Venom or Walbro

[mitsu29]

Ok guys im getting to the point with my setup that I'm heading into "uncharted" territory for my knowledge on the car. Ok with my current setup I know I'm gonna need the following items: Fuel Injectors, Fuel Pump, Boost Controller and a Fuel Management System.

I'm gonna for for the E-Manage and Profec B Spec 2 Boost Controller, so thats out the way. But heres where i need a bit of help.

My car is a daily driver so after these mods and then the tuning im pretty much done finally! But the fuel system area is where I'm least knowledgeable so my questions are: With my setup should i go for the Greddy 550c or 660c? Once i get those fuel injectors am I gonna need anything else? like a fuel rail, etc..

And as for the fuel pump i keep seeing the Walbro 190 and 225s as good buys but i was also looking at buying either the Walbro 190lph Fuel Pump or the Venom Fuel Pump as they are about the same price (walbro is at 120 and Venom is at 180). So which would be better for my setup?

Well thats it for now i can't wait to post my before/after pictures of my car. Thanks

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

Ok guys im getting to the point with my setup that I'm heading into "uncharted" territory for my knowledge on the car. Ok with my current setup I know I'm gonna need the following items: Fuel Injectors, Fuel Pump, Boost Controller and a Fuel Management System.

I'm gonna for for the E-Manage and Profec B Spec 2 Boost Controller, so thats out the way. But heres where i need a bit of help.

My car is a daily driver so after these mods and then the tuning im pretty much done finally! But the fuel system area is where I'm least knowledgeable so my questions are: With my setup should i go for the Greddy 550c or 660c? Once i get those fuel injectors am I gonna need anything else? like a fuel rail, etc..

And as for the fuel pump i keep seeing the Walbro 190 and 225s as good buys but i was also looking at buying either the Walbro 190lph Fuel Pump or the Venom Fuel Pump as they are about the same price (walbro is at 120 and Venom is at 180). So which would be better for my setup?

Well thats it for now i can't wait to post my before/after pictures of my car. Thanks

Walbros are 100 bucks check around. they are much cheaper and they are a proven platform. What turbo are you running. It is a waste to just go up to 550c, fully go up to 650cc.

 

[dedlewamp]

I'd go for the Walbro, they are proven and can be found pretty cheap. As for Venom, I personally wouldn't buy anything Venom, but that's just me.

 

[mitsu29]

yeah I'm going to go for the Walbro as my friend also said the same thing. im gonna go for the 190. Also im running the Greddy TDO5H/18g Turbo. Also i have another question regarding cleaning my pipes. My previous turbo was leaking so that got my stock intercooler all dirty thus getting the whole exhaust system dirty. My question is whats the best thing to use to clean out the pipes and the intercooler? I have a couple bottles of simple green will that work? Also you think that my exhaust system is dirty to the point of having to buy a new one or should i just run it and see if the smoke stops? i think its from the IC or the downpipe so I'll try swappping those but i really hope its not my exhaust system

 

[gridlyne]

yeah I'm going to go for the Walbro as my friend also said the same thing. im gonna go for the 190. Also im running the Greddy TDO5H/18g Turbo. Also i have another question regarding cleaning my pipes. My previous turbo was leaking so that got my stock intercooler all dirty thus getting the whole exhaust system dirty. My question is whats the best thing to use to clean out the pipes and the intercooler? I have a couple bottles of simple green will that work? Also you think that my exhaust system is dirty to the point of having to buy a new one or should i just run it and see if the smoke stops? i think its from the IC or the downpipe so I'll try swappping those but i really hope its not my exhaust system

I would clean the intercooler and all the IC piping with simple green and water. THEN clean it out with Gasoline and let it dry over night just to be safe. The rest of the exhaust you can use whatever cleaner you want to clean since it leads to the atmosphere.

 

[mitsu29]

Ok cool, the IC pipes are brand new as I just put those on yesterday, so no worries there. So I'll just clean out the IC and the exhaust pipes with simple green and gasoline.

They also mentioned to me that, since my car was just sitting then I would need to run it anyways so I'll let you guys know the results and thanks for the great feedback. I've been learning this as I go and only have one friend thats into the scene so, this is really the only other place i can get some tips on. Greatly appreciated

 

[mitsu29]

Another quick question: Do the Greddy Fuel Injectors(660) fit in the factory fuel rail? Meaning are they just straight bolt on? Plug and play? Are the greddy injectors a good brand/quality?

 

[ericbev]

First off, I would stay away from the Spec 2 controller. Mine has always been goofy as well as my friends. I have read a few people on here complaining about it as well. If you are dead set on an electronic controller get the Profec B Type S or possibly the Blitz SBC.

Any specific reasons why you want to run e-manage?

Like everyone else said get a Walbro. The 190lph will suit you just fine with that turbo and you wont have to purchase an AFPR which is a plus.

I wouldnt get an injector smaller than 650ccs for that particular setup. Are you on a greddy mission or something? I would stick with a set of FIC or RC units. They are a ton cheaper and will do the same job.

 

[mitsu29]

Not really on Greddy mission but since i had already got most of my stuff from greddy, at a pretty good discount (gotta love uncles in the auto scene) i just decided to get most of it greddy is all. Plus, their kits are pretty easy to install and they come with all the neccessary hardware.

On the Emanage thing, i was also looking into DSMlink but i need to do more research on that. As i said im at the point where im in undiscovered waters, for me at least, which is why im asking all these questions Also i was told i would need some kind of fuel management system so, naturally i was going with the Emanage. What about the Apexi SAFCU? i hear thats a good product.

Well thanks for the further feedback and of course more is always welcomed

 

[ericbev]

You sure cant argue with discounts. Did you purchase their 18G kit?

I know it may be considered one of our websites recent cliches, but if you have the money, get DSM-Link and dont look back. Since your car is a 95 car, there is a 99% chance you already have the required ECU which already saves you a ton of money. As you do more research you will find that it really is the best non-standalone tuning/logging device available for our cars.

 

[mitsu29]

Ok so DSMLink is a Fuel Management system right? As i said i need to do the research on this thing can you send me a link for DSMLink? What exactly does it do? I was just gonna get the EManage and take it to my shop guy to get the car tuned then i would hopefull be done with that

 

[ericbev]

http://www.dsmlink.com/

 

[mitsu29]

Ok heres an update: I cleaned the pipes and whatnot and the car is running AWESOME. I did have to get new O2 Sensors to pass smog as thats what a friend said i had to do, something about the fuel having too much oxygen or vice versa??!! i dont know i just bought new ones and it passed and runs much smoother it seems? Can O2 Sensors do that? Make your car run smoother?

Anyways i been reading up on the DSMLink and the one thing i m afraid of is, are there any shops in my area that knows how to tune with that??I live in the Southern California Area, Lancaster to be exact. Like i said im new to this part of my car, the whole tuning thing has me baffled but the fun part is learning. I know a shop that uses the E-Manage which is why i was initially going with that but it seems from what ive read that the DSMLink can do much more??

Is the E-Manage a piggyback type where as the DSMLink is a 'standalone'. Again im new to this area so im not sure on those differences

 

[larsrya8]

DSMLink is easy enough for you to tune on your own. If you have questions or problems, you can post a log on the DSMLink forums and they'll help you sort it out. The customer support for DSMLink is far better than anything I would expect you to receive from Greddy. The product has "DSM" in the name, so they will be far better qualified to answer DSM-specific questions than Greddy will.

DSMLink also "empowers" you so you aren't dependent on your tuning shop if you want to change your setup.

And you don't need to have it dyno tuned. Find a place where you can safely (and discretely) go 90 MPH and tune using your 70-90 times.

 

[mitsu29]

Sweet sounds like thats the way to go, ill do further research, it seems more fun to tune my car on my own and like you said, not have to rely on a shop

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Most any shop that does EFI tunning should be able to dial in DSMLink for you. Again, this is another site cliche, but you'll be much more satisfied with the Walbro 255 and an AFPR (I reccomend the AEM kit from dejon). The 190 will get the job done, but will be at its limits doing so

 

[daren_p]

Defently go DSMLink you won't be dissappointed. It is very easy to use, even for the first time tuner. You shouldn't have any issues tunning the car yourself. Add a wideband O2 sensor, that can be logged with DSMLink and you will be able to tune your car on the street as well as they can at the dyno, if not better since you will be tunning it in "real world" conditions. As for the injectors, if you want to stick with Greddy (Denso) go with their 720cc injectors. DSMLink can make any injector run like stock (which a piggy back system can't) so go big so you don't have to upgrade the injectors down the road again. Another good injector that alot of guys run, myself included is FIC, they offer 750, 850, etc. They still will probably be cheeper then the Greddy ones, even with your discount. For the fuel pump do you plan on upgrading the turbo in the future? The Walbro 190 will be fine for the 18g since their good for about 400 whp, if you do plan to go with a larger turbo you may want to pick up the 255 pump. Just remember with the 255 pump you will need a FPR (such as Aeromotive) to prevent the over run return condition you will get with a stock FPR. A warning though, the Walbro pumps can be fairly noisy. It seems to be random as to how loud they are. If you want a pump that is quiet & flow alot get the Denso supra pump, its much more expensive but is quiet & extremely reliable but being it flows more then the 255 it too needs an aftermarket FPR.

 

[mitsu29]

ok as of right now im going to stick with the 18g, as im really happy with so i guess the walbro 190 is the way for me to go as i really dont want to purchase a FPR, the noise really wont bother me, ill be either listening to the turbo or my music .

Also for Boost Controllers is the Profec B spec2 good? ive hear they are really good but also my friend got the Apexi one. any suggestions?

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Both are pretty expensive, but if I had the cash, I'd go AVC from Apex'i

 

[daren_p]

There seems to be alot of posts with guys having issues with the Profec B specII. I think more often then not the issues is they don't bother to read the manuel and how to tune it properly, then say its junk. If you take the time to do this it should work great for you. If your looking for a simple boost controller, Id defently recommend the Profec Type S. This is what I run & it works great. Only has 3 knobs, a low boost, a high boost and a gain knob.

 

[mitsu29]

Cool thanks for all the info guys, now its time to put some research time, i ve just downloaded the DSMLink Manual to get a feel for it as well as the E-Manage(got to see both sides also i will be going with a Walbro 190L Fuel Pump as well as 720cc Fuel Injectors. As for the boost controller i m still at a standstill between the Profec B Spec 2 and the Apexi(its the silver one with the bluescreen??not sure the model)

Ill keep you guys updated

 

[ericbev]

There seems to be alot of posts with guys having issues with the Profec B specII. I think more often then not the issues is they don't bother to read the manuel and how to tune it properly, then say its junk. If you take the time to do this it should work great for you. If your looking for a simple boost controller, Id defently recommend the Profec Type S. This is what I run & it works great. Only has 3 knobs, a low boost, a high boost and a gain knob.

The only real problem that I have had with my specII is that its possessed by the devil. It worked great for about a week then it started going into warning mode at completely random times, all the time. The LCD is also getting goofy too. It gains more of its own personality every time I turn it on.

I have had no problems with any other of greddys products, but this thing has been nothing but trouble. The other members complaints just reinforce how I feel about it.

You know how greddys customer service is Darren, so i wont go there.

To mitsu29, the AVC-R (Apexi electronic boost controller) has alot of nice features, but is another 100 dollars than the greddy type-s. When I replace mine, it will be the Blitz Dual SBC type-s. Just food for thought.

 

[underradar92]

On the fuel pump front, if you can find someone dumping a 3000/stealth tt pump, grab it. According to RRE's website http://www.roadraceengineering.com/fuelpumptechtip.htm, it outflows a 190 and doesn't require an afpr.

 

[JayRolla]

You can find a supra fuel pump on ebay for around 150-200. Just make sure its oem denso and has the right part#. They are wisper quiet and run 290lp at 43psi and 14v.

 

[daren_p]

You know how greddys customer service is Darren, so i wont go there.

Yes all to well, thats why I won't be buying anymore Greddy products in the future.