Instructions for the Super ITC???

[Phoenyx]

All:

Does anyone have english instructions on how to install the Super ITC???


-M

 

[Phoenyx]

Am I to believe that in the whole 1G population, noone had ever invested in the Super ITC??? How do you guys properly tune your cars if you have no timing control???

-M

 

[autronicDSM]

You're of unsurpassed excellence and you don't know how to install S-ITC?

I don't have a 1G nor SITC but in case you wonder how you tune your car properly...well ECU takes care of timing for you. You just play with SAFC for least knock and most timing.

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
You're of unsurpassed excellence and you don't know how to install S-ITC?

I don't have a 1G nor SITC but in case you wonder how you tune your car properly...well ECU takes care of timing for you. You just play with SAFC for least knock and most timing.

! If it was that easy, they wouldn't make standalone ECUs!! Your stock ECU can control timing but only but so much. My car happens to be too advanced at certain rpms. There is no solution to this except to offset the timing. Or remap the ECU, or get a standalone.

There - Lesson 1: A properly tuned car needs *both* timing and fuel control!

-M

 

[LandoAWD]

Originally posted by Phoenyx
Am I to believe that in the whole 1G population, noone had ever invested in the Super ITC??? How do you guys properly tune your cars if you have no timing control???

-M

Don't be a smartass and bump your thread by calling people out.....if people have used it, they will answer.

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by LandoAWD


Don't be a smartass and bump your thread by calling people out.....if people have used it, they will answer.

Yea, you're right. Sorry.

-M

 

[autronicDSM]

Originally posted by Phoenyx


! If it was that easy, they wouldn't make standalone ECUs!! Your stock ECU can control timing but only but so much. My car happens to be too advanced at certain rpms. There is no solution to this except to offset the timing. Or remap the ECU, or get a standalone.

There - Lesson 1: A properly tuned car needs *both* timing and fuel control!

-M

HAHA what makes you think your timing is too advanced? Reason they have standalones because OEM ECUs are conservative and they have preset maps for stock car. You change your CR, cams, or anything else internal that makes power and ECU is not aware of that.

If all you want to do is offset your timing you can do it by rotating CAS.

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM


HAHA what makes you think your timing is too advanced? Reason they have standalones because OEM ECUs are conservative and they have preset maps for stock car. You change your CR, cams, or anything else internal that makes power and ECU is not aware of that.

If all you want to do is offset your timing you can do it by rotating CAS.

Datalogging an rpm pull shows me that my timing is too advanced (along with knock even though i have a good a/f ratio).

Since timing is using maps, they are configured from the factory for a constant boost pressure (well below the specified allowance by the computer), and volume of air. When altering the boost or volume of intake air (bigger turbo), timing will also need to be adjusted along with fuel. It's a rule of thumb in tuning.

Btw, rotating your CAS will only allow a constant to be introduced into the timing maps. For example, if my timing is at 19 degrees on WOT and I want it to be 17 degrees to stop knock, I could do that, but if I wanted a little advance early on in the rpm range, I wouldn't be able to do that because turning the CAS offsets the whole timing curve and not just certain points on the timing curve (which the ITC will allow).



-M

 

[autronicDSM]

Thanks for the lesson in tuning Let me rephrase the question then, how much timing do you see and what knock count. ECU pulls timing like a mofo when you flow too much air or you knock. Show us some numbers 'cuase I'm starting to think this is another thread of yours like one about major weakness in 4g63

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
Thanks for the lesson in tuning Let me rephrase the question then, how much timing do you see and what knock count. ECU pulls timing like a mofo when you flow too much air or you knock. Show us some numbers 'cuase I'm starting to think this is another thread of yours like one about major weakness in 4g63

How can you mistaken this thread as that? All I'm asking for is instructions in english to installing the ITC.

I just ordered a datalogger for myself so I'll have more numbers soon. But in the meantime, I've used a friends datalogger and did a idle run to 7k and the car knocked at about 5600rpms and the timing peaked at upwards of 44 degrees advance! When the car was tuned at Vishnu, he told me he couldn't increase my boost anymore because the timing was too advanced and was extremely knock prone. Fuel delivery wasn't an issue. The ideal situation is to retard timing in the rpm band where the car is prone to knock so that the computer doesn't pull timing. This will yield the optimal amount of HP from each and every mod done to the car...which most people don't realize (unless they are running race gas - then it doesn't matter what the timing is).

-M

 

[autronicDSM]

Uhhh was that 44 degrees at 5600rpm or idle?

 

[autronicDSM]

You're so damn wrong on timing. Too much or too little timing even with race gas is no good. You want your timing so you get peak torque all across rpm range. Are you sure you CAS is working properly? Maybe ecu sees something different.

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
Uhhh was that 44 degrees at 5600rpm or idle?

I believe it was around 3200rpms to 4500rpms.. I'm not sure. Newlogics has the log and will be uploading it to me soon..

My own datalogger should be here this week along with the ITC, so I'll be puttting it in and throwing it on the dyno again for an optimal tune session. I'm shooting for 17psi on cheap 91 octane. We'll see if I can take away the knock..


-M

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
You're so damn wrong on timing. Too much or too little timing even with race gas is no good. You want your timing so you get peak torque all across rpm range. Are you sure you CAS is working properly? Maybe ecu sees something different.

Heheheh, obviously too little timing will resort in a laggy car. But pure race gas that is able to eliminate detonation and preignition will be the deciding factor in the performance of the car. Obviously if its *too* advanced then it won't be good either since your whole power cycle will be off.

I made that comment with the assumption that I was only talking about a few degrees variation - not a significant amount.

Why are you trying to turn this into an argument?

-M

 

[autronicDSM]

17 psi on stock turbo, SMIC and 91 gas?

Tell you what, YOU datalog your car and not some one else and post the f'n numbers here instead of "oh i think it was around xxx at 3600-4500". FYI, I never saw more than 38-40 degrees at idle and around 26 by 6000rpm when my car was stock.

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
17 psi on stock turbo, SMIC and 91 gas?

Tell you what, YOU datalog your car and not some one else and post the f'n numbers here instead of "oh i think it was around xxx at 3600-4500". FYI, I never saw more than 38-40 degrees at idle and around 26 by 6000rpm when my car was stock.

I will. FYI, 26 in the upper rpms is a bit high..I've seen 19s.

-M

 

[autronicDSM]

Right I forgot engineers went crazy with timing on our cars.

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
Right I forgot engineers went crazy with timing on our cars.

sorry that figure was for 2Gs, not 1Gs (which see 26-29).

-M

 

[autronicDSM]

which is exactly what I've said. I have a 95 and saw 26. Same as 1G according to you, but you just said you saw 19 max. What are you a troll?!?! You just gonna keep turning things around?

Tell you what, there's no way in hell your timing is too advanced. You're probbaly knocking so much that ECU can't pull enough timing so SITC won't help you in anything...good luck keeping your car from breaking. Elvis has left the building.

P.S. I saw a timing map for Lancer EVO group N rally car and at 7000 rpm under boost it was only runing 10 degrees. I was told that's when peak TQ occured.

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
which is exactly what I've said. I have a 95 and saw 26. Same as 1G according to you, but you just said you saw 19 max. What are you a troll?!?! You just gonna keep turning things around?

Tell you what, there's no way in hell your timing is too advanced. You're probbaly knocking so much that ECU can't pull enough timing so SITC won't help you in anything...good luck keeping your car from breaking. Elvis has left the building.

P.S. I saw a timing map for Lancer EVO group N rally car and at 7000 rpm under boost it was only runing 10 degrees. I was told that's when peak TQ occured.

Huh? What am I trolling - if I'm a troll? I'm not criticizing anything... I think YOU are the one trolling! All you had to do was answer my question with a "no, I don't have the ITC..." and leave it at that!

If you do a search here, you'll find that most 2Gs have timing logs of 19-21 degrees at the upper rpms. According to them, the timing is very conservative and could be advanced a little.

There are reasons for knock. If you eliminate most of the likely causes, then you are bound to come up with the main cause. I have enough fuel, so I'm checking timing...

Why don't you go to another thread to troll dude..

-M