i think i got everything i need for 11's....

[clipise]

i got a 91' talon tsi awd A/T. my goal is to hit 11's. i think i have everything i need for my goal...what do u think?

engine- balance shafts removed, arp head studs,arp main studs, arp rod studs and mitsu multi layer head gasket, wiseco Pistons 8.3:1, eagle rods, prothane motor mounts

turbo- TO4E super 50 trim, tial 38mm waste gate, ams mbc

intake- SBR 1g Race front mount, 3'' intake w/ K&N filter, GM MASS w/ MAFT

exhaust- 2G ported manifold, dejon turbo back

fuel- 625cc injectors, SAFC 2, Supra TT fuel pump

trans- IPT torque converter, shift kit, end clutches

i also got boost, a/f gauge....


i think thats everything i need....what boost do u think i should be able to run on pump gas w/ a good tune?

im also looking into a AFPR and i think i might switch fuel pumps from the supra to the walbro 255hp.

anything i missed for my goal?

 

[xcelr8n]

Another 100hp!

 

[dsm-onster]

i got a 91' talon tsi awd A/T. my goal is to hit 11's. i think i have everything i need for my goal...what do u think?

engine- balance shafts removed, arp head studs,arp main studs, arp rod studs and mitsu multi layer head gasket, wiseco Pistons 8.3:1, eagle rods, prothane motor mounts

turbo- TO4E super 50 trim, tial 38mm waste gate, ams mbc

intake- SBR 1g Race front mount, 3'' intake w/ K&N filter, GM MASS w/ MAFT

exhaust- 2G ported manifold, dejon turbo back

fuel- 625cc injectors, SAFC 2, Supra TT fuel pump

trans- IPT torque converter, shift kit, end clutches

i also got boost, a/f gauge....


i think thats everything i need....what boost do u think i should be able to run on pump gas w/ a good tune?

im also looking into a AFPR and i think i might switch fuel pumps from the supra to the walbro 255hp.

anything i missed for my goal?

Well, with an auto, you'r driving style won't have as much of a factor, i'd say. A good tune is your best bet, now. Look at getting a wideband for this and put your A/F guage to good use. Also, you may want to consider DSMLink as you'll be running sume pretty high timing on a safc/maft combo w/ 625cc injectors. High timing is good but so is a set up running 11.5:1 a/f ratios. You have 1g and your timing is going to be really high for 8.3 pistons...It's not that I think it couldn't be tuned well now. But DSMLink could save alot of headaches (or at least a chip for your 625 cc injectors) and has a great logger that will alow you to input wbo2 and other inputs. Either way, I say get a wbo2 regardless and someway to log it.


You'll need to run 20+ psi. If your intercooler is not cutting it look at a good inexpensive water injection kit or fab your own. A set of cams would have been a little more insurance to meet your goal...

 

[Turbocharged]

You need more power. A full weight 5 speed with those mods will have trouble getting into the 11's.

 

[Slippi84]

These guys are crazy you have the ability to build boost at the line and you have consistant launches and runs so tuning will be easier cause your takin away an entire factor. I didn't see what you were tuning with but if I were you I would go get dsmlink and you should be well into the 11's. I had a friend with a stock bottom end and supporting mods(cams smims ect) make 500awhp on race and run 11.0 so even if you don't make crazy numhbers like that 425 will get you into the 11's.

 

[dsm-onster]

These guys are crazy

WTF did I say that was so crazy? All that he mentioned with a bad tune either turns everything into pile of sh!t or yields bad times. What's so hard to understand here...

and you have consistant launches and runs so tuning will be easier cause your takin away an entire factor.

Great so let me go out and get a Shep auto tranny right now.

I didn't see what you were tuning with but if I were you I would go get dsmlink and you should be well into the 11's.

I did see what he was tuning with. and i said he may want to get dsmlink. to save headaches tuning his car. Not everyone is as good a tuner as you. . . and being able to dial in deadtimes and not getting hella high timing because of injector compensation makes the path easier for the ameture or even the professional. No offense at all but, hell, you have a key diver chip!

I had a friend with a stock bottom end and supporting mods(cams smims ect) make 500awhp on race and run 11.0 so even if you don't make crazy numhbers like that 425 will get you into the 11's.

What turbo was he running? That would be a good way to show the poster his potential... What cams, what smim, what tuning tool, what injectors?

I'm really not trying to flame you just defend my post.

 

[slugsgomoo]

It's possible, but the injectors seem small, unless you're going to run C16- I'd run 720's on a fifty trim, personally.

Cams, like the FP2 or HKS 272 would be a good choice, as would a SMIM. Other than that, there are a lot of fifty trim cars in various parts of the 11's, so it's definitely possible.

 

[Slippi84]

WTF did I say that was so crazy? All that he mentioned with a bad tune either turns everything into pile of sh!t or yields bad times. What's so hard to understand here...



Great so let me go out and get a Shep auto tranny right now.



I did see what he was tuning with. and i said he may want to get dsmlink. to save headaches tuning his car. Not everyone is as good a tuner as you. . . and being able to dial in deadtimes and not getting hella high timing because of injector compensation makes the path easier for the ameture or even the professional. No offense at all but, hell, you have a key diver chip!



What turbo was he running? That would be a good way to show the poster his potential... What cams, what smim, what tuning tool, what injectors?

I'm really not trying to flame you just defend my post.

First and formost you didn't have to defend your post that wasn't even for you. That was for the other guys that just came out and said more power??? What does more power tell the guy. Your post was fine hell we said the same things I don't knwo why you would even assume that was for you but anyway to DEFEND MY POST.

My friend had a pte t3/t4 50 trim turbo with like a .83ar which of course will flow better than a bolt on or anything like that but it's still a 50 trim. He had 272's and actually either a magnus or a dejon tool smim i don't remember which one I will ask and find out but that's pretty much the basics and he had 650 injectors too.

 

[dsm-onster]

First and formost you didn't have to defend your post that wasn't even for you. That was for the other guys that just came out and said more power??? What does more power tell the guy. Your post was fine hell we said the same things I don't knwo why you would even assume that was for you but anyway to DEFEND MY POST.

My friend had a pte t3/t4 50 trim turbo with like a .83ar which of course will flow better than a bolt on or anything like that but it's still a 50 trim. He had 272's and actually either a magnus or a dejon tool smim i don't remember which one I will ask and find out but that's pretty much the basics and he had 650 injectors too.

Ok, ok. No issues here. I really, tuely thought you meant everyone. And I apologize for that... No hard feelings. I have 650s too. Sometimes I wonder if I have enough now that I have my 60-1, but I guess I'll have to get off my a$$ and get out in the cold and install it to find out... Is your friend running a 7 bolt or 6 bolt? i would love to get more info, if you can squeeze it from him... what was his peak lbs/min and what boost was he running?

...Oh, this is good for the original poster to know too . Will let him know just what his turbo is capable of so he can get a benchmark for attempting 11.XX sec 1320s

 

[Slippi84]

Well I know he was tuning with EMS which played a big part in it and the other stuff I already stated beofore but if you want a whole run down you can ask him personaly his name on here is like elevensecondgsx he lives in Toms RIver his name is ED he's cool as hell he's actually helping me finish up my project/dd . Yeah you def want to upgrade to 750's with a 60-1 because you won't see the potential of that urbo till 25+ psi and that kinda air and power def takes a descent amount of fuel. Your 650's will be well over 90 idc with that turbo.

 

[clipise]

These guys are crazy you have the ability to build boost at the line and you have consistant launches and runs so tuning will be easier cause your takin away an entire factor. I didn't see what you were tuning with but if I were you I would go get dsmlink and you should be well into the 11's. I had a friend with a stock bottom end and supporting mods(cams smims ect) make 500awhp on race and run 11.0 so even if you don't make crazy numhbers like that 425 will get you into the 11's.

yea, alot of people underestimate auto. and i got IPT torque converter on the along w/ shift kit and end clutches, so im pretty confident in my trans.

 

[clipise]

Another 100hp!

i havent even dynoed or tuned my car yet, how u going to tell me another 100hp?

 

[clipise]

Well, with an auto, you'r driving style won't have as much of a factor, i'd say. A good tune is your best bet, now. Look at getting a wideband for this and put your A/F guage to good use. Also, you may want to consider DSMLink as you'll be running sume pretty high timing on a safc/maft combo w/ 625cc injectors. High timing is good but so is a set up running 11.5:1 a/f ratios. You have 1g and your timing is going to be really high for 8.3 pistons...It's not that I think it couldn't be tuned well now. But DSMLink could save alot of headaches (or at least a chip for your 625 cc injectors) and has a great logger that will alow you to input wbo2 and other inputs. Either way, I say get a wbo2 regardless and someway to log it.


You'll need to run 20+ psi. If your intercooler is not cutting it look at a good inexpensive water injection kit or fab your own. A set of cams would have been a little more insurance to meet your goal...

so is my injectors too small or are they good to go? im plaining on in the future to upgrade but i started to hear some bad stuff about the supra tt pump. should i just switch to walbro 255hp? im going to get wideband real soon, too.

 

[dsm-onster]

so is my injectors too small or are they good to go? im plaining on in the future to upgrade but i started to hear some bad stuff about the supra tt pump. should i just switch to walbro 255hp? im going to get wideband real soon, too.

Well according to DSM_Tuning_Sheet_v2.1:

625cc injectors at 90% duty cycle and 11.5 air/fuel ratio (good tune):

Base Fuel Pressure...37......|...43......|...50......
Max Horsepower.......416.67|...449.18|...484.37 (crank horsepower)

Which horsepower number will get you in the 11s? If you think you can get to the 11s with one of those CRANK horsepower numbers, then all you need is mayby an AFPR unless you already have one.

Your 50 trim can flow 49 lbs/min: 49 lbs/min X 10.5 = 515 crank horsepower (approx.)

Your turbo can out-flow your injectors support. But, this is inconsequential, if you think you can get to the 11s with 415-485 crank horsepower.

Since you're getting a wideband, I would use that to determine if your pump is up to snuff before forking out the bones for a walbro. It could save you $100, because supra pumps have gotten guys to the 400+ horsepower relm often.

 

[sweet97]

How about cams/smim? Sounds like with tuning I have a 10 sec car! Mark!

 

[dsm-onster]

How about cams/smim? Sounds like with tuning I have a 10 sec car! Mark!

Ha! maybe so. To me there's a big, big difference between 11.999 and 11.009. We're all bench racing now . Have you dynoed your most recent setup? I'd be interested in knowing what you're putting down with the Holset. Sometimes I feel like I should have gotten a Holset. Butt cheap for the performance and reliability!!!

 

[Stapl3]

This is bench racing. Noone here can tell you. Put it together and find out at the track.

 

[sweet97]

The whole thread is bench racing. I was being humorously sarcastic! In May I expect to have it on a dyno just to have a number. Much of the work was done this winter while the car is in storage as it will be until April. Mark

 

[dsm-onster]

The whole thread is bench racing. I was being humorously sarcastic! In May I expect to have it on a dyno just to have a number. Much of the work was done this winter while the car is in storage as it will be until April. Mark

Yea, i know. I really am looking forward to your report on your setup. In fact, I can't wait until this season starts. I want to look at everyones results for the winter build...

 

[clipise]

This is bench racing. Noone here can tell you. Put it together and find out at the track.

how am i bench racing? im asking if i got the supporting to make it to 11's, and if i dont tell me what im missing. im not saying" heres my mods, tell me what im going to run." its not my fault other ppl are hijacking my thread.

to those who helped out and gave me info, thank you.

 

[dsm-onster]

im asking if i got the supporting to make it to 11's, and if i dont tell me what im missing.

" heres my mods, tell me what im going to run."

To me, one is a little more specific question of another.............................