Welcome to DSMtuners - The Talon, Laser, and Eclipse performance enthusiast resource

















Login



See All DSMtuners Supporting Vendors
Go Back   DSMtuners > DSM Forums > DSM Tech > Bolt-on Tech

Bolt-on Tech 4G63 intake, exhaust, intake manifold, ignition, fuel system, cooling, etc.

Reply  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-06-2009, 12:56 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #1 (permalink)
Proven Member
 
From: San Jose, California
Registered: Mar 2005
Tech Posts: 827
Classifieds Rating: 4
Reputation: 91-gsx is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Placing water injector before the BOV?

I was wondering if anybody here has experience with injecting water right at the intercooler outlet as opposed to the throttle body elbow? I was planning on putting my water injector at the intercooler outlet, but am not sure if I should because the BOV might allow some water into the inlet of the turbo when it opens between shifts because I am recirculating the BOV. Let me know what you think about this. Thanks for the help.

Reply With Quote
Advertisement



To browse the forums without the advertisements above, Login/Register
Old 11-06-2009, 02:46 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #2 (permalink)
DSMtuners Supporting Vendor
 
Road Race Engineering 

Sam@RRE's Avatar
From: Santa Fe Spring, California
Registered: Apr 2008
Tech Posts: 145
Classifieds Rating: 2
Reputation: Sam@RRE is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Why do you want to inject that far down? What are your goals.
Visit Sam@RRE's homepage! 

Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2009, 03:30 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #3 (permalink)
Proven Member
 
324vr4's Avatar
From: Bozeman, Montana
Registered: Mar 2008
Tech Posts: 104
Photos: 9
Classifieds Rating: 2
Reputation: 324vr4 is an unknown
makes no sense to inject there...Most water injection kits suggest installers to install the jets near or at the throttle body for optimal performance/efficiency. I would imagine if installed that far back before the BOV that you would get unwanted debris/detritus gumming up prior to the air entering your intake manifold...Read the directions and install the water kit accordingly...it's written that way for a reason...
View photos of this member's car 

Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2009, 04:12 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #4 (permalink)
Proven Member
 
From: San Jose, California
Registered: Mar 2005
Tech Posts: 827
Classifieds Rating: 4
Reputation: 91-gsx is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam@RRE View Post
Why do you want to inject that far down? What are your goals.
It will cool the air down more when you allow the water to have more time and distance to absorb the heat out of the air. My goal is to cool the air and parts down using water injection, not alcohols.

Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 02:40 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #5 (permalink)
Proven Member
 
From: Stormville, New York
Registered: Aug 2005
Tech Posts: 159
Photos: 3
Classifieds Rating: 1
Reputation: my98gsx is more helpful than not
Every brand ive ever talked to says the closer to the throttle body, the better...
View photos of this member's car 

Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 03:44 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #6 (permalink)
Proven Member
 
ec17pse's Avatar
From: hertforshire, Europe
Registered: Nov 2008
Tech Posts: 96
Classifieds Rating: 0
Reputation: ec17pse is an unknown
Quote:
Originally Posted by 91-gsx View Post
It will cool the air down more when you allow the water to have more time and distance to absorb the heat out of the air. My goal is to cool the air and parts down using water injection, not alcohols.
You have pretty much just said what is wrong! It will absorb the heat and then the water is hot and will make hardly any difference what so ever! The reason for W/I is so you spray cold water to help cool the combustion chamber down if you put hot water in it you will heat soak it and will not mix with the air very good! Thus actually making less power then putting the nozzel closer to the TB! You can run 2 nozzels if you have smaller jets I've seen it done on a few cars but not by the IC exit! So if you wanted I guess you could put 1 there and then 1 by the TB and I'm assuming that would help with the temp and you would be using the same amount of water as 2 smaller jets flow the same W/flow as the 1 bigger jet!

I personaly think its a bad idea these companys don't spend thousands on R&D for nothing and always is the most optimal place for it! But you could try it and see what you come up with! Just make sure you never run a blow thru mas as water on that will screw it up big time!

Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 01:57 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #7 (permalink)
Proven Member
 
From: San Jose, California
Registered: Mar 2005
Tech Posts: 827
Classifieds Rating: 4
Reputation: 91-gsx is pretty helpful and trustworthy
Quote:
Originally Posted by ec17pse View Post
You have pretty much just said what is wrong! It will absorb the heat and then the water is hot and will make hardly any difference what so ever! The reason for W/I is so you spray cold water to help cool the combustion chamber down if you put hot water in it you will heat soak it and will not mix with the air very good! Thus actually making less power then putting the nozzel closer to the TB! You can run 2 nozzels if you have smaller jets I've seen it done on a few cars but not by the IC exit! So if you wanted I guess you could put 1 there and then 1 by the TB and I'm assuming that would help with the temp and you would be using the same amount of water as 2 smaller jets flow the same W/flow as the 1 bigger jet!

I personaly think its a bad idea these companies don't spend thousands on R&D for nothing and always is the most optimal place for it! But you could try it and see what you come up with! Just make sure you never run a blow thru mas as water on that will screw it up big time!
Quote:
Originally Posted by 324vr4 View Post
makes no sense to inject there...Most water injection kits suggest installers to install the jets near or at the throttle body for optimal performance/efficiency. I would imagine if installed that far back before the BOV that you would get unwanted debris/detritus gumming up prior to the air entering your intake manifold...Read the directions and install the water kit accordingly...it's written that way for a reason...

Maybe you should educate yourself on what water injection really does. Do not comment on these threads in your manner until you have done so. You have pretty much said what is wrong!

I think it is rather funny that I chose not to comment on this thread after I got these types of answers. Not one person that has answered, has mounted the injector at the intercooler outlet. Yet, everybody felt compelled to put it down with bullshit. LIKE YOU JUST WENT OUT AND READ ABOUT WATER INJECTION AND THE R & D... Your right R & D is very important, and the conclusions that they reached were very interesting. Now go and LEARN what those are.

I asked for an opinion, and by opinion, I meant an educated one.

I have a Devil's Own Water Injection Kit. Here is a picture of all the places Devil's Own and other Water injection companies use to show you all the different locations you can mount the water injection. Do you see what I mean by asking all you preachers for your REAL WORLD opinion...

Where to locate your alcohol-water injection nozzle
That is a link to that exact web page. Read it. It tells you why to use one area over another for your particular application.

Directly from the alcohol-injection web page above:
"3 Post Intercooler

Most computer controlled engines have an intake air temperature (IAT) sensor. This sensor monitors the temperature of the air going into the motor. The reason for putting it before the IAT sensor is because it will see the cooler temps and the engine will advance timing, allowing for more power. Also placing the injection nozzle as far from the cylinders/air intake sensor as possible, it allows for the water/methanol mixture to be better absorbed into the intake air charge. This allows for great distribution to each cylinder. This post intercooler nozzle location should be the primary nozzle location to be considered for most users.

In theory, since the air charge will be mixed for a longer distance, and therefore time, allowing for the moisture to be absorbed by the air, creating the coolest possible air charge going into the cylinders. Water/methanol molecules from a nozzle located here have more time to be absorbed by the intake charge exiting the IC before making it into the combustion chamber."
Attached Images
 

Last edited by 91-gsx; 11-10-2009 at 11:31 PM.

Reply With Quote
Reply


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

 

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
venting bov by placing maf near throttle body Boarderboy1316 Newbie Thread Graveyard 4 08-14-2007 02:41 PM
Placing injectors in the intake charge pipe? Precision Tuning & Engine Management 4 03-09-2007 10:47 PM
Injector Hole...water? UPGRADED2G Cylinder Head & Short Block 5 02-06-2006 04:02 AM
ad placing... question xchris18x Newbie Forum 1 11-22-2004 06:40 AM

» 2010 DSM Calendars
» DSM Mechanics Gloves
» Recent Blog Entries
Update 4
by: Kevin TSI

Engine shots
by: Spdfreak

Best DEAL ever *Update*
by: 4Motion4g63

2.4 Liter G4CS build thread
by: Atuca

Possibly buying a new 1G
by: booostedGSX
» Recent Tech Threads
Title, Username, & Date
Last hope for my GSX
by: Srt4RacerDave
Car pulls more at 10psi than 14psi
by: carcrazy144
electrical help
by: Kyle_T
92 gsx feels like fuel cut about 5.5K
by: 95twinturboawd
really need help, weird shifting problems!
by: cardot33
» Latest Gallery Photo
User quakeroats11
» Advertisement
» Current Poll
What will you be buying soon?
DSM Calendar - 36.84%
7 Votes
15 Votes
5 Votes
Total Votes: 19
You may not vote on this poll.
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:23 AM.

DSM Forums | Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky Forums

© 2009 SPEEDtuners Network, LLC All Rights Reserved

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.3.1