FMIC first?

[midnght]

Is it smart to just go straight to a FMIC with stock turbo and such instead of putting out money twice for a UIP and then eventually switching to a FMIC?

I know it has prob. been asked a gillion times, but I couldn't find it.
I am on this site everyday for the past month trying to learn before I eventually buy. I have 20 grand and no CAR!!

Thanks for your time,

Chad

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[StarCraftLover]

No dont. I already asked this question.

There will be lag, for some odd reason.

Just go for BPU's. Then up the turbo, and then a FMIC.

 

[Black95GSX]

FMIC + T25 = Slower then stock


The stock turbo cannot efficently use a FMIC -- hell, it barely works stock

 

[midnght]

Thanks for your help!

 

[TurboSpoolinIns]

but it also depends, how big a turbo are you gonna upgrade to? If you're going decently big, you'll be slower than stock also, so you might wanna get the fmic first... OR just get em both and put em both on at the same time.

 

[midnght]

So basically if I am ready for a FMIC I should also be ready for a bigger Turbo say L1R or so...?

 

[BoostinAWD]

When you get far enough into the modding process to need a bigger turbo to go faster then go buy a bigger turbo and a fmic to go with it.

Hold off on a fmic until then. You need fuel, exhaust, injectors, safc, etc.. The list goes on...

 

[larryd]

follow this like a bible

http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/

 

[D-Money]

Originally posted by larryd
follow this like a bible

http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/

:laugh:

 

[roadtalontsi]

i know im far from this day, but what about running an upgraded side ic and a fmic. Would this cause turbo lag even with a big turbo?
-rem

 

[mdre21]

instead of a big fmic that will create lag because you put more space between the turbo and the intake manifold, put on a air to liquid intercooler, they are smaller, create a shorter distance between turbo and intake manifold, and are much more efficient and effective. Almost impossible for it to become heat soaked. My friend has one on his MR2 and is running a 20g and on his Power FC the intake temp. remains within 1 or 2 degrees from when you turn the car on no matter how hard you get on it.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I ran my stock T25 and some bolt-ons for about 5k miles with the APEX'i FMIC. Although I had a ported mani, o2, 2.5" dp, 3" cat, and 3" cat-back, I still noticed no real loss in spool...MAYBE 200 RPM. I had a Brode UICP, however, and with the APEX kit you need to already have a UICP as the FMIC piping kit does not include it. If you want to do it, I doubt it will hurt you much at all, and that's just from experience.

Tom

 

[CL MaNTis GST]

if you have $20k... then u dont need to worry about a FMIC being good enough for the T25 cause u can easily afford a car + a bigger turbo!

just a thought.

 

[asian312]

I followed a different approach than the bible Yes it's true not to sway from the proven method and I agree 100%, but I did my set up backwards. I feel if u do ALL the research (levels will vary depending on individual, but run it by the forums) that collecting all the necessary supporting mods first and then the turbo will yield a very potent machine and yet be cost effective. If your ready for a FMIC your probably about ready to get a turbo or it's already time. I couldn't pass up an offer in my case, so I have an Apex'i FMIC setup w/ upper and lower pipes. I really don't feel much lag or psi drop as I can still push the 14-18 psi range (yes I can do 20-22 psi range) w/ the T-2-5mall. and I can still keep up with the other's on my team following the bible

 

[DSMNightmare]

I added the Apexi FMIC and a 2.5" DP and Cat at the same time and shaved almost a second off my 1/4 mile time with the T25. Its labor intensive but not necessarily worth paying anyone to do. I did mine myself and it worked fine.

 

[GSX_RCR]

Here's a good way to think your "next" mods. Look at your current setup and ask yourself "What's the bottleneck?"

If you have a STOCK 2G, then the BOV needs to go first if you want to boost anywhere above 10psi. Second, I would move on to the intake side, replace with a K/N. Afterwards, move on to the exhaust, downpipe/catback. etc etc...

The SMIC works well enough with the stock turbo. It's not a bottleneck until your intake charge temps are exceeding the capabilities of the IC.

Baby steps guys...

 

[DSMNightmare]

Yeah the intercooler is a big investment if your not 100% sure your going to a bigger turbo. If you really are set on changing the intercooler I would go with a supra side or frount core. that way its still cheap. A couple guys have hit high to low 13s with the T25 using either a supra side mount or a Apexi FMIC.

 

[zerofreez]

what about useing that hahn racecraft side mount intercooler that is about 2 times as big as the stock one???

I have pretty much everything stock except for an intake but i just smashed up my front right fendor and the intercooler is dead. Since insurance is payin for my car and the bodyshop says i need a new factory intercooler (650 bucks).

So... i was just gonna buy the bigger sidemount for 600. Good idea... or will i loose performance. I believe that this sidemount is smaller than the supra one.

 

[Nick 4g63]

600 for an upgraded sidemount thats smaller than the supra?
personally id get the supra one (150 and a little fabrication). just makes a bit more sense to me.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Dude do the supra MKIII front mount. Its a lot easier for about the same price.

 

[GreenDragon_Gst]

I installed a fmic because I'm first trying to get rid of all the restrictions first before I upgrade the turbo, in a sense maximizing the use of the turbo(though I know it's a pos ). the benefit of the front mount for me was to improve the top end. I actually noticed the power not falling off as quickly as with the smic. Usually around 5k the turbo would jus die a nasty death and give me nothing at all. But, with the front mount, it seemed that the power would hold up to atleast 6k... though this doesn't seem like a tremendous difference, every bit of power counts. I myself am trying to get all of the supporting mods first so as to fully reap the benefits of the turbo upgrade. as far as the lag difference, it's barely noticeable, like 100-200 rpm. when boost is engaged, however, u WILL feel the difference...