upgraded to the PTE 60-1 from a Buschur big 16g and it's a HUGE turbo. It's got a bit of lag (nothing I can't deal with) but the top end is incredible!! Depending on what you are expecting to get out of it I might reconsider your choice. I wanted a turbo that had a lot of top end potential...if you want something that spools up quick and still has a decent top end I'd look into a 50 trim or something similar. The AGP RS49 is an awesome turbo for something like that along with the PTE 50 trim. Just my 2cents. Peace.

 

[headrec*]

Get ready for some SERIOUS LAG!

 

[twenty5psi]

Originally posted by 11secDSM
...I hope you have the supporting mods to support the PTE 60 trim. I personally just upgraded to the PTE 60-1 from a Buschur big 16g and it's a HUGE turbo. It's got a bit of lag (nothing I can't deal with) but the top end is incredible!! Depending on what you are expecting to get out of it I might reconsider your choice. I wanted a turbo that had a lot of top end potential...if you want something that spools up quick and still has a decent top end I'd look into a 50 trim or something similar. The AGP RS49 is an awesome turbo for something like that along with the PTE 50 trim. Just my 2cents. Peace.

blah,the 50 trim i have right now spools like a v8..

and you will be coming to our magnificent bbq still right?..i by the hamburgers and i get to go for a ride!!..

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by headrec*
Get ready for some SERIOUS LAG!

on a 60 trim? it is'nt that bad.. i think you are thinking of the 60-1?

 

[Groomz]

Big difference between a 60-1 and a 60 trim. A 60 trim turbo such as the PTE will support maybe around 60-80 more horsepower than a 50 trim. I plan on getting the 60 trim for more top end power. Who needs a drag strip when you have an empty highway???

 

[DSMJim]

Originally posted by Groomz
Big difference between a 60-1 and a 60 trim. A 60 trim turbo such as the PTE will support maybe around 60-80 more horsepower than a 50 trim. I plan on getting the 60 trim for more top end power. Who needs a drag strip when you have an empty highway???

60-80HP extra above 26psi and on race gas. Otherwise on pump gas it will make 30-50hp less on the same boost (under 22psi) as a 50trim.

I dynoed 20whp more with my 50trim than a buddy with the same mods on a 60trim at the same boost level. The kicker is he had a Magnus sheet metal intake manifold so without that manifold I would be making a lot more than he was.

 

[Groomz]

Really good point, didn't think of that. I was actually planning on a 60 trim but now that you said that it makes way more sense to have a 50 trim turbo for the street.

 

[11secDSM]

...you guys are definitely underestimating the 60-1. It's definitely not the quickest spooling turbo, but it isn't exactly slow. It's got great horsepower potential with the correct supporting mods and correct tuning. It's also an excellent turbo for those of us who enjoy open highway runs. It's not the turbo or everyone....if you want a fast spooling turbo look at 50 trims and such. You can't just say a turbo sucks because it spools up slower than others. I'll be dynoing my car in a couple of weeks and I'll post results then ...to each his own. ...2 more cents.....

 

[jdmawd]

A 60-1 will not touch a 50 trim at lower boost levels on pump gas. I think thats where most street cars spend most there time. under 25 psi and on unleaded fuel. My old 50 trim spooled 25 psi at 3500 and i ran 25 psi daily.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

My God, theres such bullshit in this thread....do you guys distill it or does it occur this pure in nature? 60 trims make 50 less hp huh? Well, you know, tuning might have a thing or 2 to do ith that sort of thing....same with the 60-1, which I might add made my mildly modded stock motor, safc tuned car trap 90 in the eigth and 112 in the qaurter on 91 octane, full weight, 20 psi.....and bolt on to bolt on was faster then a 20g, 50 or 60 trim....and over 120 on race gas.

60-1 have trapped 144 MPH, no nitrous. They will be faster then a 50 or 60 trim at any boost level....just like a 60 trim, tuning for tuning, beat a 50 trim.

Or should the people with honda's makeing 500 wheel hp at 18 PSI on 60-1's change to 50 trims....maybe someone should tell them!

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by ItsStockOfficer
My God, theres such bullshit in this thread....do you guys distill it or does it occur this pure in nature? 60 trims make 50 less hp huh? Well, you know, tuning might have a thing or 2 to do ith that sort of thing....same with the 60-1, which I might add made my mildly modded stock motor, safc tuned car trap 90 in the eigth and 112 in the qaurter on 91 octane, full weight, 20 psi.....and bolt on to bolt on was faster then a 20g, 50 or 60 trim....and over 120 on race gas.

60-1 have trapped 144 MPH, no nitrous. They will be faster then a 50 or 60 trim at any boost level....just like a 60 trim, tuning for tuning, beat a 50 trim.

Or should the people with honda's makeing 500 wheel hp at 18 PSI on 60-1's change to 50 trims....maybe someone should tell them!

your post just confirmed what everyone told you.. you trapped 112 on pump with a 60-1,with a properly tuned 20g on pump you would trap nearly 120 maybe more. do a little research will you.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

I never claimed it was properly tuned, but a full weight 20g powered awd car is never going to trap 120 on 91 octane with a stock engine and safc tuned 550's. No way, no how. I have used both, back to back, the 60-1 was faster by about 3 mph on pump and 6-7 on race gas....

Look at what all the Red, BR57 and real 60-1 cars do on pump properly tuned, they ####ing own 20g's and 50 trim's....and lok outsie of dsm's into communitys where 18 psi is a ton....they use 60-1 and still make 100 more whp

 

[13secGST]

Originally posted by ItsStockOfficer
I never claimed it was properly tuned, but a full weight 20g powered awd car is never going to trap 120 on 91 octane with a stock engine and safc tuned 550's. No way, no how. I have used both, back to back, the 60-1 was faster by about 3 mph on pump and 6-7 on race gas....

Look at what all the Red, BR57 and real 60-1 cars do on pump properly tuned, they ####ing own 20g's and 50 trim's....and lok outsie of dsm's into communitys where 18 psi is a ton....they use 60-1 and still make 100 more whp

Ok bro...you will not make much more HP with a 60-1 than you would with a 50trim at lower, street, boost levels...like 18-20psi and on pump gas. You right about one thing...there is a lot in the tuning...but what you don't seem to understand, is that a 50trim is a MUCH easier turbo to tune as a street turbo and make a lot of power doing it...a 60-1 is a HUGE turbo and not a street turbo really at all, if you are running race gas with it and only running 18psi...sure you will make more than a 50 trim would on race gas at 18psi...but that is race gas...not pump gas. Tuning on the two is as different as tuning a 16g and tuning a xxTrim. Race gas allows for that much more timing and that much more boost and that much less knock. The 60-1 is made to be a high boost, high hp, high octane turbo. Why the Honda guys use it...well, they are using race gas, they are using standalone computers, and for them, they are running high boost...would it be benifical for them to switch to 50trims...no, but I don't think it would be the HUGEST power difference...they would still be in the 400's probably close to 450's they just wanted that extra bit of airflow

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

a 60-1 flows more air at significantly slower shaft speeds allowing far more timing at low boost levels.

Heres a compressor map, made using a 60-1 compressor housing.

http://64.225.76.178/catalog/compmaps/Fig9.gif

Note that 1.00 represent atmopheric pressure, not 14.7 psi, so 2.0 is 14 psi. Also not that 1 lb/minute is about 11 hp potential, so according to that graph, a 60-1 at 10 psi is good for 440 horsepower in the MIDDLE of it highest effciency island. (drops out of peak effciency above 14 psi)That map is not labeled but thats about 78%. of course our engines are not capable of flowing 40 lb/minute at 12 psi so we have to change the compressor cover to soemthing like the TO4E, which will shift the Island upwards and make the turbo more effcient at higgher boost levels. But afterwards it still is very gopod at 16+ psi.

On any gas. On pump gas a 60-1 will be much faster because its colder air and probably more exhaust flow if its an all around larger turbo.

 

[Mike 99GSX]

I trapped 117 on a stock 2g motor except for 264/272 cams at 22 PSI on pump gas with a 50 trim. My car is/was tuned well. I think alot of your negativety to the 50 trim is because everybody and their mother is buying one. When that happens, lots of stupid people are going to dilute the performance potential of the turbo because you're going to see tons of posts about how they only trapped 108 and/or are running low 13s still. The reason you saw great times out of 20gs 5 years ago was because only the hardcore racers who really cared about tuning were running them. Now a 20g is considered too small for most and everyone is running out and getting a big turbo when they're usually not ready for it. 95% of people on this board should not be running a turbo bigger than a 50 trim.(95% might be pushing it ) A 50 trim type turbo is going to give almost everyone here way more turbo than they'll ever need and plenty of driveability. A 60-1 is not going to beat a 50 trim turbo at 20 PSI on pump gas. 25+PSI on C16 would be a different story though

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

My current turbo is a pte 50 trim...its my favorite compressor wheel for a car that will ever see a road course. For a street strip warrior, i like the 60 trim.

My old turbo was a 60-1, before that it was a tdo6 20G, before that it was a 16g....The 60-1 makes more power both in theory and in practice on an engine, from 5 psi to 30, as long as your not surging. Look at the compressor maps, then check the numbers...remember the br57 is a 60-1 compressor, so the red....look at what people have done at 18-22 psi and pump gas on them.

 

[Groomz]

I think the T88H turbo is the best for the street. Get some 199 octane race gas/space fuel and maybe some sort of nitrous/propane injection with a bottle for each cylinder intake runner.



Were not talking which is better for the track, its about which is better for the street. The 50 trim turbos are well known for being all you ( yes you ) need for street boost levels and power. Yes, the 60-1 is bigger, therefore it makes more power. Not much argument there. Unless you want to argue that a huge slow spooling turbo is better for the street.

 

[11secDSM]

Originally posted by Groomz
Unless you want to argue that a huge slow spooling turbo is better for the street.

...you obviously know nothing about the 60-1. By stating what LOOKS to be ovious you think you are right. Like I stated in my post a LONG time ago, the 60-1 is not for everyone. But it is by no means NOT a streetable turbo. I have been running the PTE 60-1 for 2 months now and have been very happy that I went with it. It does NOT have crazy lag like everyone says it has...obviously it will have a little more than a 50 trim but that is to be expected. I run it on 94 octane gas running at around 21 psi on the street. With the correct tuning it will do exactly what you want it too. It is an awesome turbo for a street/strip setup. Like I said...to each his own. Let's just leave it at that... By the way...I am by no means saying a 50 trim is a bad turbo...it's all about what YOU are looking to get out of a turbo that will decide which one to go with.

 

[11secDSM]

Originally posted by jdmawd
How about a 52 lb/min ball bearing GT37

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...now that's frikkin HUGE!! ..i'll take a GT35R though

 

[jdmawd]

How about a 52 lb/min ball bearing GT37

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