Lifters cleaned: Wish I hadn't done it! (may it be a lesson)

[Newlogics]

Well, my lifter tick was getting so loud and abnoxious that it was setting my knock sensor off, 'causing my timing to be pulled to sh!t, thus making my car slow as a dog when tick comes on (which is random)

I read all about it on VFAQ and got to it.
I should tell you that it's pretty easy taking these things out without removing cams. 15 of them, I could easily take out with my fingers (after rocker arms have been pryed off). But the last one had to be a b1tch !

The 16th lifter was firmly stuck in there. I was only able to pull out the piston out of it, but the cylinder itself was wedged in the head, and there was nothing to grab it by. SUCKS!

Well I ended up pouring some jb-weld in it and inserting a big-ass screw. Once JBweld has cured, i was able to grab the screw and pull it out. That however, didn't end my problems.

I grabbed a replacement lifter (thanks to PSI shop), cleaned all remaining lifters and reassembled them. However, I didn't keep them in order, and reinstalled them regardles of their original places. BAD IDEA !

Car was knocking even louder! So I decide to just order a set of revised lifters from TopLine (1-888-855-9712), and proceed to remove my old lifters yet again. Well, 16th lifter wouldn't come out again! I repeat the same procedure with JBweld (destroying another lifter).

My new lifters are due to arrive tomorrow, and I truly hope it'll take care of the tick, and that my head isn't f*cked up because of that 16th lifter.

meanwhile, I'm riding my bike, hoping to get my car running before rains come

That is my story.

 

[ASZRAEL1266]

Thats weak man. I hope all goes well with the new lifters. When you said riding your bike do you mean as in motor bike or as regular bike?

 

[Newlogics]

Originally posted by ASZRAEL1266
Thats weak man. I hope all goes well with the new lifters. When you said riding your bike do you mean as in motor bike or as regular bike?

I ride Yamaha Virago.

As far as lifter go, I had a feeling that mine were beyond cleaning. With some of them, it took some effort to even push a paper-clip throuhg the oil squirter. I should've ordered revised lifter to begin with....

 

[Phoenyx]

Originally posted by Newlogics


I ride Yamaha Virago.

As far as lifter go, I had a feeling that mine were beyond cleaning. With some of them, it took some effort to even push a paper-clip throuhg the oil squirter. I should've ordered revised lifter to begin with....

How much are those lifters? Mine tick when the car is cold, but once it's warmed up it goes away..

-M

 

[ASZRAEL1266]

wow that is one old bike. I hope you had your shots from the rust that must be on it unless you have restored it or somthing. Those are nice bikes but I prefer GSXR's and hyubusha's that is what i would want to get if i ever got a bike. Let us know what happens with the new lifters.

 

[Newlogics]

Originally posted by ASZRAEL1266
wow that is one old bike. I hope you had your shots from the rust that must be on it unless you have restored it or somthing. Those are nice bikes but I prefer GSXR's and hyubusha's that is what i would want to get if i ever got a bike. Let us know what happens with the new lifters.

Old ?
By no means !
It's 96 with only 9K miles.

I do also have 82 Virago which I resored, but that one has a burned starter....

As far as lifters, they're $7.79 a piece. Cost me $150 with overnight delivery.

The phone # is in my original post.

 

[larryd]

Arent the 1st gen lifters the same as the 2nd gen. I know mine are all hydraulic so it wouldnt matter which valve you put it back on since they all adjust automatically.

 

[TRBOTSI]

Originally posted by ASZRAEL1266
hyubusha's

I didn't know there was a new bike out on the market? I personally like the Hayabusa.....

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by larryd
Arent the 1st gen lifters the same as the 2nd gen. I know mine are all hydraulic so it wouldnt matter which valve you put it back on since they all adjust automatically.

It's not the adjustment, it's the bore they've gotten used to running in. Motor stuff hates moving to a new house even more than the rest of us do.

 

[P8ntBalla]

did you soak the lifters in oil before you put them back in?

 

[Newlogics]

Originally posted by P8ntBalla
did you soak the lifters in oil before you put them back in?

Yeah, everything was done 'by the book', except putting them in original locations.
I removed valve cover, disconnected spark plugs and cranked the engine to see what's happpening to lifters.

Some of them didn't squirt oil far enough to reach the cam lobe. Some didn't even comress, and just sat there like a single-piece part.

 

[hostile]

I am not sure which way you did it but this is how one of the forced performance guys told me to do it.

Remove lifters and soak in diesel for a night.

Then compress the lifters ina vise and soak in 30wt oil.

Then compress the lifters again while in the oil and pump them "bleeding the lifters"

Then when I put mine in without putting them in a special order everything went fine.

I used new oil when I started it up so it wouldnt recontaminate them though.

 

[Newlogics]

Originally posted by hostile
I am not sure which way you did it but this is how one of the forced performance guys told me to do it.

Remove lifters and soak in diesel for a night.

Then compress the lifters ina vise and soak in 30wt oil.

Then compress the lifters again while in the oil and pump them "bleeding the lifters"

Then when I put mine in without putting them in a special order everything went fine.

I used new oil when I started it up so it wouldnt recontaminate them though.

Here's what I've done:
Took 'em out
Soaked in parts cleaner for a night
Pumped the cleaner out and pumped some brake flued through them.
Cleaned that out and pumped some fresh oil through them
Pumped the oil out and put lifters back in.

 

[JayHass]

Originally posted by Newlogics



Pumped the oil out and put lifters back in.

And there is your problem. If you let the car run above 1500rpm for a big they most likely would eventually pump up, but until then they will be VERY noisey. The lifters were dry and they are hydraulic so with no oil they can't take up the lash and go CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK...

As for messing up your head...as long as the lifter "sits" in the head "bucket" okay, that's all it really needs. The motion is done inside the lifter. No harm no foul.

 

[Newlogics]

Originally posted by JayHass


And there is your problem. If you let the car run above 1500rpm for a big they most likely would eventually pump up, but until then they will be VERY noisey. The lifters were dry and they are hydraulic so with no oil they can't take up the lash and go CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK...

As for messing up your head...as long as the lifter "sits" in the head "bucket" okay, that's all it really needs. The motion is done inside the lifter. No harm no foul.

I'm aware that lifters will be noisy when first started, however, I had car running for about 10 min, and was revving it lightly too. some lifters got a bit quiter, but several of the lifters still emmited distinct loud clicking.

As I said, when i cranked the engine without a valve cover, some lifters barely squirted an oil, and didn't dampen anything. They didn't move at all, even when vlave was being opened.

 

[JayHass]

Originally posted by Newlogics


I'm aware that lifters will be noisy when first started, however, I had car running for about 10 min, and was revving it lightly too. some lifters got a bit quiter, but several of the lifters still emmited distinct loud clicking.

As I said, when i cranked the engine without a valve cover, some lifters barely squirted an oil, and didn't dampen anything. They didn't move at all, even when vlave was being opened.

It can take 20-30 minutes of operation before they pump up, and even then they may not pump up at all. The reason they didn't move is they are collapsed.

You have to prime them before they are put in.

 

[Newlogics]

Originally posted by JayHass


It can take 20-30 minutes of operation before they pump up, and even then they may not pump up at all. The reason they didn't move is they are collapsed.

You have to prime them before they are put in.

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How can I prime 'em ?

A set of new, revised lifters should arive today, so I want to do the the right way the first time.

How is priming different then pumping oil through them ?

On VFAQ, they specifically asked to pump the oil out before re-installing the lifters, to avoid possible valve damage.

By the way, thanks for your input.

 

[jmc94gsx]

I am glad you mentioned about putting the lifters back into the original position. This is often overlooked and will cause premature failure.
I wasn't a victim, but I know somebody who did this to a relatively new set during the offseason, that was a relatively expensive mistake.

For now on when I take my head apart, all components are put back into the original position.

 

[JayHass]

Originally posted by Newlogics
.

How can I prime 'em ?

A set of new, revised lifters should arive today, so I want to do the the right way the first time.

How is priming different then pumping oil through them ?

On VFAQ, they specifically asked to pump the oil out before re-installing the lifters, to avoid possible valve damage.

By the way, thanks for your input.

Right, you don't want them totally pumped up when you put them in. A friend with his newly built motor didn't have enough compression to get his engine to fire...turns out the lifters were pumped up tight and pushing the valves open.

HOWEVER you can't put them in dry either. Just make sure there is *some* oil in them and you will have a much easier time.

They will still be noisey but they will pump up in 15-25 minutes of running.

 

[Newlogics]

Originally posted by JayHass


Right, you don't want them totally pumped up when you put them in. A friend with his newly built motor didn't have enough compression to get his engine to fire...turns out the lifters were pumped up tight and pushing the valves open.

HOWEVER you can't put them in dry either. Just make sure there is *some* oil in them and you will have a much easier time.

They will still be noisey but they will pump up in 15-25 minutes of running.

I think that's what I've done.
I pumped them up with oil, then drained excess oil and put oily (but empty) lifters back in. Well, hopefully my new lifter won't give me any issues.