Low 13's - Keep the 14b or 16g?

[Nabyar]

With the current mods I have now (plus 550's), I want a street driven car that can run low 13's. Reminder that this is a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CAR. And before you start bashing and telling me to get an AWD, I want the challenge.

So, what will get me there easier? ~$300 dollars for 550's, mild tuning, and the stock 14b? (With of course some practicing in my launching and some better tires, my potenza RE950's are going on soon.)

Or

Keep that $300 dollars toward a ported small 16g, and do some mild tuning with some decent driving?

Looking to also run this on 92 octane pump gas.

 

[Spidey]

You can go either way man, obviously the small 16g is going to make more power in the long run, but I think you could probably net low 13s with good tuning, injectors, and drag radials(hell maybe even just some decent tires) on the 14b.

HTH,
Spidey

 

[candela]

Stick with the 14B... Its just to cool of a little turbo to get rid of for those goals. I did a few runs while I was breaking in my motor with an completely stock unported/cracked up turbine housing 14B and did a best of 13.0@106 on 16psi. This was with a high 1.8 60ft which any FWD shoudl be able to do with GOOD tires....

I wouldnt even consider getting bigger injectors either. Put it towards somethign else first!

 

[Nabyar]

Candela, you always have good responses, hehe.

So what should it go towards? Ported 2g mani/o2 housing?

 

[Gooberlog]

Originally posted by candela
Stick with the 14B... Its just to cool of a little turbo to get rid of for those goals. I did a few runs while I was breaking in my motor with an completely stock unported/cracked up turbine housing 14B and did a best of 13.0@106 on 16psi. This was with a high 1.8 60ft which any FWD shoudl be able to do with GOOD tires....

I wouldnt even consider getting bigger injectors either. Put it towards somethign else first!

Concidering my awd friends get nice 60foot times of 1.69-1.75 i would concider 1.8 60ft. times in a FWD car a little unrealistic, i guess it'd be possible but i wouldn't expect that every run. I'd be impressed that's for sure.
Gooberlog

 

[pneumo]

You will have a challenge getting either turbo into the low 13's with only 92 octane.
You will need an AFC if you get injectors, so the price is more like $550.
My advice is to do the full supporting mods of the exhaust, intake, and porting the turbo, O2, and ex manifold.

 

[candela]

Well I see in your profile you say you have 550's on the way... I wouldnt recommend getting them.
Trust me on this, a 14b with some nice porting will spool nicely and definetly get you 13's with what you have. i would be very surprised if with the mods in your profile you couldnt do a 13. And besides if you cant drive just keep practicing and you will get it, you will definetly have the traps to get there and just cause you dont run a 13 doesnt mean the car isnt capable of it or isnt making the power to...

In a FWD with GOOD tires 1.8's-1.9's should be pretty easy as long as you practice. Id leave the injectors in so you wont need an afc or anything. Id consider getting a 2G manifold/o2 housing (could find them for 150$ or so) and port the shite out of both, port the turbine inlet to match perfectly. Then when your done and happy that your car is running 13's (or is capable of it with better driving) ue the other money for a nice night out with the women, get some nice 6 pack of moosehead and then pay your cell phone bill...

 

[greyforestgst]

Originally posted by candela


In a FWD with GOOD tires 1.8's-1.9's should be pretty easy as long as you practice.

impossible

 

[candela]

now why would you go and say something like that? What kind of times do you think fast fwd's get? You think they all get 2.2's like the rest of the bunch that doesnt know how to launch?....NO!

I have run mulitiple 1.8's in my friends Big16g equipped Gs-t with Nitto NT555R's and it wasnt hard for me and I didnt even own the damn car. I used to run 1.8's in my civic before I got rid of it, my friends VW, all my friends FWD cars basically. Im giving true examples of how for me this wasn't to hard as long as the car is settup right and you can take advantage. To many of you FWD's think that its jus tto hard, or you are at such a disadvantage or all you get is wheel spin (boo hoo)!

Practice will make everything! Trust me and go to the track once a week (I used to go every week for at leist a year and that how I learned) and your times will imprve sooooo much you wont beleive how when you started you just didnt understand your car that good and thought it was "impossible" to run sub 2.0 60ft's in your almighty powerful FWD...

 

[herostar]

if the only things in your profile you don't have are the injectors, then wait on them. You should be pretty close to 13's already if your mod list is correct. I'd do what everyone else is saying. Get a 2g manifold and a 2g o2 housing. Port them both, and your turbo as well. Doing them all at the same time will save you the hastle of taking stuff off more than once, and having to buy gaskets again. With that, good tires, and boost at about 16psi you should be in the 13's no problem.

 

[Gooberlog]

Candela,
you must be a good driver, id like to see you with some of that fwd action at the track, i always see Gst's smoke them through second .
Gooberlog

 

[Nabyar]

550's were my next mod, but I still was unsure, thats why I made this post. (And I also do have an SAFC sitting right next to me uninstalled. )

Ok, so scratch the 550's. Ported 2g mani/02 housing, and should I throw in a UICP just because?

Btw, will potenza re950's hook up well? They rate a 9.1 in dry traction on www.tirerack.com -- I haven't really got a chance to test a launch on them since they were just mounted yesterday.

 

[Zerocygnal]

FWD aren't all that bad. You lose alot less power through the drivetrain. Granted the AWD is more efficient at applying the power to the ground, but some of it is lost in the translation.

 

[herostar]

an UIP will deffinately help, and for the record, you don't lose all that much power through the awd system. it only makes a little difference once you're up past freeway speeds that a fwd will pick up a little bit faster. For me: awd traction>burnouts & highway pickup

 

[tallywacker]

if your spinning tires in second gear your not driving the fwd correctly. some ppl think the harder and qiucker they get on the gas the faster they will be. if all your doing is spinning tires you must have a money to burn and dont care about learning to slip the clutch correctly. if your doing things right all you should have is a small amount of spin in your 1st gear launch and thats it.

 

[DeezNutsForYou]

Maybe if you've got a fwd with a 20g or something. Every fwd I've ever seen spins the shit out of their tires, unless they have slicks.

 

[mxracer]

I would probably think about getting some lightweight rims; like 10#'s and get some stiffer rear springs.

Does anyone know if they make traction bars for us dsm guys?
I know they can do wonders for honda's
Here's a link if you don't know what i mean
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=438526