Webcams

[90GSX]

I know this subject has been beaten into the ground in the past, but I would like some opinions on Webcams (Street Grind), backed up with personal examples or evidence, good or bad.

 

[GST4U2NV]

i have them, along with all my friends, one friend made 460whp with them

 

[xleRateGSX]

The only thing to keep in mind with webcams is that their first "batch" of cams actually crumbled under driving conditions. If you order them then call web with the production number and verify if it is from that batch. If not then they are all good and I would recommend them over crower or HKS.

 

[G-Ell]

So far, so good. Pulled the Valve Cover off to retourque the headstuds and they looked perfect (1000miles).

Good highend power, decent idel. Still using the stock valves, retainers...

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by 90GSX
I know this subject has been beaten into the ground in the past, but I would like some opinions on Webcams (Street Grind), backed up with personal examples or evidence, good or bad.

i asked the same question as you about using a larger intake cam than exhaust cam. and the response i got was a larger intake cam is better for performance, but bad for idle. thats why i went with the hks 264/272

 

[swordfish]

I wouldnt recommend anything other than HKS cams. I have seen all kinds of problems with the webs. From them wearing out to being ground on the wrong base circle. I really have no reason to not like crower except that they didnt take the time to mark the DSM cam gears (Adv/Rtd) in the right direction so that makes me wonder how much effort they actually put into their cams.

jeff

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
If not then they are all good and I would recommend them over crower or HKS.

Other than personal opinion, what evidence do you have to back up this statement? Could it be all the Web cammed cars running faster than HKS or Crower cars? No, it couldn't be that...

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

You get what you pay for. How many people have had problems with webcams vs problems with HKS cams. That's what sold me on HKS noone ever posts about how the suck.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by MuttedTSiAWD
You get what you pay for. How many people have had problems with webcams vs problems with HKS cams. That's what sold me on HKS noone ever posts about how the suck.

thats true , to be honest the only reason i got the hks. is because they were in the display case at extreme. everywhere else had no idea how log it would take to get me a set. extreme had what would seem like a skid of hks cams all grinds in stock on shipping no waiting cash and carry

 

[BatmanGSX]

I got Crower Stage IIs. I haven't even used them but I would trade them instantly for HKS. I'll try them out though.

HKS is the way to go for cams.

 

[Black95GSX]

I got a set of web cams from a friend, brand new in box (a new batch, not the old batch).

I love them so far, with a 2g (unported) intake manifold, and an otherwise bone stock block... the car went 119mph


If I had the money, of corse I would of gone with the HKS cams. But money is/was tight, so I went with web.

The problem a lot of people say they have (other then falling apart) is that they are not degreed properly.

If someone wanted to, and had adjustable cam gears you could degree the cams properly..... from what I've been told it takes a few special tools and about a days worth of labor to get everything right. (Kevin - Z1500 could elaborate if needed i'm sure)

 

[G-Ell]

Originally posted by Black95GSX
If someone wanted to, and had adjustable cam gears you could degree the cams properly..... from what I've been told it takes a few special tools and about a days worth of labor to get everything right. (Kevin - Z1500 could elaborate if needed i'm sure)

Please do. {curious}

 

[candela]

Yes please do...

 

[swordfish]

You'll need a degree wheel Degree wheel
A dial indicator and the cam spec sheet.

I always base TDC from the dial indicator and start from there. The figure out a way to mount the dial indicator so that it rides along the camshft as it turns. This way you can judge the highest lift and lowest point on the cam when totally closed. Then it's a lot of cussing and kicking and screaming. Pic is from Mark Hesslers site. I

jeff

 

[NDgsx]

You should take measurements off of the retainer. You need to put in solid lash adjusters (www.crco.com or www.bjscylinderhead.com or talk to Kevin). You need a degree wheel, summit sells a 7" one now that fits nicely in the front case.

 

[~97TalonTSi~]

I have webs. They've been in for about 5000 miles. So far no problems other than some idle adjustments. But I like the way a car sounds when it "cams". The power increase is noticeable even without a torque converter (auto) although the power does come in more at the top end, the car pulls like crazy 5-7 grand...but that's the nature of bigger cams. I would recomend the webs but I won't knock any other company because I have no experience with them. Good luck with your choice.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by swordfish
You'll need a degree wheel Degree wheel
A dial indicator and the cam spec sheet.

I always base TDC from the dial indicator and start from there. The figure out a way to mount the dial indicator so that it rides along the camshft as it turns. This way you can judge the highest lift and lowest point on the cam when totally closed. Then it's a lot of cussing and kicking and screaming. Pic is from Mark Hesslers site. I

jeff

that's just WAY to much for an average backyard mechanic like 90% of us to do. i would just wait and save the money to get the hks cams. what you are talking about has to cost a fortune if you don't do it yourself i like to work on my car but not that much most dsm/performance shops charge $80-85 an hour for labor. so if one cant do it their self you will most likely pay out the difference of the cost for the hks cams in labor

 

[swordfish]

Buying the HKS cams doesnt automatically mean that you or whoever installs them for you are going to get them degreed properly if the right instruments are not used. This is especially important when either the head or block have been decked or you are using a different headgasket (i.e. HKS 1.0mm, 1.2mm or 1.5mm). I have the HKS cams and I (BJ and I) still went through this process in order to make sure everything was in proper order.

I have helped some friends do there cars as well and you would not believe some of the things I've seen and heard. Example. HKS 264's that lope. WTF . That was a good example of how not to install cams and cam gears. Another example. Web cams that have no top end. WTF. Webs are all about top end when installed properly. But Just by looking (eyeballing) both of these cars everything seemed in order. The instruments tell a different story and now the cars do to.


jeff

 

[NDgsx]

Originally posted by jdmawd


that's just WAY to much for an average backyard mechanic like 90% of us to do. i would just wait and save the money to get the hks cams. what you are talking about has to cost a fortune if you don't do it yourself i like to work on my car but not that much most dsm/performance shops charge $80-85 an hour for labor. so if one cant do it their self you will most likely pay out the difference of the cost for the hks cams in labor

Tools cost about $125 total. It's not that hard at all. There are a wide number of books and videos on how to do it out there.

 

[980VR41k]

You can head to web-cam's web sight www.webcamshafts.com, they have a section on how to degree your cams and also sell a kit (bit expensive at $255). You gota give web-cams some credit, they've been grinding cams longer than HKS has been around, 50 years (hope I don't eat that and find out HKS has been around longer that 50 years). My friend has a pair and is happy with them, he stated that he will be purchasing another set for a second motor that he's putting together.

What would really end this whole discussion is if someone with a dyno.. cough... AMS, would help out the community and take the time to do a basic test on all three main cam suppliers, HKS, Crower and Web on the same test car. Take a equivalent grind from all three and see which one pumps out more ponies, torque too. You could then evaluate which set of cams are for you based on performance and price.


Jason