What is the biggest Mitsu...

[Happy]

direct replacement turbo the 18g?? i want big but dont want the hassel of ####in round with the manifold and external wastegates and shit!! Th e guy that will be building my 2.4 said i will need a 50 trim at least!! SO is there anything else that will bolt right up out there or no??

 

[TwoLiterV8Eater]

Why are you getting a 2.4 if you don't want to get the other things that naturally go with it, like bigger turbos? And so you know, they do make 50 trims that bolt right up to your stock manifold and 02 housing. Look into PTE turbos if that is what you want.

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

the biggest mitsu turbo is the 25g, but i wouldnt recomend trying to drive around on the street with it, even with a 4g64 it would probally need n2o to spoil, the biggest streetable turbo is a 20g

and realisticly, u can put ur stock 14b on a 2.4L, dont let anyone tell u otherwise, if u dont want to get a new manifold and switch to an external gate then there is no sense in wasting your time upgrading your turbo, 1g manifolds are crappy and crack very easliy, if you just slap a 20g or 50 trim turbo on it u will most likely crack it and have to buy a new manifold anyway, but at a much less convient time

even if you wanted to upgrade to a mitsu 20g you would need a ported 2g or evo 3 manifold, an external gate if u wanted it to run without lots of creep, and all the other supporting mods just like with any other turbo

dont waste your time doing things half assed, u will only end up breaking things and having to buy the same parts u didnt want to get, but instead of just cursing about buying it and installing the parts u will end up towing your car home and waiting on the parts to fix it

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

what, u think 1g manifolds dont crack easliy? why do u think so many people are running 2g manifolds on their 1g's, most upgraded to a 2g exhaust mani because their stock one cracked? slap an upgraded turbo on a stock 13 year old 1g manifold and the added heat is going to crack it, and the car wolnt run with a cracked exhaust manifold
i have seen plenty of people buy a 90-91 turbo dsm, and turn the boost up without even thinking to check the condition of the exhaust manifold, then it cracks from the heat and the car doesnt run, a bigger turbo will only make things worse

all im saying is that if your going with a serious set up like the 2.4 then u might as well do everything right the first time, instead of realizing ur mistakes after u make them, just put ur 14b on it for now and save up for a whole turbo set up, its not like the car wolnt run with a 14b on a 2.4

my car is a 93, and it is on its second 1g exhaust manifold(i dont see y the previous owner didnt upgrade to a 2g mani when it cracked), the topic creators stock 91 manifold is even older and will crack even more easily

 

[98eclipseRS]

Originally posted by Spidey
Cirus, seriously man, where do you come up with this stuff?

everything cirus said in this thread seemed to be right ot me. My car is on its second exhuast mani and the original owner replaced it cause it cracked from him commuting to work(car was bone stock). Plus like cirus said i am a big fan of doing it right the first time. I went the cheap route once and ended up spending way to much money cause i had to go out and buy the right parts plus all the parts that i broke too.

 

[TwoLiterV8Eater]

People upgrade to the 2g manifold because it flows more. I have never seen a 1g manifold crack to the point where it wasnt useable. Not that it never happens, I just don't think its as big of an issue as you make it out to be.

 

[loreak]

1g manifolds do crack easily, usually not to the point where its unusable, they get alot of surface fractures that dont leak any exhaust but look nasty. The main reason people upgrade to a 2g is the fact that they are bigger, and its a nice bonus that they dont really crack often.

AGP, and Forcedperformance make turbos that bolt up to stock manifold and are internally gated that would beat an 18g to the ground, FP Green/Red, either would work well on a 2.4, a green is a 50 trim and the red is larger. AGP makes a bunch of turbos, im not as familiar with them but they bolt up and make very large internally gated turbo's. You are only going to creep if you are trying to run lower boost on a large turbo with a small internal gate, most people run 18-20psi at least which even a somewhat small internal gate can handle. All large turbo's you will buy that are internally gated are going to have a 34mm flapper or maybe even 39mm, which with a good o2 housing and exhaust will not creep

 

[Happy]

So i can use my 16g for now and then get a bigger turbo and u all sugest goin external wastegate??
As well what is the best turbo for the buck on the market and you have to get a manifold make up for that trubo as well what are the external wastegates worth?? And is there a big one or a samll one or all the same???? Thanks!!!!

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

u will have to do some research yourself on that., different turbos work best with different size wastegates, i hear good things about the 20g and tial 38mm combo, but it really depends on what turbo you choose

find a turbo u feel u want and look for a good deal on it, after u decide on a turbo talk to the manufacturer of it and ask them what size wastegate will work best on your set up, or ask some others on here who have similar set ups with the same turbo as you decide on
with some turbos u can get away with running an internal gate without lots of creep if u get a larger flapper and port the turbo out, but again, ask the manufacturer and others what that turbo what they recomend

 

[GSXTCY]

Lets stay on topic and end the teadious chat room bs. I edited some of the waste. Now back to the initial topic at hand.