sbr heads vs ffwd heads??

[highintenzity4]

Which would you guys recommend or have better skills in builiding heads?

 

[gixrman]

http://www.jacksonautomachine.com/html/shopping/list_section.cfm?sectionId=26

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

Which would you guys recommend or have better skills in builiding heads?

I would recommend going with FFWD. I love my Level III.V head. Build quality/expertise at FFWD is second to none.

Chris

 

[sickgsx-316]

Given the two choices I'd rather go with the shop that solely concentrates on building ground pounding motors with crazy high flowing heads for DSMs rather than one that does a little bit of everything for a few different cars.

 

[ISUJakey]

Given the two choices I'd rather go with the shop that solely concentrates on building ground pounding motors with crazy high flowing heads for DSMs rather than one that does a little bit of everything for a few different cars.

I second.

 

[oldman]

Any feedback on Jacksons? vs. FFWD?

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

Comparing FFWD to SBR is easy, but comparing them to a shop like Jackson or Magnus is different.

I think you would be equally happy going through Jackson, Magnus, or FFWD. Probably just depends on your own personal preferences. I liked the stuff FFWD does with Cryo treating, and that is probably what kept me from buying a Magnus longblock, which would have ended up being about the same cost. FFWD is very knowledgable, and the customer service at that shop is amazing, but I'm sure Magnus and Jackson are the same way.


Chris

 

[evolvingGS-t]

I've enjoyed getting some of my work done at SBR. Everything was done timely, clean and perfect. I like the fact that each time they have been true to their word.

 

[greathuskie]

you guys are forgetting about FRH

 

[oldman]

I think you would be equally happy going through Jackson, Magnus, or FFWD.

I have not spoken to Magnus but I have spoken to both Jacksons and FFDW and both seem very knowlegable and friendly. I think the difference is going to be in the port job. I'm leaning towards FFWD right now because of the Cryo treatment they offer as well. Hopefully a decision will be reached this weekend but either way, it's going to cost. Thanks for the reply.

 

[rdrkt]

I'm leaning towards FFWD right now because of the Cryo treatment they offer as well.

What in the world would you want to cryo?

On another note. For quite awhile FFWD was contracting all their motor work out to BJs.
I wouldn’t use JAM just out of principle although I'm sure they can port a head without screwing anything up.

 

[oldman]

What in the world would you want to cryo?

Please educate me, my hands on engine experience only goes as far as timing belt and lifters.

On another note. For quite awhile FFWD was contracting all their motor work out to BJs.

Didn't know that, I thought I read on vendorreview .com that BJ had dissappeared?

I wouldn’t use JAM just out of principle although I'm sure they can port a head without screwing anything up.

Who else would you recommend?

Thanks.

 

[highintenzity4]

Buschur has a stage 3 head that looks really nice. Hey is there such think as buying a head that flows too much for your setup? It says for over 700whp but can it still be beneficial for around 500hp? Or should I go with there stage 2?

 

[rdrkt]

Please educate me, my hands on engine experience only goes as far as timing belt and lifters.

Cryo treating is expensive and not worth it IMO

 

[oldman]

Cryo treating is expensive and not worth it IMO

You're right, it's too expensive by itself. I think since FFWD does it in house, they are using it as an add on incentive for buying their heads. With similiar components and level of porting, FFWD was still about $300 cheaper than JAM with the Cryo treatment.

 

[highintenzity4]

does anyone have any comments about slowboy racings port work? Im thinking of going with their stage 4 setup.. Either that or the buschur stage 3...

 

[rdrkt]

My point is I have no idea why you would want to treat anything in the head. Ive never had a head component fail personally and most of the failures I have seen is a valve spring issue.

 

[oldman]

My point is I have no idea why you would want to treat anything in the head. Ive never had a head component fail personally and most of the failures I have seen is a valve spring issue.

Agreed, but FFWD does not make it a choice. Every head they build goes through the treatment including a $650 stock rebuilt head.

 

[gixrman]

My point is I have no idea why you would want to treat anything in the head. Ive never had a head component fail personally and most of the failures I have seen is a valve spring issue.

The only argument for cryo-treating the head would be to help strenghten it agianst warpage under extremelly high boost. But like you stated I don't see any real world advantage for this.

Also JAM CNC ports there heads which means you now have uniformed matching ports that should flow the same across the board.
pic. of 2g port job.
http://www.jacksonautomachine.com/html/testing/index.html

But they don't offer any flow #s which if I was trying to sell something like this I would have some sort of data stating so.

 

[Slowboy]

Sorry to hi-jack the thread guys, but here at SBR Inc. we added over 6500 SQ ft. of machine shop space in Novembver of 2004.

Some of the new equipment in our head shop includes a SERDI 3.0, RMC surface milling machine, RMC SW4 and SW5 (cleaning equipment), Kwik-way SVS II valve refacer, Peterson assembly bench, Peterson blast cabinet, Sunnen guide sizing workstation, and SF 600 flow bench. All of these products bought new in late 2004 at the PRI show in Indy, with a cost of over 100k. Keep in mind, this is just our head equipment!

If you are looking for some good advice, or tech help on any DSM head work, call the shop and we will make sure you get on the phone with someone who can be as technical as you want.

We built over 100 shortblocks, and over 85 heads in 2004. In 2005 we have almost reached those #'s to date. Anyone who would like to check us out, feel free to call and I will gladly arange a tour personally.

I added a really quick link, so you could see a few pics!

SBR shop side

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[rdrkt]

Also JAM CNC ports there heads which means you now have uniformed matching ports that should flow the same across the board.

They still have to hand port the head when they get serious.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Also JAM CNC ports there heads which means you now have uniformed matching ports that should flow the same across the board.
.

I think CNC machining the heads goes without saying. Which places don't CNC the heads, at least at first.

 

[gixrman]

Sorry to hi-jack the thread guys, but here at SBR Inc. we added over 6500 SQ ft. of machine shop space in Novembver of 2004.

Some of the new equipment in our head shop includes a SERDI 3.0, RMC surface milling machine, RMC SW4 and SW5 (cleaning equipment), Kwik-way SVS II valve refacer, Peterson assembly bench, Peterson blast cabinet, Sunnen guide sizing workstation, and SF 600 flow bench. All of these products bought new in late 2004 at the PRI show in Indy, with a cost of over 100k. Keep in mind, this is just our head equipment!

If you are looking for some good advice, or tech help on any DSM head work, call the shop and we will make sure you get on the phone with someone who can be as technical as you want.

We built over 100 shortblocks, and over 85 heads in 2004. In 2005 we have almost reached those #'s to date. Anyone who would like to check us out, feel free to call and I will gladly arange a tour personally.

I added a really quick link, so you could see a few pics!

SBR shop side

Regards

Mike Huml

Are you adopting anyone? I'll work for PB&J sandwich's!!

 

[gixrman]

They still have to hand port the head when they get serious.

I'm sure they do, and at what point do you really need to go beyond a port match and clean up of casting spots in the ports on a head? And since your making 500+hp i guess your the one I should be asking at what point did you feel more airflow was needed because the stock head was restrictive.

 

[shleppy]

I have the slowboy stage four head-I'm very happy with it-the port work was like artwork and 7000 miles later I have no compaints/issues.